US Military has Doubts about Syria Strike (will they refuse strike orders?)

If I had to predict, I'd say Obama will back down, claim it's due to sequestration and blame the GOP.

The military will always have doubts, but to disobey the CnC's orders is a big deal.

A big ####ing deal!
(-Joe Biden)

Originally posted by thesaneone
As I put more thought into it the United States of America will not throw the United States of America under the bus.

Going to war with Syria would be throwing America under the Bus. The Joint Chiefs taking Obama out behind the woodshed and swatting his butt ... that wouldn't be throwing the US under the bus. IMHO it would be the grown ups schooling the little boy from Chicago on what exactly the US military is there for. It's not his play toy.

I guess Obama joins the ranks as a war monger now. The guy is hell bent on starting wars for the bankers.

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
that article named very few names and was very vague as to how many officers are considering disobeying.

I hear you ... but ...

- The article didn't say that they were considering disobeying. It says that the have doubts and that Syria doesn't make sense. For a Joint Chief to say that publicly .. for the big brass to say that publicly ... that's a big deal. They are openly stating that they do not go along with the Commander in Chief or his decisions. That's really big.

- If the Joint Chiefs and other big brass are openly stating this, then you know that many others are thinking the same thing. And considering the latest polls of Americans ... the vast majority NOT supporting Obama in this ... it's pretty safe to say that the majority of the big brass don't either.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking ... but I'd really like to see those Joint Chiefs and Big Brass school Obama and tell him 'no'. They could do that if they all did it together. Like I said, he couldn't come out of the meeting stating that he had just fired 20 of his top brass. He's look silly. He'd come out and say that he changed his own mind after hearing all the information .. something like that. He'd spin it.

Yes .. wishful thinking ... but perhaps it could happen .... (** hope , hope , hope ** )

Originally posted by beezzer

(-Joe Biden)

Can kiss my smooth tan behind.

*Did I just type that?

Originally posted by beezzer
If I had to predict, I'd say Obama will back down, claim it's due to sequestration and blame the GOP.

I hope to goodness he does back down. America is not behind him. The military is not behind him. Our allies are not behind him. When the news says he's going it alone, he pretty much is. (well... he has Jarrett and McCain and Kerry :shk: )

The military will always have doubts, but to disobey the CnC's orders is a big deal.

... and if they did say 'no' ... we would never know.
Obama would cover his backend with a spin story about how he agrees with them.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by beezzer
If I had to predict, I'd say Obama will back down, claim it's due to sequestration and blame the GOP.

I hope to goodness he does back down. America is not behind him. The military is not behind him. Our allies are not behind him. When the news says he's going it alone, he pretty much is. (well... he has Jarrett and McCain and Kerry :shk: )

The military will always have doubts, but to disobey the CnC's orders is a big deal.

... and if they did say 'no' ... we would never know.
Obama would cover his backend with a spin story about how he agrees with them.

I think we should put Mccain back in the fighter pilot role and send him over with Obama as his co-pilot.. Kerry and his sons and daughters should be on the front line right with them..

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This is going to happen, speculations and rumors aside. I have it on extremely good authority - someone who is professionally associated with US military leadership - that the air strikes will take place on Saturday, or Sunday at the latest. Ladies and gentlemen, we will soon see what happens when the U.S. attacks a national government for the actual use of weapons of mass destruction (truthful or not).

reply to post by FlyersFan


I've grown to not get my hopes up for these sorts of things. It almost always leads to disappointment. I'd really like for what you said to happen too, but I'd also like a bank error in my favor of a couple million dollars. Though I don't go around believing it will happen.

edit: typos >.

Originally posted by mahajohn
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

This is going to happen, speculations and rumors aside. I have it on extremely good authority - someone who is professionally associated with US military leadership - that the air strikes will take place on Saturday, or Sunday at the latest. Ladies and gentlemen, we will soon see what happens when the U.S. attacks a national government for the actual use of weapons of mass destruction (truthful or not).

This is exactly what I'm thinking. The inspectors return and then BANG...

I do not think Obama will back down from his red line warning. But I could be wrong.

Actually, for so many lives that could be about to be lost, I do hope I'm wrong. I really do.

Originally posted by mahajohn
I have it on extremely good authority - someone who is professionally associated with US military leadership - that the air strikes will take place on Saturday, or Sunday at the latest.

I hope your sources are wrong. I really do. I read this article and saw that the military wants no part of this Syrian strike ..... and our allies don't ... and the American people don't ..... I really hope the Brass will take Obama to the woodshed ....

I guess we'll find out by Sunday.

Side note .. we have been talking about this for a week. If people think Syria is just sitting there with their fingers up their noses, they are mistaken. I'm sure they have moved anything of value out of the way ...

I think the important question is to figure out who it is (within the extended US government) that is pushing for this attack. I don't believe for a second that Obama is running amok on his own. There are other forces at work here. There are plenty of people in Congress calling for this but they aren't going to make it happen. Something else is at work here. Although I didn't vote for him and have never been a supporter, I'm not naïve to the point of thinking that Obama is that stupid. There are great pains being taken to make this happen and he is clearly aware of the political risks involved. Someone has his jewels in a vice. Who is it?

I just watched that Kerry speech, from what he said,it sounds like they may resupply and train for an attack at a later date.

Just a 'sales pitch" or a primer for another incident to set things on fire.

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The Pres really doesn't have the power to do much of anything, since he doesn't really do anything anyway, even on a good day.

What are the banks and corporations which sprang up around the banks doing?, who produces the materials to wage war, and where are they sending them?.

I'll bet that Snowden feller knows.

Seems to be some confusion on whomever created this story. The military does have concerns. The concerns are however that the strikes are two small scale and will not be effective as any sort of deterrent. Where Obeme wants to fire some cruise missles so no US forces are at risk, the military feels their objectives can not be met by such a limited strike. Obama wants a low risk strike with minimum (symbolic) results and the militay wants a higher level risk strike that will get real results. This is typical as Presidents look at things through a political lens and the military through a purely military one. Some old bubbas of mine very high up at both the Pentagon and CENTCOM have told me they are using the fact the US may act alone to expand the strikes because we would not be burndened by someone elses politcal resraints. Last I heard Obama is not biting but, they are making their case.

I found some background information about possible side effects any Military reaction would bring with it.

i could have posted it in any Syria Thread or create a new one , but the title of this Thread made me abe to post it here.

This is a Link from a Dutch news paper , wich quite frankly was a big eye opener for me that even though Military Instalations who are flagged as targets might contain Civilians.

The point i want to make is although these instalations would be marked as a Military target , there is a big possibility that they housing Prisoners made by assads regime.



www.telegraaf.nl...

Google Translate :

Army Bases loaded with dissidents and citizens'

BEIRUT -
Military bases in Syria are overcrowded with dissidents and soldiers who doubts as to whether they are still loyal to President Bashar al-Assad. Also, in the barracks are mainly citizens held there. Caught That have defected Syrian soldiers and opposition members said.

They would be victim to any United States led the attack on military targets.
Army troops and militias who are loyal to the regime, according to the opposition just transferred to schools and buildings in residential areas in Damascus. They would lurk between citizens hoping to escape the possible attacks.

We must take into account the fact that these installations might contain prisoners ( people who are being held their against their will )

From our standpoint it is easy to just launch Cruise missiles and see them fly off onto the Horizon , not experiencing its destructive force on the side of the reciever.

TheGreazel.

Anyone that refuses the orders of the Commander in Chief should be jailed period.

reply to post by muse7


Yes, and any elected official that fails to represent the people or commits treason should be held to the same standard.

Nevermind.

reply to post by muse7


All military personel have the right to disobey unlawful orders.

Going to war without the approval of Congress is unlawful.

"Limited Engagement" is war. You dont think so? Tell me that when someone tries to do the same if someone lobbed missles on our nation.


I back the military 100 percent on this.