Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

Originally posted by filledcup
oh? so then why is it that a company provides u a service based on the fee u pay? and there are brackets of payment for service.

u take package one u get the bronze package and that cost $5000.

take the silver package and u get BETTER SERVICE but it costs $10000.

take the Gold package and u get even better service with onsite visits but its going to cost $15000.

for $25000 u can get our all inclusive package with 24/7 on-call support.

isnt more money motivating the company to provide a better service? what makes u think it's any different for ppl?

Because people and businesses are different.

Business has a plan. It executes a budget. It doesn't wander into a store and blow a days pay on scratch offs and a bottle of Night Train. Business (done right) is logical, while people are wholly irrational.

The average person wants to get home at the end of the day and have a beer. Meanwhile business keeps on trucking....it doesn't need a beer.

u say one thing and then u do the next. u say it isnt a motivator and then u use it to motivate your business. arent you seeing this point of view?

I see your point of view. But you are wrong. I have actually put what I say into action, and have done so to bail out folks who do it your way. Money is like a drug. You give more, and their resistance increases (i.e., they spend more). Then they want another pay increase, and are no more engaged in what they were doing to begin with. Business leadership 101, really.

Argue it with me if you want....but until you put it into action successfully you are just talking.

show me how u are going to motivate a company to give u the platinum all inclusive service for $5000

it simply will not happen.

edit on 29-8-2013 by filledcup because: (no reason given)

This is akin to The Chewbacca Defense. Your analogy is pure apples and aardvarks.

Originally posted by soulpowertothendegree
reply to post by Beartracker16

 

Good day to start that diet....guess what ...the majority of people without jobs would gladly take their places...I have worked in this industry...it is a low wage for a reason...it doesn't require much in the way of education to flip a burger or salt fries....if you are a manager you are over worked and underpaid too, but the alternative is far worse...standing in the unemployment line or going to try and find another job in the same business that pays the same....better off just doing what you are doing until you have a degree to do something better....degrees are very expensive to achieve though and still no guarantee of better paying jobs, particularly in this economic environment.

i dont eat mcd's, in fact i dont eat anywhere with disgruntled workers.. especially in the food industry. u know why? because u piss off the chef and he'll piss in your ice water and grind cockroaches into seasoning. you want to talk reality.. that's reality.

these companies think theyre saving and making money. but theyre really robbing themseelves as they can do alot better with happy workers. the workers for one with more money to spend would become bigger customers.

noone looks at things this way. smdh

But you didn't answer the question.

Are you getting paid what you think you are worth?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
February 4, 2001 I started in a call center as an agent (AOL Tech Support). I was slated to start nursing school in April. I had just finished putting my wife through nursing school the prior December.

After 2 weeks I was out of training. 2 days later I was the #1 agent in the center. A week later I was #1 in our company (outsourcer, we had 2000 seats across 3 locations). At the end of that week I was promoted to trainer. 3 months later I ran the training department. 5 months later I was put in charge of a new site.

You don't have to be a genius. You just have to show up and try. That is all I did. Im not highly paid, but I have a great job doing what I want for the amount of money that makes me happy.

how many people have to work as the rank and file to allow you to hold a position as #1, then trainer, then manager??

how well would you have been able to do if no-one else was answering the phones??

Yes. I outworked my competition. I actually thought about what I was doing, and made plans to improve.

When I was in high school I did the same thing. "Sure. Take the morning off. No need to workout....your competition will surely take a day off, too.".

Success isn't rocket science. It is simply being smart enough to engage yourself in what you are doing so you can differentiate yourself from those who just don't give a damn.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


business leadership 101? u mean the same business leadership idealism that was forged from the days of slavery?

right.. let me tell u. your point of view is old out-fashioned and outdated traditional viewpoint. and that's why the world is where it is today. u guys want to stick to tradition.. but noone's having it.. not anymore.

uve missed the entire purpose of the business cycle. like i said earlier. pay ppl more and they spend more, and that is the point of a thriving national economy.

if u really want an economy to thrive.. that is what u will do. otherwise, ur going to face these upsets every time the cycle comes around.. and each time it's going to get worse. to the point where everyone is so afraid by spiralling crime, that the military has to be patrolling the streets in tanks and directing traffic with bazookas.

oh look.. that's just what's happening now isnt it.

Screw big business. If they cant handle the raises then let them go out og business.

reply to post by filledcup


Sorry what I said is people want to get paid more money find another job,

Or better yet go start a business of there own.

reply to post by neo96

Oh I am quite sure the franchise operators come out with a little bit more then that. Enough to buy the hummers and corvettes and all that around. And the myth of small business owners mom and pop is exactly that a myth, most of them are franchise operators not small time business owners. In fact most small time mom and pop stores around are owned and operated by foreigners who found niche in the American market, and ya mostly in the food and restaurant business. In fact I have seen more Somali and Muslim or Asian or middle eastern or Greek operated small business around here then any local operated business and those only because they cater to a culture were in there set up.

I think the American mom and pop small business died off long ago in most places, now you only have the myth of them being spreed around, they are minority even in there own country, I could drive around my neighborhood for hours and would not likely find one, in small towns they may exist, but in big metropolitan areas there far and few between as to be myth. Most of the businesses around are corporations or as you said and there called now a days, operators of the business those corporations set up in that neighborhood.

Originally posted by David9176
But you didn't answer the question.

Are you getting paid what you think you are worth?

I don't have to answer the GD question.

My first job paid me $3,25 and hour. It was a lousy job, Did that for a year. Found a better job, Didn't like that one either. So It found another job that paid better.

THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. If people expect the world to get on it's knees to suit the individual's wants.

They are in for a rude awakening.

Sorry if people misunderstood my opinion was ever up for debate.

It is not.

reply to post by neo96


Yeah sure real easy big man.

Are you an angel investor? Oh good then, i have a small business for you to invest in, its an MMA gym. There are few in my area and the ones that exist are not very competitive.

I have a business plan. Let me know when your ready to cut the check.

reply to post by onequestion


Wonder why there are so many people working part time, and are out of work ?

Did the thought ever enter in anyone minds ?

Just once ?

Contrary to the DOGMA in this thread every time people force business to increase their wages because that is what they want. That is not based on the work they performed.

They put millions of other people OUT OF WORK, and on WELFARE programs.

Geezus.

reply to post by neo96


The less people have money to spend on these #ty corporations and their low paying, small business destroying world dominating ways the better.

Lets them fall apart because they are so greedy, let Mcdonalds go out of business because they had to law off so many people that noone could afford to go there anymore.

My guess is the people that go there the most are the ones in the same income bracket were talking about here because they cant afford to eat healthy.

Good, let them be the product of their own demise im all for it.

reply to post by neo96

I don't have to answer the GD question.

I'll just take that as "I don't feel like i am getting paid what I am worth." But you must like it.

If i were your boss, i'd pay you a penny an hour, cuz that's all i think you would be worth. And you would be happy, as you stated, because you were lucky to have a job in this economy...and it's not about what you are worth...it's what i felt you "earned." You would just be happy, that I, the job creator, was willing to pay you anything.

Good day Neo!!

reply to post by neo96


large successful companies can pay their employees more without a problem. there is no need for a national minimum wage mandate ordering them to do so.

all they need is a little bit of human compassion. but they seem devoid of any such things and go to contribute to public charities for publicity. big bunch of fakes.

reply to post by neo96

Contrary to the DOGMA in this thread every time people force business to increase their wages because that is what they want. That is not based on the work they performed.

They put millions of other people OUT OF WORK, and on WELFARE programs.

Really....how did we ever survive EVERY SINGLE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE IN OUR NATIONS HISTORY?

My god, by your thinking this country should have been in complete ruin a 100 years ago.

reply to post by filledcup

good idea.. i support this idea.. because everyone wants a living wage.. so guess what.. mcd's will go out of business. it's time we neglect employers the way they neglect employees. demand more!

I agree. I even eat at these places and not because I like it but because in this ecosystem there really is nothing else to do. That and I am trying to get my body used to all the chemicals they put in it, I have almost come to adapt to it. Most of it though is not real or all that nutritional which is why you have to consume massive amounts of the stuff daily, but you know its close enough to the real thing that you get used to it after a while.

But ya stop buying at fast food places and they would be out of business real fast, which is why they like to take there competitors out of business first with the power of legislation and laws, the whole thing is pretty wayward they way they do it but its there. Its basically the dependance model in everything they do, its the number one way all of them and everybody does business.

One thing for sure if all the fast food workers all across this country one day just didn't show up, this whole society will stop dead in its track, forget wars or earthquakes. Take out the fast food joints and the place will begin to crumble.

Originally posted by filledcup
business leadership 101? u mean the same business leadership idealism that was forged from the days of slavery?

Why, no. I don't.

right.. let me tell u. your point of view is old out-fashioned and outdated traditional viewpoint. and that's why the world is where it is today. u guys want to stick to tradition.. but noone's having it.. not anymore.

You are making stuff up. Plain and simple. You don't really know how traditional or untraditional I am in my viewpoints. Moreover, I don't think you could identify truly "traditional" business practices if it leaped from around the corner and smacked you in the face. I am estimating that you have zero days experience as a business leader of any sort.

uve missed the entire purpose of the business cycle. like i said earlier. pay ppl more and they spend more, and that is the point of a thriving national economy.

No, i didn't miss it. That very principle is why I said that from a business standpoint, paying people doesn't yield better results. Because they just spend more, and end up with greater amounts of debt because they are dumb enough to keep taking on more credit purchases.

if u really want an economy to thrive.. that is what u will do. otherwise, ur going to face these upsets every time the cycle comes around.. and each time it's going to get worse. to the point where everyone is so afraid by spiralling crime, that the military has to be patrolling the streets in tanks and directing traffic with bazookas.

oh look.. that's just what's happening now isnt it.

edit on 29-8-2013 by filledcup because: (no reason given)

Jesus Christ, the hyperbole in this one is strong.

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by neo96

 

The less people have money to spend on these #ty corporations and their low paying, small business destroying world dominating ways the better.

Lets them fall apart because they are so greedy, let Mcdonalds go out of business because they had to law off so many people that noone could afford to go there anymore.

My guess is the people that go there the most are the ones in the same income bracket were talking about here because they cant afford to eat healthy.

Good, let them be the product of their own demise im all for it.

Those GD bloody evil corporations !

Right Off with their heads !

Er wait where's my job ?

Where my fiat currency ?

Where my iphone ?

Where's my Big Mac ?

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by neo96

 

I don't have to answer the GD question.

I'll just take that as "I don't feel like i am getting paid what I am worth." But you must like it.

If i were your boss, i'd pay you a penny an hour, cuz that's all i think you would be worth. And you would be happy, as you stated, because you were lucky to have a job in this economy...and it's not about what you are worth...it's what i felt you "earned." You would just be happy, that I, the job creator, was willing to pay you anything.

Good day Neo!!

Well your not,never will be.

Nice false equivalency there.

Originally posted by onequestion
Screw big business. If they cant handle the raises then let them go out og business.

what if i own a McD's franchise, and work to run my own location? Am I "big business" then?

Or are you just raging at the machine here?