Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

Putting a value on how much someone works their ass off is impossible. Do you think the prick raking in millions on stocks is worth the same as a construction wokring busting his ass off in the heat each day?

Originally posted by filledcup
if you pay ppl well they wont have a problem working hard. theyll work all the overtime in the world.. theyll sleep on site. once that good money is running in ppl will be motivated to work. what some of you want to do is motivate them by beating them with whips on their backs.

This is patently untrue. Money is the worst way to motivate employees, and anyone who has ever managed a large team knows this.

People are motivated by being engaged. Sure you have to pay a decent wage to meet their needs....but even folks who are somewhat underpaid will still overachieve if they are engaged in the business.

Minimum wage employees typically (although there are always exceptions) tend to be minimum wage employees for a reason. That is not a group of folks who tend to be well skilled, make good decisions, or have enormous amounts of intellectual insight.

You don't motivate anyone with whips. You motivate them (if they can be motivated) by inspiring them.

Regardless of who or what wage they deserve.....doesn't matter.

BOTTOM LINE:

The more people that make more money will support your own job as it creates demand for whatever product you make.

DEMAND creates jobs. How is demand created? A need/want for product....and MONEY to spend.

Afraid to pay another 25 cents for a big mac?

Good lord.

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As any learned management person knows, money is a hygiene factor. Let me ask you this though. Would it be a good business practice to cut your workers hours in half for say 3/4's of them and demanding more output from the 1/4 not cut so you can make your $100,000.00 bonus as GM?

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by earthling42
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Ahh so... does that mean they are less and have to work for a minimum wage below the poverty line?

they dont have to do anything. Its there choice to work at McDonald’s for minimum wage. If they dont like it, leave, educate yourself, and create a demand for your labor. An increase in demand for your labor increase your wages.

edit on 29-8-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

The problem is that there isnt much of a manufacturing base left in america. It all went to asia so skilled labor is not like it used to be in the 50s and 60s. People coming out of vocational school might as well learn chineese or korean and leave the states.

College isnt for everyone either. Thats a no brainer. Some want it and can hack it, while others cant or wont because they dont like it.

MW should be slightly above poverty levels to accomodate the folks who have to settle for dead end jobs.

And the problem with illegal aliens has gotten out of hand thanks to eric holder one of the most corrupt politicians of all time. Americans have to compete with illegals for these dead end jobs. Its far from pretty!

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Yes, they are asking for nothing. 10 bucks, i can swallow. But 15 bucks to ring my order of drop fries...nope. If that is the case, as described, I want to double my income also. Why is it ok for someone on the bottom to demand more but someone on the top to not deserve it. You are buying into the stereotypical ' old white guy like Romney' situation. I know people also who own franchised as well as private business and they sometimes 'take home' less then their employees. Is that fair...

Originally posted by David9176
Afraid to pay another 25 cents for a big mac?

Good lord.

Pay another 25 cents now.

Just go to McDonalds and pay more now.

Give the extra money to the workers.

We'll wait.

(show a receipt)

Economics 101 - Paying your workers below the poverty line because they are less than human and deserve nothing out of life, no matter how hard they work.

Oh wait, that's just greed

If we are just going to talk about McDonald's then I can say it's crazy to pay them 15/hour. I think there are several problems though.

The jobs are gone and people are desperate for work. They are happy to get a job, but then realize it's not that easy in the sense of standing on your feet 8 hours filling orders and maintaining the equipment etc.. They have no other opportunities and only 1 person can be GM and two asst GM.

They'd love to move on and cannot because of competition. Many have lost jobs in the downturn of the economy and the only jobs available are service jobs. You want to see the fur really fly, let these chemical engineers with their lofty 4 year or more degrees suddenly get displaced by hiring in 40,000 Pakistani chemical engineers who will gladly work for half what they are currently paying American chemical engineers and you will see screaming as never before.

It's coming folks... and because you don't see what's going on now, and say, "That's what the job is worth" without realizing these people are no longer able to find good jobs because they don't exist, when the time comes for you to get the ax and told to train your replacement, don't look around and wonder what the hell happened. This is all planned to make us get used to living like third world nations.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

As any learned management person knows, money is a hygiene factor. Let me ask you this though. Would it be a good business practice to cut your workers hours in half for say 3/4's of them and demanding more output from the 1/4 not cut so you can make your $100,000.00 bonus as GM?

edit on 29-8-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)

"Good business practice" is about survival. Period. So if survival of the business requires that I am more efficient, I will work 100 hour weeks and reduce staff. Damned straight.

But doing it to victimize someone? Not likely.

I would be interested in seeing how a store performs relative to bonuses when you demoralize staff by reducing headcount without reducing workload. I would suspect that your hypothetical manager does not exist. Or, if he does, would be akin to the harbinger of death for whatever shop they ran where they go in, kill the business for short term gain, clean house, then leave before the fallout is recognized.

Originally posted by David9176
Afraid to pay another 25 cents for a big mac?

Good lord.

You say it, now quantify it. How far does an extra 25 cents per burger go towards pay increases for employees.

Remember, the employer still has taxes and whatnot to pay (whatever you pay in income tax, your employer pays the same, roughly).

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Economics 101 - Paying your workers below the poverty line because they are less than human and deserve nothing out of life, no matter how hard they work. Oh wait, that's just greed

Economics 101 - Paying your workers what the position is worth because it's an entry level job that isn't intended to support a family. Oh wait, that makes sense. Seriously people ... go take an economics course. Paying a burger flipper the same as a degree'd chemist will set off a chain of inflation and will do the burger flipper no good. Instead, the burger flipper needs to learn new skills and/or get an education to raise him/her self out of the entry level job. Handing him money he hasn't earned in an entry level position will just teach him that he can get money that he doesn't deserve and that he doesn't have to work for a better job.

Originally posted by matafuchs
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Yes, they are asking for nothing. 10 bucks, i can swallow. But 15 bucks to ring my order of drop fries...nope.

Im not american, maybe 15 is to much, but when your bargaining you should always ask for more than you need so that when you're haggled, you get what you actually do need. Maybe they know $15 is to much.

If that is the case, as described, I want to double my income also.

Are you also being paid below the poverty line?

Why is it ok for someone on the bottom to demand more but someone on the top to not deserve it.

Poor people have to DEMAND things because they cannot negotiate as "skilled" workers do. Plus, the wage disparity between the rich and poor has been growing epically in the west since the late 70's. Those in the remaining well paid job do not need a pay rise as much as those in low paid jobs. Simple logic really, just take the greed out of the argument.

You are buying into the stereotypical ' old white guy like Romney' situation. I know people also who own franchised as well as private business and they sometimes 'take home' less then their employees. Is that fair...

Im not buying anything, im treating people as human beings. As far as im concerned skilled or not, if your working 40hrs+ a week, you deserve a living wage. If a business cant pay it then they should shut their doors. No excuses.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
you don't see what's going on now, and say, "That's what the job is worth" without realizing these people are no longer able to find good jobs because they don't exist,

The sob story, while sad, is irrelevant to economics. Because some people have a hard time is no reason to hike their pay above what they are worth. If you want to donate to them out of your pocket ... go right ahead. But for them to demand more money simply because they want it and can't OR WONT work for a better job ... that's just bad economics and bad for the country (and bad for the burger flipper in the long run).

Originally posted by Tardacus
These people are fools for going on strike what they should be doing is quitting that minimum wage job and go on welfare, welfare pays more and it includes free health benefits and a free obama phone.
These companies that pay minimum wage are getting a free ride at the tax payers expense, tax payers have to subsidize minimum wages through increased taxes to pay for government handouts to minimum wage workers.

everybody who pays taxes should be supporting these people in their effort for higher pay, every dollar of government handouts to minimum wage workers is a dollar profit for the companies paying minimum wage.

we could simplify things and cut out the middle man by just having the companies pay their workers poverty line wages and the government gives the companies the difference between minimum wage and poverty line wages.
That way the companies keep their profits without raising their prices, tax payers still pay the same amount of taxes and the workers get a raise.

you should be the president of the united states bud

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15 an hour is far above the poverty line, i have stayed alive off 12,000 a year, if i had 31,000 i wouldnt know what to do with myself.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

As any learned management person knows, money is a hygiene factor. Let me ask you this though. Would it be a good business practice to cut your workers hours in half for say 3/4's of them and demanding more output from the 1/4 not cut so you can make your $100,000.00 bonus as GM?

edit on 29-8-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)

"Good business practice" is about survival. Period. So if survival of the business requires that I am more efficient, I will work 100 hour weeks and reduce staff. Damned straight.

But doing it to victimize someone? Not likely.

I would be interested in seeing how a store performs relative to bonuses when you demoralize staff by reducing headcount without reducing workload. I would suspect that your hypothetical manager does not exist. Or, if he does, would be akin to the harbinger of death for whatever shop they ran where they go in, kill the business for short term gain, clean house, then leave before the fallout is recognized.

This is exactly what happened at one super wal-mart where I live. The GM got away with it for years, but eventually did get fired. He would write up managers or what they call zone managers to keep them from being able to promote. He would cut hours and make others work their butts off, and as his store costs seemed pretty good and profits up (wages came right out of profits) he made his nice bonus. Yes, it did catch up with him, but not for years. No one is going to complain publicly because they would get fired.

Here is another example for you. Family Dollar hires in a manager at 40k a year on contract at 52/hrs a week, then cuts their staff and makes them work 110 hrs/ wk. You either suck it up or quit. Your store better stay set properly, and profits up. This is happening over and over. The manager has no time to do their mods, counts, run the counter etc, and basically manage the store. The regional manager is really acting as the manager, and they just hire a new one to come in and work them to death.

The big companies have learned to hire two part timers when they need a full timer because of benefits. With Obama care, it's going to be 3 part timers to 1 full time really. As long as you stay under a certain amt of hours you don't get the benefits. So, it's a pretty vicious system, and its taking its toll on the American family.

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Yea, there are a-holes without morals in every sector.

I have seen it countless times before. But someone paid $8/hr at McD's is likely not working for the ammoral a-hole.

EXCUSES -- EXCUSES. Shame on those of you who have that "poor victim" attitude. If you want a better job, work for it. If you want a better education, work for it. If you want a better life, work for it.

It is so much easier to have an excuse and play the "drama queen" card. Grow up and accept responsibility. At least in the United States we do not have a "caste" system and regardless of your place in the order of society, you can break free, but you have to WORK FOR IT.