Evolution Vs. God

Originally posted by tachyonmind

Man Christians don't get on here and try to argue evolution with you because the fact is there are facts on both sides of the argument, and gaps on both sides of the argument. At the end of the day people pick a side they believe. Christians get on here because they truly believe that God will rapture his church one day, and they do not want you to miss out. That is why they come on here, and we do not believe that we will be the ones the change your mind.

i just don't understand why they can't believe in both..

why can't a person be an atheistic jewish christian buddhist existential scientist, who believes in everything? isn't that what religion is supposed to teach, that all of God's children are equal and right?

oh wait, that's right, the great evil satan is in control of those who learn from anything else.. thanks for doing that to us abrahamic religion.. xD

edit on 29-8-2013 by tachyonmind because: (no reason given)

But that is just Paul corrupting the message as it was told he would. He was very into duality views that Jesus clearly was beyond. If you look at the message and not care about who the messengers are then you can define if the source is god or satan. The bible is clearly speaking for both sides at the same time.

A hint from my point of view. There is a connection between satan, ego views and duality. Duality is the ultimate divider as created by small minds who think one view has to be more right than another.

And we already have the one world religion here. It is ego and greed and spans the whole planet right now.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


The one thing that has bothered me about evolution is the fact that in nature the majority of animals and plants have a male or female aspect to them. This male and female aspect is dependent on each other to procreate. Why an organism that possible began as a self replication life form would devolve into one that was dependant on another life form of the same kind to procreate? It would seem to me to be a step backward that would increase the chances of that organism not to survive.

Originally posted by guitarplayer
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

The one thing that has bothered me about evolution is the fact that in nature the majority of animals and plants have a male or female aspect to them. This male and female aspect is dependent on each other to procreate. Why an organism that possible began as a self replication life form would devolve into one that was dependant on another life form of the same kind to procreate? It would seem to me to be a step backward that would increase the chances of that organism not to survive.

The fact that self replicating organisms supposedly one day decided to procreate by separate sexes is in itself madness and that's what evolution is, madness. Assumptions are made constantly without any observable proof of actual specie change from one type to another.

On the subject of morality. The Buddha himself rejected metaphysical speculation as a matter of principle, and his teachings focused entirely on the practical ways to end suffering.
Then Dawkins says it nicely.


"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?" -- Robert G. Ingersoll

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed

 

I think we intrinsically know right and wrong because of the thing called conscience put there by God, but our society has been told over and over that no one has a right to tell you what is right or wrong. So, I want to know just how you decide if lying, cheating, stealing, murder is right or wrong.

Where did you get that from?

Dude... according to the Bible... man is inherently evil. He ate from the tree of knowledge and was cast out due to his rebellion, the original sin. Don't you know your Bible?

He ate from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" and became tainted with the thinking of that he knew right from wrong with his limited information without walking in the other person s shoes. This dualistic view normally manifest itself to an ego where you are right just because you have the view and others are wrong because they do not agree.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
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Are you pre-trib, post trib or day of rapture believer?

Pre-trib, this is by far the strongest Biblical view if you interpret Scripture literally in my opinion.

I'm sorry, but you think the pre-trib rapture is the strongest scripture based view?? There is nothing, and I literally mean NOTHING in the Bible that says anything about the rapture being pre-trib. But there is clear scripture that the rapture is after the tribulation. By the way, the tribulation is the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year period, the Wrath of God is the second 3 1/2 years.

Matthew 24 (KJV... the only REAL Bible)

Verse 1 - 28 explains in great detail the tribulation, and then the rapture starts in verse 29 with the words Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


There are MANY other verses that clearly explain the POST trib rapture. Don't believe false Doctrine.

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Matthew 24 (KJV... the only REAL Bible)

the belief that there is only one real bible is sad. the king james version is the only real bible according to those who believe exclusively in one book of "words of men", because that is what all bibles are.. the word of man, describing God in whatever terms are available to them, through the language of their time..

taking one to the exclusion of all others only further separates you from the rest of God's works, and understanding God.

Evolution via natural selection is a proven fact hence why it is called the theory of Evolution


The only people who believe in god are the people that dont understand science ... there is almost no debate left ...

the worst part is that its 2013 and we still have a whole bunch of our adult human community believing in imaginary friends ... thats whats wrong with the world

Originally posted by King Loki
Evolution via natural selection is a proven fact hence why it is called the theory of Evolution


The only people who believe in god are the people that dont understand science ... there is almost no debate left ...

the worst part is that its 2013 and we still have a whole bunch of our adult human community believing in imaginary friends ... thats whats wrong with the world

i would not be so harsh.. theistic belief in God is not a belief in an imaginary friend.. it is just a means of personifying universal intelligence.. very few theists actually believe there is a big guy with a beard in the sky, you dig?

i'm an atheist scientist and i believe in God, how do i fit into your reply above?

reply to post by tachyonmind



For an atheist to believe in god you would have to have provable data that shows the existence of said deity or you are not an atheist lol

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

I think we intrinsically know right and wrong because of the thing called conscience put there by God, but our society has been told over and over that no one has a right to tell you what is right or wrong. So, I want to know just how you decide if lying, cheating, stealing, murder is right or wrong.

Where did you get that from?

It's called empathy.

em·pa·thy
noun ˈem-pə-thē
Definition of EMPATHY
1
: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it
2
: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

We're going with definition # 2 in this setting. I don't believe that empathy has anything to do with any deity. I believe it's the ability to understand how your actions affect others, appreciate that affect, and decide that such an affect is not an appropriate one to propagate because it would suck to be in that position and you wouldn't wish to impose it on a fellow person.

That's not religion. That's called being considerate.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I think we intrinsically know right and wrong because of the thing called conscience put there by God, but our society has been told over and over that no one has a right to tell you what is right or wrong. So, I want to know just how you decide if lying, cheating, stealing, murder is right or wrong.

Where did you get that from?

It's called empathy.

em·pa·thy
noun ˈem-pə-thē
Definition of EMPATHY
1
: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it
2
: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

We're going with definition # 2 in this setting.

this guy is correct its empathy

Originally posted by King Loki
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

For an atheist to believe in god you would have to have provable data that shows his existence or you are not an atheist lol

all data is evidence of universal intelligence.. the only difference between a book of the bible and a physics paper is the terms of expression.. they both say the same thing, that whatever is outside of us, it is alive..

you dig?

being atheist just means you don't believe God is exclusively defined by theistic texts and interpretations..

Even if there is a so called god he does not care or is indifferent to humans


look at all the genocides and children getting tortured and raped .... there is either no god at all or he exists and he hates us

reply to post by tachyonmind

all data is evidence of universal intelligence.. the only difference between a book of the bible and a physics paper is the terms of expression.. they both say the same thing, that whatever is outside of us, it is alive..

you dig?

being atheist just means you don't believe God is exclusively defined by theistic texts and interpretations..

Where is it, exactly? What is its nature? How does it function? Is it conscious? How can you tell? Where is your data for determining the existence of such an entity?

You're leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

Originally posted by King Loki
Even if there is a so called god he does not care or is indifferent to humans


look at all the genocides and children getting tortured and raped .... there is either no god at all or he exists and he hates us

nope, he loves us.. he thinks we hate him in fact, the way we carry on fighting over which version of him is the "right" one, killing each other over imaginary "evils" and continually denying his very existence..

i don't blame him for putting off returning in human form for so long.. its often not a pleasant experience, being a human..

reply to post by tachyonmind


No that is completely incorrect

There dosnt have to be a god at all .... i have seen nothing to suggest that there needs to be a god at all everything currently in nature can be explained by evolution quite well

Originally posted by tachyonmind

Originally posted by King Loki
Even if there is a so called god he does not care or is indifferent to humans


look at all the genocides and children getting tortured and raped .... there is either no god at all or he exists and he hates us

nope, he loves us.. he thinks we hate him in fact, the way we carry on fighting over which version of him is the "right" one, killing each other over imaginary "evils" and continually denying his very existence..

i don't blame him for putting off returning in human form for so long.. its often not a pleasant experience, being a human..

edit on 29-8-2013 by tachyonmind because: (no reason given)

You my friend are not an atheist at all then lol ... you are religious

Originally posted by King Loki
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

No that is completely incorrect

There dosnt have to be a god at all .... i have seen nothing to suggest that there needs to be a god at all everything currently in nature can be explained by evolution quite well

my point is that God is nature, you see? there is no difference.. evolution is right, of course it is, i never disagreed.. i only disagree with the perception that God is something outside of our experience, when by definition life is an experience of God..

you see?

nothing is "completely incorrect", just divided into parts which don't fit until you step back and see the whole picture..

Originally posted by King Loki

Originally posted by tachyonmind

Originally posted by King Loki
Even if there is a so called god he does not care or is indifferent to humans


look at all the genocides and children getting tortured and raped .... there is either no god at all or he exists and he hates us

nope, he loves us.. he thinks we hate him in fact, the way we carry on fighting over which version of him is the "right" one, killing each other over imaginary "evils" and continually denying his very existence..

i don't blame him for putting off returning in human form for so long.. its often not a pleasant experience, being a human..

edit on 29-8-2013 by tachyonmind because: (no reason given)

You my friend are not an atheist at all then lol ... you are religious

edit on 29/8/13 by King Loki because: (no reason given)

nope. not religious at all..

you don't have to be religious to believe in God and just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you believe he doesn't.. if you can't wrap your head around that then i fear there is little hope for you..