Americans , aren't you going to do something

Originally posted by reject
reply to post by mideast

 

I have been reading your posts and I think the real problem here is people take religion seriously.

That and the misguided sense of being right and being better than everyone else makes people treat others poorly and with contempt and prejudice.

Wake up.

No , death is the most serious thing and life after death is more serious.

Suppose that you don't want to take the matters serious , war and destruction and manipulation are serious matters discussed in this thread.

And if nothing is serious , then I shouldn't have took your post serious.

Edited ....

Originally posted by mideast
The source doesn't matter for her , it is the goal and agenda which matters.

I gave multiple sources and they are accurate as is the information from the government.

The person with a goal and agenda here is MIDEAST. Pumping out pure Iranian government propaganda and refusing to acknowledge the FACT that Iran is deeply involved with international terrorism.

That is why I ignore half of her replies.

No .. you ignore all my replies because I'm posting facts that totally destroy your propaganda.
And you can't handle it. And your Iranian government handlers don't like it at all ... do they?

Originally posted by mideast

Originally posted by reject
reply to post by mideast

 

I have been reading your posts and I think the real problem here is people take religion seriously.

That and the misguided sense of being right and being better than everyone else makes people treat others poorly and with contempt and prejudice.

Wake up.

No , death is the most serious thing and life after death is more serious.

Suppose that you don't want to take the matters serious , war and destruction and manipulation are serious matters discussed in this thread.

And if nothing is serious , then I shouldn't have took your post serious.

I have to quote this

Americans wont do anything because as unethical as out govt is most of us know that our stance is in the end moving alongside the rest of the first world in being anti religion period...

"life after death is the most important" There is simply no reasoning with that nonsense, we are after global government, we are after a technological world in which the human race escapes the planet, energy, science, longevity.... Reality

Even these "losses of freedom" in our own country are aimed at the religious sect of any denomination, a world of technology is very dangerous... no one intervenes in the USA's actions because in the end the global economy realistically is what matters if we are to survive.

This is the time of the scientist and the Atheist, the details of the religious infighting do not matter, the region is set up to be brought to it; knees, Russia wont be coming to help nor will China. In a modern world the loss of even one city affects the entire civilized world, despite some ideological differences out old enemies are no our allies in a round about way

Comments like "life after death matters most" is why

There is no life after death, the philosophy has to go away now just like Zeus and Shiva and Odin once did or the world wont survive

No one likes the methods, but there is little alternative

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mideast
The source doesn't matter for her , it is the goal and agenda which matters.

I gave multiple sources and they are accurate as is the information from the government.

The person with a goal and agenda here is MIDEAST. Pumping out pure Iranian government propaganda and refusing to acknowledge the FACT that Iran is deeply involved with international terrorism.

That is why I ignore half of her replies.

No .. you ignore all my replies because I'm posting facts that totally destroy your propaganda.
And you can't handle it. And your Iranian government handlers don't like it at all ... do they?

flyer

Flyer, I fail to understand either why this thread has not been closed. Mideast is so obvious a govt crony spotting propaganda and ignoring the truth and our questions. This has gotten ridiculous and I really beginning to wonder why it has not been closed.

The Bot

The point of this thread is to post propaganda. This is my last post because it's just fodder for the ignorant and obviously the OP is not going to answer any of the pertinent questions asked by numerous members who have supplied great facts.

So, I will now completely bow out and hope the thread dies.

reply to post by mideast

Muslims kill, rape and drive Christians out of there homes, we do nothing, Muslims kill each other and our great leader cant wait to scream Allāhu Akbar and push the button to start ww3.

UnifiedSerenity
The point of this thread is to post propaganda. This is my last post because it's just fodder for the ignorant and obviously the OP is not going to answer any of the pertinent questions asked by numerous members who have supplied great facts.

So, I will now completely bow out and hope the thread dies.

Well said, hope to see you in other threads, also leaving this one to his propaganda.

The Bot

reply to post by Dreine


they would rather ignore our issues because the secret society wants to let it demolish itself.


meanwhile, we want to take 765million dollars and divide that up to football players that have gotten hurt in the past. once again giving more money to people that have more money than 95% of people. Ugh..



if people do not comprehend the failure of your elected cult members. you are not sane. you are terribly ill. with no critical thinking skills.

STOP VOTING!!

reply to post by mideast

That is all the issue. That is why I am saying about WAhhabis.

Some say a necessary evil when in fact it would be more akin to a mobilization of white blood cells in respose to a virus invasion which then turn on everybody around them. The whole thing has and will likely continue to take a life of its own. Such things are usually stronger then all the bull# you see going around, which is likely that they will be around for much longer long after the west has done and gone. But you know this thing will eventually at some point in time continue, who knows the sides may even switch and the shoe will be on the other foot...etc etc, its usually how these things go over time. The majority are still fighting over something which happened thousands of years ago, such as the very disputes among the middle eastern peoples before the west came around.

The fact that we don't like to give up to world banking system , the facts that we don't like to give up our resources matters ?

Or the fact that we don't appreciate west making problems and solving them ?

Which one matters ?

When the elephants fight its the grass that surfers. All vampires must be first invited in before there able to feed, so who do you think invited all of them in? And if things were switched a bit around it could of been the middle east occupying the Americas and liberating the peoples there in to there doctrines.

In the end none of it really matters as might makes right, and history is not only written by the winners, its more often then not just plain made up from thin air after the facts are long forgotten, and humanity seems to have a bad case of short term memory loss at least every 10 years or so. In either case the enemy is within it is out it is left and it is right and all around.

I have looked , I agree that corruption maybe there in every country. But the fact that policy of west is to invade middle eastern countries is not a corrution issue. It is the nature of west to act like that. Maybe we can not wash the corrupted and corruption off the country , but does that give any reason to west to act like that ?

You all seem to have things in the ground which can make a lot of people very rich. But ya! its obvious what was going on from the beginning, but don't pretend that a lot of people in that area have not profited from it all greatly. I am sure there are all kinds withing your own village or town or city who have and if not then you best believe somebody is besides the western powers. I could go back and history and point to certain events and things and say the same about every peoples in the middle east.....And the really funked up part is I can also point to the ones in the futures which will do the same again and yet again. And I am sure they all will have there reasons.

Some don't like to take the advice because they want to invade and use the spoils of war while they can . What is the solution for that issue ?

The issue is more complicated than that and you know it. There just may never be any solution, what was the maxim of old Rome one Vegetius once said. "If you want peace, prepare for war" And that to got taken and stretched as far as it could eventually into the extremes of empire building. The ultimate sad fact is that given the nature of not only humans but this very universe and everything around you, that may be the only thing possible to do.

Bhagavad Gita Passage - The miserable tend to constantly notice other people’s faults, even if they are as small as a mustard seed; and continuously shut their eyes against their own faults, even if they are as large as a vilva fruit. (Garuda Purana)

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Bhagavad Gita Passage - The miserable tend to constantly notice other people’s faults, even if they are as small as a mustard seed; and continuously shut their eyes against their own faults, even if they are as large as a vilva fruit. (Garuda Purana)

Regardless of agendas, the OP does have a point.

Your government has been corrupted, when are you going to do something about it?

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Bhagavad Gita Passage - The miserable tend to constantly notice other people’s faults, even if they are as small as a mustard seed; and continuously shut their eyes against their own faults, even if they are as large as a vilva fruit. (Garuda Purana)

Regardless of agendas, the OP does have a point.

Your government has been corrupted, when are you going to do something about it?

People naturally get defensive when foreigners criticise their government.

And its to be expected more with iranians who have been threatning both israel and usa now for ages.

The OP does make some good points regardless if he has an agenda or not. NATO has been messing with the middle east for too long and is playing a dangerous game. He also tries to seperate the sunni fundamentalists from the shiite fundamentalists in relation to the blame game.

The middle east is complex and no one is 100% wrong or correct.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

There are no "innocents" anymore.

No angels.

Iran has an agenda.
Syria has an agenda.
The US has an agenda.
Russia, China, Saudi. . . . . .

All have agendas.

Altruism is lost.

To beg otherwise is disingenuous at least, and subversive at best.

I never said anyone was innocent except Assad's regime of using chemical weapons. Sure they have an agenda, what country, party or person doesn't? What's altruism got to do with any of this? The US getting involved wouldn't be for altruistic reasons. Our government and media only "Care" about civilian populations when it fits their agenda too.

We need to let the Middle East solve it's own problems. Though many of the names of the countries there are thousands of years old their current governments, demographics, economies,etc have only been around since WW2. These are all young countries, their borders arbitrarily drawn up in the wake of WW2 by the Western powers. The people there had no say in how it happened and when they decided to start voting the US threw out the people they voted in (Mossadegh in Iran/ 1953).

The US and Britan have been meddling heavily there since. Small wonder they can't get issues resolved when we ensure turmoil through our foreign policies. Assad may be no angel but he's a vast improvement over his father Hafez Al Assad. The affairs of foreign nations are their own and we need to start respecting that and by doing so showing respect to the people of those nations.

After 9/11 we had the goodwill of the whole world smiling on us. What did we do with that? We threw it all away along with the future of our country to build a military/security/intelligence state in some hair-brained attempt to police the world. America is not singularly possessed of virtue nor are we wise enough to make decisions for those outside our own borders.

The world once looked to America for leadership and we showed them how to build an evil empire. I don't blame them at all for hating us. I love America as much as anyone but turning a blind eye to our own history and lack of ethical behavior is a piss poor substitute for patriotism and is in reality aiding and abetting the very criminal enterprise that has hijacked our government.

Altruism is lost among politicians but the people of the world still possess it in abundance. It's unfortunate foreign policy is dictated by the former rather than the latter.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I have said this before and I'll say it again... everyone has an agenda. It doesn't have to be a hidden agenda, but one is always there. If a person wants to speak the truth... then the truth is their agenda. If a person just wants to hear themselves talk, that is their agenda. People take agenda as a naughty word and I think those people have a guilty conscience about something usually. Those with bad agenda always pretend they don't have one... or that it is a falsely noble one.

In this case, we can all tell that the west has an agenda.... and they are using violence to perpetuate their agenda.

The east has an agenda too... and when people in the west have no way of denying that their government has this agenda, their bottom line is the fear of the agendas of the east. they will subscribe to an obvious evil for fear of what they don't understand. This is why no matter how many people have to realize what the west is doing, some will still support them. Mainly because they are afraid countries who have been involved with or are involved with socialism will soon control global economics and it might alter their way of life from how they are used to it.

In a small way it's understandable... in a very small way.

For the most part they have to be able to admit the bottom line of the reality of agendas and analyze their own. Why do they support something they know is wrong? When they can admit the reason to themselves then they will find they might have options. The east has an agenda concerning global economics, but can you blame them? In this particular issue... who appears to be behaving themselves the best? Who executes their agenda more fairly? I didn't say completely fairly but compared to the slaughter of the west... MORE fairly.

There is a reason that the East is playing diplomacy ball... and we should give them a fair chance to see what they can do with the opportunity that they earned with aggressive economics, but not going around invading countries like the west. Diplomacy is needed, no matter who is utilizing it. The east is utilizing it much more than the west. If the east gets that area of global economic control and screws us all over, we have to have faith in ourselves that a new resistance will rise up against that kind of threat. What the west is doing is not integrity... and no kind of solid foundation of resistance to any kind of corruption in the world can be built from it... only deeper corruption and more abuse of freedoms.

If one is a sore loser and cheats in a competition, then they deserve to be disqualified from playing.
If one can admit their losses in a competition, then they can sit back and recoop... be on guard and try to do better in the future by learning from the situation... not by piling on more mistakes... not by discrediting themselves entirely... not by debasing everything it means to have fair competition, possibly to never again be restored if fairness NEVER wins and it all becomes a competition of who cheats the best.

this is why regardless of the world power control plan on either side of the board, we have to look at how the competition is being run by the CURRENT leaders... and our leaders are only showing how inept they are and the violent extent they will go to in order to achieve their agenda. The past is also important... to see who can admit it, who can rise above it... and who just stays stuck on the same broken path. The east is showing patience and gains with their agenda. They have suffered and even caused themselves to suffer but have made progress while the west has caused to suffer, including their own too... but they have been backsliding the whole way.

I'm not saying the east has done no clever or sneaky things, but they have done things recently without absurd tactics and making themselves look like complete fools or ruthless criminals that can NEVER be trusted. We don't know what the east will do ultimately... it could stay on an up and up path. There has been brutality in the mideast, but look at the brutality and the age long series of lies they have been shown that would drive most to madness. I'm sure most of them would be grateful just for a chance to be considered equals to the west they have a right to. but have been denied.
We have to face the future bravely and with faith. We KNOW what the west is doing.... there is no doubt and we CANNOT let them get away with it and let this be learned and accepted as an appropriate tactic. There must be repercussion to this type of governing. No matter how much we like the spoils of our society, we cannot let our future be built on this pack of lies. If we try something else and it doesn't work... at least we tried and at least we had enough faith to face down a known evil. If it bites us in the ass, we will find that faith again in resisting any new forms of evil.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Well said.
Never thought I'd live to see the day when Communist China appeared to be conducting foreign policy in a more fair and balanced approach than the US.
They deal in trade, we deal in threats and reprisal.
We can't win that game as even short term gains are negated by the blowback generated from our actions.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Your government has been corrupted, when are you going to do something about it?

The OPs government has been corrupted. When is HE going to do something about it??

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

Well said.
Never thought I'd live to see the day when Communist China appeared to be conducting foreign policy in a more fair and balanced approach than the US.
They deal in trade, we deal in threats and reprisal.
We can't win that game as even short term gains are negated by the blowback generated from our actions.

The interesting thing for me about this post is that some people living in the USA associate themselves as the collective "we", when that same collective has very little, if not nothing, in the influence of every day life policies for the USA.

Threats from the USA usually come through trade negotiations. I agree on blowback from USA actions, though I wouldn't say 'our', I would say the USA government which does not represent the people of the USA.

Why should "WE" do something about it???

It is not our fight.

If your people are "Self-Rightous" enough to believe that they have the right to kill other people because they are "Not Muslim Enough" Then, religious beliefs or not, that is just wrong.

I have no religious beliefs. I just live by a standard, that you can not change peoples opinion, or beliefs, and that is their own right, and to just let it be.......

Now, if someone wants to try and cram their beliefs down my throat, then I get a little perturbed.

See, It doesn't matter what "GOD" you worship, as long as you live your life the way you would like, and not be a hinderence on anyone else, then everything should be good.

So, why don't you go to "Them" and explain to them, what they are doing, is a text book definition, Of "Insanity" This has been going on for how many thousands of years???? And they just keep doing it???

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You had better have a chat with Obama and the "Coalition of the Killing" , then. Perhaps talk him out of his version of insanity.