Just Breaking on CNN, Strike on Syria Within Hours Without Congressional Approval

NO, please, I refuse to believe we would be that stupid to involve ourselves in this. If it is true they they used CW against their people, I wish them the hell they deserve, but to get involved there, we are just not the keepers of this planet and I do not like the context given what we have already done in the name of saving anyone. # This.

Originally posted by xavi1000
Latest interview with President al-Assad

Syria will never become a western puppet state!

sana.sy...

I seem to remember another leader that was forced out, but vowed never to leave. RIP ghadafi(or however were spelling it this week)

"They are asking me to leave. That's a laugh. I will never leave the land of my ancestors or the people who have sacrificed themselves for me," he told supporters in Zawiyah, west of the capital.

Of course a leader is going to vow to never be forced to step down, but unfortunately his time is short and unfortunately Syria WILL become another puppet state for the west. www.france24.com...

"This was not a negotiation. It was the delivery of a message," the official said. "We have no plans to meet again, because the message has been delivered."

The official would not say who was on Kadhafi's side or where the meeting took place, other than that it was outside of Libya.

But Mussa Ibrahim, a spokesman for Kadhafi's regime in Tripoli, told CNN the talks took place in Tunisia and said it was the start of a diplomatic process.

"It was a first step in dialogue," he told the network.

Kadhafi on Sunday again defiantly vowed never to go into exile despite the rebel uprising backed by four months of NATO air strikes.

Originally posted by Hijinx
Lots of the US troops are coming back and killing themselves, or killing themselves over seas. Something ain't right, and I doubt they seem to think they can just say no.

Its time they returned to their own country and turned the guns on the real criminals - those who infest Wall St, the military industry and politicians - and the mega wealthy (who pretend not to exist).

Time to fight not for others freedom, but for their own.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Ah... so an anti-assad ATS member finally admits that Syria is full of terrorists...

Finally? I've been saying it for months, if not the past year. Unlike some, I'm not blinkered into a black and white scenario, either way. There is the Assad regime, which is horrible, there are pro-Democracy factions and there the Jihadi's.

Yes, the whole thing is a mess and we haven;t helped with the hand wringing on the sides which has allowed the worst types of humanity to flourish in the chaos.

My own preferred solution would be an intervention that stopped all sides from fighting, enforce a ceasefire and get everyone round the table. That is what the West should be doing - we might actually get some credibility for that.

Originally posted by thesmokingman

Of course a leader is going to vow to never be forced to step down, but unfortunately his time is short and unfortunately Syria WILL become another puppet state for the west.

People seem to underestimate the damage that Syria and Iran can cause should the US and criminal forces attack them.

They can cut off the flow of oil - that will crush the US dollar almost immediately - the US will fall in months.

Originally posted by miniatus
I think we all expect an attack is iminent

I'll almost guarantee one is. In situations like this you watch the tankers, and a large group of them just moved to Cyprus. That's the last piece that needed to be moved into place.

Originally posted by Amagnon

Originally posted by thesmokingman

Of course a leader is going to vow to never be forced to step down, but unfortunately his time is short and unfortunately Syria WILL become another puppet state for the west.

People seem to underestimate the damage that Syria and Iran can cause should the US and criminal forces attack them.

They can cut off the flow of oil - that will crush the US dollar almost immediately - the US will fall in months.

What part of "Oil" do you think this action would end with. The end game would certainly not stop with anyone shutting anything off, it continues to a very bad scenario, and exposes the real agenda that we want to unfold. This is not a consideration if the US really does get into this. It scares the # out of me.

It seems that those who wish to reduce the world's population down to fraction of what it is currently shall have their way.

And in public view the Manchurian Candidates will have their day and destroy the world as we have known it.

Calling all angels...

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by jhn7537

 

For the record, if my country ever ended up anything like Syria, with the shooting of protesters, silencing of the opposition and detention for merely criticising the Government, I would expect foreign intervention and welcome it.

However, until it becomes an evil dictatorship, the question is moot.

edit on 26/8/13 by stumason because: (no reason given)

For this and the last post Stu, great points. If I may interject the Congress'
approval rating (as a percentage of those polled over here lately) is akin to a
well passed around Guatemalan football bat of 11% or less, depending on the
pollster. Most around my little slice of purgatory are wearing Carlin's old scowl
as a regular countenance-- and I mean the ones with paying jobs as well.
For checks and balances, I feel the old girl has had a thumb on her scale
since that original pesky 13th Amendment of ours went missing. But sadly
Tony Blair's call for an end to the Mag when he left seems to have gone more
viral worldwide than Snowden's Medicated Nose Cushions. I am so button-down.
For opression you may admit we're all making leaps and bounds to the pit.

This again and at all too many appropriate opportunities:
"And if I die before I wake,
I wouldn't be a bit surprised"
Erika was 8 when she prayer-a-phrased Susan's and my quiet tear.
It was a lot of years ago and it's steadily worse. Pray for peace, but prepare.

www.israelnationalnews.com...
Strike is immmminent..

reply to post by all2human


The RAF warplanes that are in Cyprus had planned to be there for months now on a training exercise. Best guess is that we have a couple of days, as the tanker force just arrived there today.

As part of routine annual summer exercises, 10 Typhoon aircraft, pilots, and supporting engineers from 29 (Reserve) Squadron at RAF Coningsby will shortly deploy to Akrotiri in Cyprus on exercise, continuing the long tradition of RAF personnel taking advantage of the training facilities and the almost guaranteed good weather that the base offers.

The primary role of 29(R) Squadron is to train pilots from other aircraft types to fly and operate the Typhoon. During training the pilots will undertake a variety of missions, giving them the skills they need to fully utilise the world beating capability of the multi-role Typhoon aircraft.

www.raf.mod.uk...

That was from 2 days ago.

Originally posted by all2human
www.israelnationalnews.com...
Strike is imminent..

From your link:

British Foreign Secretary William Hague and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu upped the ante on Monday by claiming United Nations approval was not necessarily needed for intervention to take place.

"Is it possible to act on chemical weapons, is it possible to respond to chemical weapons without complete unity on the UN Security Council?" Hague asked, rhetorically.

Who do these people think they are? US and UK alike?? The rest of the world must be anything but amused by this. It wasn't THAT long ago that tacit approval from the UN was considered a prerequisite and people just claimed the US controlled it. Now, Susan Rice was too busy on a personal trip of some kind to even show up at the Security Council Meeting about Syria and Britain is shrugging off even getting tacit approval.

This kind of supreme arrogance is how Germany fell when militarily, on paper, it should have won. So should Japan, on paper...if they hadn't made ONE reach too many. Just one nation drawn in that shouldn't have been...and the whole world history changed.

I gaze around the world at the nations and get a very uneasy feeling that as we look at Syria as prey to pounce on....so are all of THEM starting to look at each of our nations ...in pre-emptive and collective self defense, if nothing else. It's the fact it makes sense that makes it scary.

Originally posted by charlyv

Originally posted by Amagnon

Originally posted by thesmokingman

Of course a leader is going to vow to never be forced to step down, but unfortunately his time is short and unfortunately Syria WILL become another puppet state for the west.

People seem to underestimate the damage that Syria and Iran can cause should the US and criminal forces attack them.

They can cut off the flow of oil - that will crush the US dollar almost immediately - the US will fall in months.

What part of "Oil" do you think this action would end with. The end game would certainly not stop with anyone shutting anything off, it continues to a very bad scenario, and exposes the real agenda that we want to unfold. This is not a consideration if the US really does get into this. It scares the # out of me.

Your concerns are a bit vague - anyhow I'll address the oil situation.

Syria and Iran can hit everything oil related from Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi, Iraq and so on. They can also close Hormus, and threaten shipping through the Suez - they can literally turn off oil flow from the ME.

Russia has a fleet parked in Venezuela at the moment, and all US assets are being moved to the ME - Russia can additionally blockage oil from Venezuela - US strategic oil supplies last like a week. Then gas stops flowing in the US - people start starving - and they will know it is the US govt and financial cronies that caused the disaster.

The domestic chaos would only be part of the problem - with no oil flow, and severe internal disruptions - the backing for the dollar has just vanished, there is no longer oil demand to support the dollar - and everyone would take the opportunity to dump US treasuries - especially China, and Japan would have no choice but to do so.

The US would go into massive inflation, headed for hyperinflation as well as have a crushed bond market, sky high interest rates, a smashed stock market and collapsing real estate prices. It would be the end.

Now, even if the US responded with nukes it would be meaningless - if the ports and pipelines are already destroyed there is nothing the US could do at that point to gain an upper hand - they are literally wiped out.

Originally posted by Melekim
It seems that those who wish to reduce the world's population down to fraction of what it is currently shall have their way.

And in public view the Manchurian Candidates will have their day and destroy the world as we have known it.

Calling all angels...

I strongly believe that Russia WILL NOT go to war with US-NATO over Syria.

Russia will however support Syria in other ways. Might get China's help on the side or even equally.

These other ways can cause the US to issue ultimatum. Ex: A USN destroyer sunk by Yakhont missile killing 150 sailors and wounding another 400. or Syria Iran attack inside the US or UK using assets supplied by Russia.

If such event happens and ultimatum is issued then crisis similar to Cuban Missiles will erupt. US will put a stop to any flights or ships or trucks coming from Rus Federation and offloading supplies to Syria or Iran.

However, I still strongly believe that Russia will back down from that ultimatum but not before putting stop to US adventures of attacking other countries without UN approval.

In its history Russia has not attacked other countries. Most wars it fought were defensive in nature. Unless Russia is attacked, it will not go to war.

Russian modus operendi is: Up the ante, extract the concessions and then Down to normal.

IMHO

Originally posted by Amagnon
Russia has a fleet parked in Venezuela at the moment, and all US assets are being moved to the ME

Not even close. The "Russian fleet" consists of a Moskva helicopter cruiser, a Udaloy missile destroyer, and a tanker.

As for all assets being moved to the ME, again, not even close. The US Navy has 10 carrier strike groups (total, there are a couple that are down for maintenance right now), there is no reason for all 10 groups to be in the ME, and no room to fit them all. You MIGHT see two more head that way, but no more than that. That leaves the Wasp class LHD ships, and their escorts, the entire submarine fleet, plus various destroyers and cruisers. More than enough to handle two warships that are currently in Venezuela.

Originally posted by Taissa
De Ja Moo

The feeling you have seen this crap before.

Like a Moo point? Its just like a cows opinion, it doesn't matter.....

reply to post by Amagnon


Your prediction of Syria Iran hitting everything oil related is pretty practical and possible. This will hurt the EU more than the US. It will really hurt the US allies like Saudi, Kuwait, UAE and Qatar.

However, just a phone call from Kremlin to Venezuela will stop the oil supplies to the US. Russia will not blockade anything, too bold of an action. They prefer to be behind the scenes where possible.

In the last 5 years, US has gained lots of self sufficiency in oil and by 2020 it will be a net oil exporter.

However, other scenarios like massive inflation will follow only after certain acts. US will not allow such acts and will threaten nuclear war the moment "one or two" such acts occur.

Better would be call from Kremlin to White House mentioning that Ruskies are going to supply Syria with really advanced stuff. Rest will be for US military to calculate and have a powerpoint presentation to the President. With outside help, Syria war can go on for long long time. Blowing ME in smokes while Russians will laugh all the way to the banks selling their oil and gas at 5 times the prices.

reply to post by Zaphod58


That the Russian ships might be unable to damage or blockade Venezuela makes very little difference to the content of my post - so, this is basically a straw man.

The main facts are that Iran and Syria can stop most of the oil flow from the ME - that is the main issue, and the great danger faced by the US and its criminal alliance if they support their terrorist mercenaries in Syria.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Ah... so an anti-assad ATS member finally admits that Syria is full of terrorists...

Finally? I've been saying it for months, if not the past year. Unlike some, I'm not blinkered into a black and white scenario, either way. There is the Assad regime, which is horrible, there are pro-Democracy factions and there the Jihadi's.

Yes, the whole thing is a mess and we haven;t helped with the hand wringing on the sides which has allowed the worst types of humanity to flourish in the chaos.

My own preferred solution would be an intervention that stopped all sides from fighting, enforce a ceasefire and get everyone round the table. That is what the West should be doing - we might actually get some credibility for that.

you know they could just concentrate on aiding the refugees and let the fighters in syria on all sides work out their own affairs since it's the civilians we SHOULD be concerned about.

The US isn't concerned about those civilians. It's just propping that idea up to save face.
The US is the last ones to be encouraging a cease fire. they don't WANT a ceasefire... they want Assad out and for all those who keep saying Assad is so horrible with very little to back it up, the reason they want him out is apparently because he cannot be suckered into blind western pro-Zionist loyalty. Somewhere in there, there must be some principle. At least he has conviction concerning what he believes and is not just another paid actor.

As for the comments on wanting the US to receive foreign intervention... i understand the sentiment because NO ONE should want western intervention right now. We are like hungry dogs over here looking for spoils because we consume TWICE as much oil as even China and they've got five times as many freaking people as we do. We've got a serious problem over here brewing beneath the surface and it's going to really erupt one day. People can keep turning a blind eye and think everything will stay to their satisfaction but only a fool would believe this.

If i were in another country i would never want US intervention or France or the UK or many other allied countries because they are on a path....an obvious, obvious path. I'm not saying we are full of bad people but there is a plot behind our future intent to remain world leader and it is a cut throat plan without compromise.

Would i take some foreign intervention to put a few war criminals behind bars and get rid of some corrupt corporations? Absolutely.

It is my firm belief that if someone doesn't stop them, they will destroy the world.

I believe we not only commit false flag terrorism but environmental terrorism as well while focusing on China's pollution... while we are actually the largest overall polluters. I'm going to quote an article that talks about the DOD being the largest polluter and with the way the dept of energy keeps a lock down on how energy is extracted and created around the globe, our dept of energy and automotive industry is contributing to so much pollution, all in the name of feeding the oil companies with wealth... that the US is going to wind up destroying the planet.

I mean is it even dawning on Americans in here that there is no reason we should not be driving more affordable fuel efficient cars? A good percent of the rest of the world is... why not us? I don't need to tell you the answer. Somebody has GOT to get control of all the oil and start phasing it out. It's not going to be US. many of our leaders and CEOs should be in prison.

The US military is responsible for the most egregious and widespread pollution of the planet, yet this information and accompanying documentation goes almost entirely unreported. In spite of the evidence, the environmental impact of the US military goes largely unaddressed by environmental organizations and was not the focus of any discussions or proposed restrictions at the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. This impact includes uninhibited use of fossil fuels, massive creation of greenhouse gases, and extensive release of radioactive and chemical contaminants into the air, water, and soil.

i won't even get started on the fact that haarp is putting unnatural frequencies into our electrojet so they can look underground... cause they are all paranoid. they damn well ought to be.

Step on Syrian soil and i bet all those ALquida and Taliban fighters in the FSA is really not going to be too friendly ...
The Middle east and its oil fields are going to burn to the ground...