Okay, so I do realize that this forum is "US Political Madness", but...

reply to post by BritofTexas


I've been around here long enough to know, before Obama hating there was Bush hating. That's how it goes.

"You have been here a year longer than me, so if you did indeed vote Obama in 07 and are not Partisan, you should understand where I am coming from."

What is to know? That people are bashing the current president and you don't like it? This president is horrible in my opinion, does that make me partisan? And yes I voted for him! Once!

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

Gun control
Money control
Climate control.
Corporate control.
Healthcare control.
Education control.

Corporate control through:
Gun control
Money control
Climate control (denying there's a problem)
Healthcare control
Education control

Fixed it for ya

So couldn't answer a simple question ?

What is center about the lefts 'god' complex ?

reply to post by AlienScience


On Syria. First off I originally said the Administration not Obama. Go back and reread what I posted on page 4. Now recently the Administration (notably John Kerry) has gotten on television and basically said the same thing. They've already made up their minds that the government is at fault. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Why can't we wait until the UN investigation is over before speaking out like this?

I'm confused what is wrong with the ideal of "you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone"? Because pretty much all Libertarian ideals echo that sentiment.

The skewing of statistics and events blown out of proportion go hand in hand. You seem to have misunderstood my point. I understand that these events were terrible tragedies and I'm not trying to suggest that they weren't. But for example, after the Sandy Hook shooting all of a sudden we get slammed with a massive push for gun legislation on "assault rifles" even though most likely only pistols were used in the shooting. Obama comes on television with a bunch of children to support the anti-gun push to appeal to emotion. Then to further drive home, the administration conveniently disregards various statistics like the dropping violent crime rate in our country or the high crime rates in cities with high gun control. That is what I am talking about when I said skewed statistics and events blown out of proportion. There are similar stories for the other things I posted as well. In other words the ends justify the means. Who cares that you are more likely to die in a car accident then get shot in a mass shooting or even a just a regular shooting for that matter? Guns are bad!

Why are you shocked that I support Universal Healthcare? Maybe you've been a Democrat for too long, but you see in the moderate mindset we can pick and choose our positions and don't have to toe the line with whatever nonsense the politicians that represent our political party are saying. Universal healthcare is a good thing, I see no reason why people should be denied the basic right to survive something that we have the medical expertise to provide for all because they can't afford to pay for it.

Your analogy on spying is a little inaccurate. That wiretap you mentioned in your example came with a little caveat. You see in order to install it, the police needed a warrant to do so. With the NSA spying, they can just up and do it and then don't have to say why they are doing it.

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by SunnyDee
reply to post by AlienScience

 

My point was in response to the other poster. If you don't understand my meaning, this is it. Constitutional libertarian is not a buzzword. It stands for those that have libertarian views in line with the constitution. Some libertarian views are quite extreme and would not necessarily be in line with the constitution.. And those like me that see ourselves lately as more CL than any other party, vote with our conscience and not with one party.
The poster I responded to made a ridiculous statement that everyone that claims CL is really just part of the GOP.
I personally voted Libertarian in this last election. Voted RP in the primaries.

Ron Paul is a Republican not a Libertarian.



"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
William Shakespeare

Yep, you are pretty smart. I also know he ran in this last election as (R) because he figured out that no other party can win. I voted for the guy that spoke my language, no party affiliation involved for me, but you can manipulate that however you like. Go for it.

reply to post by neo96


Seriously?
. . .

reply to post by SunnyDee


Ron Paul was in Congress

1976-1977
1079-1985
1997-2013

He was there for a total of 13 years.

All of them as a Republican.

Libertarian? No.

Establishment Politician on the Gravy Train? Yes.

reply to post by Indigo5


Oh investment is happening!

It is simply happening overseas where Obama pushed it with the highest corporate. taxes in the world

Originally posted by SunnyDee

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by SunnyDee

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by SunnyDee
If you think Benghazi was a non-scandal, you don't understand the true implications of all the actions that took place in that event.

I have actually delved down into the testimony,transcripts, and documents of the 15 plus investigations and hearing the GOP sponsored...the assertation that the President of the United States gleefully allowed Americans to die is false. And the real scandal is the stark difference between how a terrorist attack is recieved by the GOP depending on whom is in the Whitehouse.

please post some of your findings. I'd really like to see the most significant, seriously..

PM me what you think supports the specific claims of Scandal with Benghazi, what exactly you think the scandal is and why and I can respond via PM...It's a much bigger discussion...and I am not going to bury this thread with off-topic Benghazi links or excerpts.

I think you have just dodged my question. That is not right.

WHAT QUESTION??? You claimed that Benghazi was some sort of non-specific "Scandal".....WHY?

You want me to ramble on with dozens of links making a case for what??? Reality??

Let me know what the conspiracy was with Benghazi...and I suggested PM cuz it will derail the thread...Not good at real conversation? Only fluff posts like this last one?

What was the conspiracy with Benghazi? Be specific.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
You don't have to bog this thread down, just name one or two of the GOP sanctioned report sections that prove your point.

All of them? This is a sky blue argument. Again...what was the conspiracy? Or the Scandal?

Originally posted by SunnyDee
If you are not willing to back up your comments when you clearly state you have done a lot of research on GOP sanctioned reports on Benghazi, you are not believable. Like I said previously, I don't think you have any interest in learning any truths, or sharing apparently.

Derail much??? What do you think was the Scandal of Benghazi? That Americans died? Hell we have had more congressional investigations about Benghazi than 9-11!

Spit it out...what is your claim about Benghazi? Pick one...

Otherwise you are asking me to write a short book on the topic.

I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

Originally posted by Diisenchanted
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Oh investment is happening!

It is simply happening overseas where Obama pushed it with the highest corporate. taxes in the world

Yes...Like those job creating wealth shelters Romney and his ilk have in the Caymans? Oh that's right...that was American workers wealth that they created, before Romney chop-shopped those companies, voided pensions and ran with the money to foriegn shelters.

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

Oh I want to take a stab!

Liberals value what conservatives say and do too much

This thread proof enough ?

Originally posted by Indigo5
Let me know what the conspiracy was with Benghazi..

Oh come on ..... even you must be able to see the fact that the administration tried to cover it's incompetence by blaming a terrorist attack upon our diplomatic staff on a bunch of over zealous protestors that were supposedly out protesting a stupid Youtube video that pretty much no one had seen. Susan Rice made the talk show rounds TELLING LIES to try to cover for the Obama administration. Even you must be able to acknowledge that every person involved who was interviewed, other than Hillary and Rice, said that it was known immediately that this was no protest gone wild ... that it was a massive terrorist attack and our people were left in the field to die. Hillary's response 'what does it matter' ....

Comeon ...

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

That is an awfully broad debate topic.

And it depends on who is defining the "Liberal" or "Conservative" values that are to be debated.

For any type of meaningful debate, you would have to narrow it down to one "value" that Liberals and Conservatives have differing opinions on and allow the Liberal and Conservative to define their own definition of that value.

And then it just comes down to an Individual debating an Individual, because I don't think you are trying to suggest that all Liberals and all Conservatives have the exact same values on every single topic....are you?

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

Hell...I am a Liberal who appreciates Conservative values...

But "Conservative" today doesn't mean fiscal conservatism..it means that Obama is a marxist, gay terrorist born in Kenya.

I find nothing of the virtue of the old Conservative party in the present day one...The "conservatives" who spoke up against the vitriol and dishonesty were run out of the party as RINO's and the "conservatives" who might remain hide in the corners and don't speak up.

"Obamacare" is what "Conservatives" proposed in 1989...The Heritage Foundation even wrote a piece championing it!

Todays "Conservative" values is defined by "Damn the country, Obama must fail"...and the rest of the country is just along for the ride.

Originally posted by AlienScience


That is an awfully broad debate topic.

I know, let's refine it.

And it depends on who is defining the "Liberal" or "Conservative" values that are to be debated.

You define liberal, I'll define conservative.

For any type of meaningful debate, you would have to narrow it down to one "value" that Liberals and Conservatives have differing opinions on and allow the Liberal and Conservative to define their own definition of that value.

'Kay. You just say why being a liberal is better than being a conservative, and I'll respond with why being a conservative is better than being a liberal.

And then it just comes down to an Individual debating an Individual, because I don't think you are trying to suggest that all Liberals and all Conservatives have the exact same values on every single topic....are you?

It always comes down to the individual. Obama, Bush, Limbaugh, Levin, Gutfeld, Mahr, etc.

Let us, you and I, be the shining examples.

Originally posted by Indigo5
"Damn the country, Obama must fail"...

Obama failing to implement his nefarious plans would actually be GOOD for the country.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

Hell...I am a Liberal who appreciates Conservative values...

But "Conservative" today doesn't mean fiscal conservatism..it means that Obama is a marxist, gay terrorist born in Kenya.

I find nothing of the virtue of the old Conservative party in the present day one...The "conservatives" who spoke up against the vitriol and dishonesty were run out of the party as RINO's and the "conservatives" who might remain hide in the corners and don't speak up.

"Obamacare" is what "Conservatives" proposed in 1989...The Heritage Foundation even wrote a piece championing it!

Todays "Conservative" values is defined by "Damn the country, Obama must fail"...and the rest of the country is just along for the ride.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

So I'll pencil you in as a "maybe"?

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.
Liberal values vs Conservative values.
Any takers?

Only if I can bring my lucky Rabbit foot.

Seriously though. Liberal vs Conservative values on what?

Life, the Universe and everything?

Flip top and Screw top toothpaste tubes?

Or somewhere in between?

reply to post by Kali74

As far as the OP is concerned, 100% correct. The political forums on this site are: anything that isn't Right Wing is socialist, communist even Democrats who are largely center with some right and some left. Right Wingers on this site will nail you to a wall if you try to claim all but the sacred few Republicans are right wing, yet Democrats are always Left, Liberal or Progressive or as I mentioned above commie socialists.

Want some whine with that cheese?

WHAT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION?????

D versus R.........................Seriously?

The Constitution pretty much lays out safeguards to prevent everything we are arguing about!!!!

For Christs sakes! Drop you team affiliations for a moment and read what that great document of the "Free World" says!!!!!

BOTH parties are doing a great job destroying it! But hey, I guess being willfully ignorant to a team mentality is more important?

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by beezzer
I'd like to challenge (from this bevy of liberals) someone to a debate.

Liberal values vs Conservative values.

Any takers?

Hell...I am a Liberal who appreciates Conservative values...

But "Conservative" today doesn't mean fiscal conservatism..it means that Obama is a marxist, gay terrorist born in Kenya.

I find nothing of the virtue of the old Conservative party in the present day one...The "conservatives" who spoke up against the vitriol and dishonesty were run out of the party as RINO's and the "conservatives" who might remain hide in the corners and don't speak up.

"Obamacare" is what "Conservatives" proposed in 1989...The Heritage Foundation even wrote a piece championing it!

Todays "Conservative" values is defined by "Damn the country, Obama must fail"...and the rest of the country is just along for the ride.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

Really is amazing some people actually believe this hyperbole and vitriol, and I am not talking about conservatives.

I have no doubt you do appreciate conservative values.

Give the opportunity to tell us how 'wrong' we are all the time.