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This history has been told before, but Katznelson offers a penetrating new analysis, supported by vivid examples and statistics. He examines closely how the federal government discriminated against black citizens as it created and administered the sweeping social programs that provided the vital framework for a vibrant and secure American middle class. Considered revolutionary at the time, the new legislation included the Social Security system, unemployment compensation, the minimum wage, protection of the right of workers to join labor unions and the G.I. Bill of Rights.
Even though blacks benefited to a degree from many of these programs, Katznelson shows how and why they received far less assistance than whites did. He documents the political process by which powerful Southern Congressional barons shaped the programs in discriminatory ways -- as their price for supporting them. (A black newspaper editorial criticized Roosevelt for excluding from the minimum wage law the black women who worked long hours for $4.50 a week at the resort the president frequented in Warm Springs, Ga.)
www.nytimes.com...
Originally posted by ButterCookie
Whites never became the poster child for welfare because when the program was first started, they used it as a temporary tool, where as blacks (as by lead liberal policies) used welfare from cradle to grave.
Truth be it told, there ARE more blacks on welfare than whites...
Blacks make up less than 14% of the country, whereas whites consist of over half of the population. Both groups have nearly 39% of their population on welfare. If black recipients are 40% out of an only %14 of the population, and whites recipients are 40% of an over 50% of the population, which group has more of its people on welfare?
edit on 26-8-2013 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)
Myth #1: Welfare benefits go to minority women who never leave the dole.
THE FACT IS, MORE WHITES RECEIVE aid than blacks or Hispanics. Two out of three welfare recipients are children, not adults. And contrary to the stereotype of families forever dependent, nearly three out of four women receiving aid get off welfare within two years.
"The white women are invisible," says Nancy Lyman-Shaver, a former welfare mother who now runs a criminal-justice program for ARISE, a social welfare organization in Springfield, Massachusetts.
"They are the daughters and nieces of middle-class, suburban families who end up on welfare because of a divorce or an abusive partner.
"Every family I know has someone receiving AFDC, but no one likes to talk about it."
salt.claretianpubs.org...
Affirmative Action primarily benefits white women says
conservative female author
"I regard affirmative action as pernicious — a system that had
wonderful ideals when it started but was almost immediately
abused for the benefit of white middle-class women. And the
number one sign of it is in the universities. The elite schools
were destroyed by affirmative action for women, not for
blacks."
--Author/lecturer Prof. Camille Paglia
FROM NY TIMES ARTICLE- CITING US DEPT OF
LABOR STUDIES
Reverse-discrimination claims fell into two categories:
individual decisions in which a white man asserted that he
would have been hired for a job had he been black or female,
and cases that claimed programs or plans unfairly favored
women and minorities.
“Many of the cases were the result of a disappointed applicant
failing to examine his or her own qualifications,” Mr.
Blumrosen wrote, “and erroneously assuming that when a
woman or minority got the job, it was because of race or sex,
not qualifications.
Affirmative action has caused very few claims of reverse
discrimination by white people, according to a draft of a report
prepared by the Labor Department. The author says his findings
poke holes in the theory that affirmative-action programs
unfairly benefit minorities at the expense of white workers.
The report, prepared by a law professor at Rutgers University,
Alfred W. Blumrosen, found fewer than 100
reverse-discrimination cases among more than 3,000
discrimination opinions by Federal district and appeals courts
from 1990 to 1994.
A "high proportion" of the reverse-discrimination claims lacked
merit, the review found. Reverse discrimination was
established in six cases, and the courts provided appropriate
relief in those cases, it said.
www.nytimes.com...
Originally posted by Spider879
THE FACT IS, MORE WHITES RECEIVE aid than blacks or Hispanics.
non-Hispanic whites made up 39 percent of welfare recipients in 1992,
non-Hispanic blacks totaled 37 percent,
and Hispanics were 18 percent.
But back to the thread. The affirmative action in question, targeted to whites specificially, doesnt happen any more because it is racist.
The current affirmative action, targeted to blacks specifically, still happens because to take it away would be racist.
Who are the Intended Beneficiaries of Affirmative Action?
Contrary to popular belief, African Americans are not the sole, or even the primary, beneficiaries of affirmative action. Rather, a wide range of groups have benefited from these policies which promote equality by directing resources, outreach and other opportunities to targeted under represented communities.
These groups include women, Blacks/African Americans, Hispanics/Latinos, Asians/Pacific Islanders, and American Indians/Alaskan Natives. Other underrepresented groups include veterans, disabled veterans, veterans who served on active duty during a war or campaign, veterans who participated in a military operation for which an armed services medal was awarded, pursuant to Executive Order 12985; and recently, separated veterans.
According to the United States Labor Department, the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women. The Department of Labor estimated that 6 million women workers are in higher occupational classifications today than they would have been without affirmative action policies
www.ncsu.edu...
Nothing is more freighted with meaning for our own destiny than the revolution of the Negro American...In far too many ways American Negroes have been another nation: deprived of freedom, crippled by hatred, the doors of opportunity closed to hope...But freedom is not enough. You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: Now you are free to go where you want, and do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please. You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others,' and still justly believe that you have been completely fair...This is the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity. We seek not just legal equity but human ability, not just equality as a right and a theory but equality as a fact and equality as a result...To this end equal opportunity is essential, but not enough, not enough
Where to start...
First off you are mixing two different things here. The New Deal and Affirmative action. Here is the difference
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
So the New Deal was meant for All americans to help get us through the depression, addirmative action was made for blacks.
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by Superhans
Where to start...
First off you are mixing two different things here. The New Deal and Affirmative action. Here is the difference
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
So the New Deal was meant for All americans to help get us through the depression, addirmative action was made for blacks.
I started off with the New Deal as an example of government great society programs which many opposed as a matter of principle,
Who are the Intended Beneficiaries of Affirmative Action?
Please klk the link www.ncsu.edu... re-posted here.
And by share numbers more whites are on welfare than Blacks.
Numbers need to be put in context which is why we do things on a per-capita basis. since blacks don't make up more than 10-12% of the population there should be no reason why there are more than 10-12% on welfare. Just get over it.
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by Superhans
Numbers need to be put in context which is why we do things on a per-capita basis. since blacks don't make up more than 10-12% of the population there should be no reason why there are more than 10-12% on welfare. Just get over it.
Because the poverty rate was over 33% and given the historical reasons for that see the above link with the book..btw why 38% of Whites on welfare given that they had an historical head start.
Because stupid people of every race think its easier to blame their problems on skin color or even the history of their race.
But to answer your question, since there are more white people period, there will be more white people in every income group.
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by Superhans
Because stupid people of every race think its easier to blame their problems on skin color or even the history of their race.
But to answer your question, since there are more white people period, there will be more white people in every income group.
So you think history even recent history had no baring on present conditions and mind you I know the historical reasons why there are so many whites on welfare..and where they tend to be located.edit on 28-8-2013 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)
Not at all. Im a responsible person so therefore i take responsibility for my condition in life. The second you start to blame others for your shortcomings you are actually giving them the power to do so. Which is why racist black people that blame slavery and racism for their short comings in life are no better than the racist whites who blame minorities for taking their janitorial position at the local fast food place.
Not just a matter of blame or finger pointing but thinking beyond the surface of how things came to be
,example why were the majority non slave owning Southern Whites tend to be poorer than Northern Whites was not because they were historically lazy or stupid but because of depressed wages due to slavery even after official slavery ended Peonage ensued free labor could not compete even skilled free labor,so while they were socially superior they lived on the economic margins it is mainly the descendants from these classes that ended up on welfare.
What is extremely painful is those ex slaves who rolled up their sleeves went to work were as industrious as any new comer immigrant community ,were forced or kept into poverty by laws meant to re-enslave them,they had their communities destroyed if they showed any sign of progress or independence (Black Wall Street) many of them ended up in ghettos abandoned called lazy and used as an example of an inferior human being,the reason why the black elites following the decades of reconstruction concentrated on the political was because they had no choice,if they wanted to forge ahead they had to try and change the system what was the use if they had money but at any moment Anglo Europeans could confiscate property at will for back then Black people had no rights White people were bound to respect, and what new comer communities need to understand, is because the African Americans fought for those changes they could come and concentrate on the economic or education,so knowing this pains me when I hear folks even from my own community pointing fingers saying look at these "yankees"..(derogatory remark for African Americans in Caribbean communities) who have been here so long and yet remain in poor and under educated.
And all of that has nothing to do with anything, its 2013- GET OVER IT. Look at our president, look around you and you will see that most of the US has gotten over it. All this pretending to have some pain over some crap that happened to people that you were related to is doing nothing but holding you back. This attitude is really no better than the racist rants that drunked red necks give.
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by Superhans
And all of that has nothing to do with anything, its 2013- GET OVER IT. Look at our president, look around you and you will see that most of the US has gotten over it. All this pretending to have some pain over some crap that happened to people that you were related to is doing nothing but holding you back. This attitude is really no better than the racist rants that drunked red necks give.
Some of these events happened within a couple of generations there are folks who went through this still living,and it is mostly unacknowledged much less dealt with..and no given the remarks of some here even on ATS alot of Americans have not gotten over it. a black president or not sticking our collective heads in the sand and pretending that we are post racial so as not to find solutions is what keeping all of us back IMO.
reply to post by Superhans
There are numerous programs, and policies that permit black people to get handouts and job placement JUST because they are black the that is the exact opposite of oppression.
This thread started with the ill-informed idea that there are more whites on welfare that blacks and that affirmative action has something to do with the new deal. So keep coming with the misguided ideas, been fun so far.
We have even made the butchering of the English language an official language (ebonics).
So keep coming with the misguided ideas, been fun so far.
I explained why the new deal was a precursor to Affirmative Action see above that whites make up more people on the welfare roll that's also fact.
And I started this thread because you and others in discussing issues of crime and punishment for three local thugs just throw in the matter of Affirmative Action in the pot, with the belief that's it's a Black thing
Now we go on to ebonics..while I do believe studying the speech pattern of Black Americans from an anthropological POV see Gullah and Geechee language no one I know entertained the idea that it should be used as an official language.
And keep with that denial ..and yes it has been fun.