Proof we were Created - Yes, I said Proof!

The Bible is not proof, the Torah is not proof - the Universe and the Math contained therein is suggestive evidence - stop trying to convince people to believe - they are on their own path, and will see at their own rate. Sawdust and Timbers, hey?

The Torah is proof that Amenhotep III / Akhenaten / Moses knew his maths - thanks to his Mystery Teachings.

Get it straight, or you will find yourself lost, thirsty at the Trough of Truth.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Do you remember where it said "Count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred three score and six (666)

Isn't it interesting or not, that if you give the alphabet A,B,C etc etc starting with A a value of 100 so a=100 and b=101 and c=102 etc etc right up to Z =125 ok and choose the letters H I T L E R who some might say was a beast well if you calculate the values of the letters in that name you get 666, I thought that was interesting... and it makes just as much sense as your idea of proof of us being created... methinks so anyway

reply to post by EnochWasRight


You should watch the movie called Prometheus
You will love it

reply to post by Xtrozero


This is what I and others have been trying to say, yet it seems to be beyond the understanding of the OP.

OP, can you provide of proof of God's existence? If you want any of us to believe you, you will have to prove that the premise for your argument is factual.

I could just as easily say a Unicorn created us all because a unicorn put some code into a children's book about how unicorns created us (never mind that I'm the one who wrote the book and had an interest in code so I use words and numerology to make it more interesting).

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Are you going to ignore this post too, Enoch? I want to see how you respond, I want to see how you defend yourself. The strategy mentioned in that post is a strategy you've used in all of your threads. ALL of them. You present opinion as fact, ignore all of the possible answers except for one you whip out of the blue, the one you want us to see, treat it like the only obvious conclusion, and treat anyone who questions it as though they are being deliberately unhelpful and are just trolling.

You are the man who cried wolf and sneered at everyone who tried to show you the truth of the matter. Perhaps because you already know what you are doing. But come now, answer ToTheTenthPower's post. He has challenged you. I think he deserves an answer from you. Just click the link, because he's only telling you what the rest of us have been trying to say.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

The funny thing is, many people read and get it. They just don't reply. To me, the point is to see the reflection between truth and error. Those who see the reflection can then know the difference and rise to truth. I believe that many do rise. Even those who pretend to be ignorant will eventually see the truth when Christ appears. Revelation makes it clear that multitudes repent in the tribulation times. Specifically, it will be because of our witness here.

That's what I like so much about you and a very few oithers on ATS.
You're words are easy for me. Wise as they are correct. Good job my
friend. Indeed.

Originally posted by Spacespider
Religious texts is as much proof as Lord of the rings really happened
The movie is proof

That has to be the best, most concise explanation of religious texts as proof argument I have ever heard, Bravo.

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by Spacespider
Religious texts is as much proof as Lord of the rings really happened
The movie is proof

That's why archaeology is helpful... I didnt know they found helms deep or the shire...

But they have found a surprising number of locations and evidence of the people that exisited in the bible, not bad for a book of "FICTION".

I don't believe in budahisim but I'm not going to dismiss the philosophy or wisdom it may contain off hand, it would be rather shallow and ignorant of me to do so.

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It's not like authors to this day don't put real life characters in their books. Just because Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter was put into book form doesn't mean that it's real.

But the part that irritates me most, is people actually willingly swallow this garbage. Even the mods agree its trash. And yet people swallow it because its a comfortable lie.

No wonder this world is going to hell in a handbasket.

reply to post by randyvs


I think you've got a case of the confirmation bias.

Does God need proof? I thought it only takes faith.
That's not meant negative, faith is something good.

People have faith in society.
People have faith in friends.
People have faith in mankind.

Etc.

I think everyone is free to believe what they want.
Unless that means people forcing their beliefs on others.

That's one problem I have with Abrahamic religions.
I'm not allowed to believe in other Gods.

There's nothing wrong with letting people question their beliefs or let them think about it.
But in your post you are like "this IS the TRUTH", instead of "I believe this is the truth".
That's a notable difference.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

There are volumes of information on the internet that could be used in support of accidental, spontaneous or naturally selected genesis.

So you're telling me that you are choosing to ignore these volumes of information until someone posts it in this thread? Come on, that's intellectually dishonest and you know it.

Why are you asking for someone to disprove your theory (and that's exactly what it is, a theory) if you know you're going to end up rejecting it anyways? You already have your mind made up, and the overwhelming disagreement in this thread so far shows that you are going to stick to your guns no matter what.

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Volumes of information only show adaptation to environment and not the cause of chemiosmosis in the cell. To get anywhere near natural selection to our present day life forms, you need to first get past the ATP Synthase factory of the cell. The theory of evolution rests on grandiose theory to avoid the obvious. We are programmed from information and is our governed environment.

Deny ignorance and see the evidence and where it points.

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

man wrote the bible..

man wrote all the religious texts.

they have nothing to do with "God".

they have to do with control. power. greed.

nothing good has ever come of them.

all your word play does nothing

but prove ANY truth has been

hidden...

The tyranny you are facing from government is opposed to the truth of scripture. Scripture holds the solution. You are saying that the scriptural truths cause the control from tyranny. The evidence does not support this.

Originally posted by flipflop
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Do you remember where it said "Count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred three score and six (666)

Isn't it interesting or not, that if you give the alphabet A,B,C etc etc starting with A a value of 100 so a=100 and b=101 and c=102 etc etc right up to Z =125 ok and choose the letters H I T L E R who some might say was a beast well if you calculate the values of the letters in that name you get 666, I thought that was interesting... and it makes just as much sense as your idea of proof of us being created... methinks so anyway

In Hebrew Gematria, Hitler is 222. In English, it is

h 48
i 54
t 120
l 72
e 30
r 108

432

I didn't create the system. I didn't write the Hebrew. The systems for both gematria and linguistics are well established systems.

Originally posted by Spacespider
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

You should watch the movie called Prometheus
You will love it

I watched it on opening night. It was a good movie. I can't wait for the next one to come out.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Are you going to ignore this post too, Enoch? I want to see how you respond, I want to see how you defend yourself. The strategy mentioned in that post is a strategy you've used in all of your threads. ALL of them. You present opinion as fact, ignore all of the possible answers except for one you whip out of the blue, the one you want us to see, treat it like the only obvious conclusion, and treat anyone who questions it as though they are being deliberately unhelpful and are just trolling.

You are the man who cried wolf and sneered at everyone who tried to show you the truth of the matter. Perhaps because you already know what you are doing. But come now, answer ToTheTenthPower's post. He has challenged you. I think he deserves an answer from you. Just click the link, because he's only telling you what the rest of us have been trying to say.

Stating that delusion is resting on those who ignore truth is not using ignorance to form my opinion. The OP and all my replies are founded on the cornerstone of truth. I do not found my posts by attacking others. Stating the case for how to spot delusion is much different than telling someone they are wrong because they are delusional and then leaving it at that. My posts have outlined the answer to the question of why and not an attack of character. Everyone answering any post on ATS can deny ignorance. It's accomplished with truth and context, centered on the particularization of what is evident by connection.

Fell free to address the OP when you get a chance.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

The funny thing is, many people read and get it. They just don't reply. To me, the point is to see the reflection between truth and error. Those who see the reflection can then know the difference and rise to truth. I believe that many do rise. Even those who pretend to be ignorant will eventually see the truth when Christ appears. Revelation makes it clear that multitudes repent in the tribulation times. Specifically, it will be because of our witness here.

That's what I like so much about you and a very few oithers on ATS.
You're words are easy for me. Wise as they are correct. Good job my
friend. Indeed.

Thank you much. If the souls reading these threads only knew what we are seeing in the future, they would do as we are doing and fall on our knees in thankfulness to God for suffering our natures.

1 Corinthians 2

6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The bell of truth is best rung when needed. These verses ring true by context.

They are the same, as are 99.9%, as the original.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


I did see where this was true especially when the book of Isiah was compared especially due to the volume of it found. The key here to what I'm addressing though is that the words and message is the same. When your dealing with "bible code" the letters have to be the same or the spacing changes overall and the code is null. Micheal Heiser had a nice illustration from Isiah to show that while the message is unchanged the spelling is and the spacing for the code your vid is promoting become not true.

www.michaelsheiser.com...

Think it was 13 verses with 100+ variations. While the code is interesting I think one must be careful to call proof of when there is a large conflict of data.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


This statement goes against scripture. Read Romans 13, it deals with all governing authorities being servants and agents of god. Does this scripture still apply today? If not, why?

Matthew 11
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

The theory you put forward is neither easy nor light, it is convoluted and bogged down with unnecessary loops and knots. The truth is simple, not complicated.

Originally posted by drivers1492

They are the same, as are 99.9%, as the original.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

I did see where this was true especially when the book of Isiah was compared especially due to the volume of it found. The key here to what I'm addressing though is that the words and message is the same. When your dealing with "bible code" the letters have to be the same or the spacing changes overall and the code is null. Micheal Heiser had a nice illustration from Isiah to show that while the message is unchanged the spelling is and the spacing for the code your vid is promoting become not true.

www.michaelsheiser.com...

Think it was 13 verses with 100+ variations. While the code is interesting I think one must be careful to call proof of when there is a large conflict of data.

What I have outlined has nothing to do with Bible code, although Missler may have covered this topic. The codes are amazing if true. I cannot say for sure because this is out of the realm of observation. We simply take the word of those who write the software. I work from a different layer of truth than this. My threads always look at what we can see in root position. I deal more with linguistics and morphology. This is easiest to see by the common man and has no room for refutation. It just simply is. Nothing we can say will change the fact that Father in Hebrew is Aleph Bet and Word is the Son (Bet Nun). Bet is house and nun is seed. This is obvious to anyone who can research the Hebrew. As for the mathematical significance Missler uses with dividing the words and the letters, this is also evident. Pi to four decimal places is as close as anyone needs to know what God is hiding in these verses. The same is true with e being so obvious. He is signing his work.