Proof we were Created - Yes, I said Proof!

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Man, I just love it when people manipulate words from the bible to make sense of something. The bending and twisting of definitions puts a smile on my face.

Just tell me a proof where I did not evolve from an ape and I am good to go

Originally posted by drivers1492
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Regarding the short vid of the bible code I am wondering if you can answer a question I am curious about if you know. While searching for these hidden words in the text was the same copy of the hebrew bible used and the results were found in that single copy? Since we are aware of variations of spelling and word additions depending on the one your looking at I'm curious if this is repeated in all of the older copies, just a couple or if multiple were used to get the results. I personally haven't researched that aspect of it and am curious if you had.

The other question I have is where are you getting these word meanings from? Things like river of life and the whole aleph bet is father, mother.....? Please don't link me to one of your threads to explain this particular question if you don't mind I would prefer entomology material external of personal opinion. No disrespect in that is implied you come across as very well read.

The Dead Sea Scrolls demonstrate that the word is accurate and preserved by 99.9% accuracy.

Meanings of Phoenician have been known forever. It is not until recently that we now know that Phoenician is the root of all semetic languages. A guy named Jeff Binner has come out with a good lexicon showing each of the 22 letters of Phoenician as compared to the 22 of Hebrew. They are the same. We know the meaning.

Wikipedia

Letters of Phoenician

Ancient Hebrew and Proto-Canaanite

I have all of Binner's books and you can additionally find this information from many other sources. I suggest buying his lexicon above anything else.

Here is are good threads where I define these concepts:

TAV and Letters spelling Christ on the Cross

Linguistic meanings of the letters.

All of my threads use this information to unravel the mystery. The longer I am doing this, the close I get to the essence of the DNA as a mirror. I am not alone in this as you can tell.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


all "mumbo/jumbo" set aside...no matter how hard we try to "understand" & try to put mans mere science to the test,it is not for us to question,really...just knowing that we will have ALL of the answers-(to me),is good enough..we will understand...in the end.

This is the 5th or 6th time you have definitively stated you possess proof that we were created, and the 5th or 6th time you have failed to provide it. I personally am interested in seeing this proof, but now I get the distinct impression you are just jerking us around. Either than, or you're just losing it, period. Do you ever get tired of this game?

reply to post by EnochWasRight


As far as proof goes Enoch, this is as close as I've seen anyone come. EVER !
If I never get the chance to meet you on this plain. I will on the next. It's sad thing
to see not one mind ever change their opinion on ATS. Even in the face of the
proof they say they need to do so. Lying to themselves, more than anyone else.
I do pity them all.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

I sated in the OP that we overcome by remembering. Amnesia is the wool over your eyes. Part the wool and take a look at yourself in the mirror of scripture. It's important you remember why you are immersed in the water. Rising to new life requires the child to grow up.

All you do it state things, you've never proven anything on these boards apart from yours and other peoples credulity.

Your scripture has yet to be shown to be anything other than the debased scribbles of primitive desert people, especially if compared to the moral tales found in the volumes of The Amazing Spiderman.

A sign of growing up, of having some personal responsibility, is learning the difference between fiction, none fiction and delusion.

reply to post by randyvs

As far as proof goes Enoch, this is as close as I've seen anyone come. EVER !
If I never get the chance to meet you on this plain. I will on the next. It's sad thing
to see not one mind ever change their opinion on ATS. Even in the face of the
proof they say they need to do so. Lying to themselves, more than anyone else.
I do pity them all.

Oh, is that what you call proof? Well, I am most certainly grateful that you are not on the government payroll! Who knows what kind of ridiculous conclusions you'd jump to because you thought you had all the "proof" necessary to reach that answer.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

h, is that what you call proof? Well, I am most certainly grateful that you are not on the government payroll!

For once, we concur.

reply to post by randyvs

1.
evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

Definition of proof. The statement is that we were created. Does the OP establish a fact or truth that supports this statement? I don't think so. Interesting observations, but not nearly enough to make a case. If he can PROVE it, I am willing to concede. But I cannot with dignity call this thread or any of its predecessors "proof of a god". I call it a poor effort and clumsy technique. I even wonder where he got the idea this could be called anything of a respectable investigative approach for something he takes so seriously.

This IS a very interesting read, and it does make me wonder how such a numerical phenomena could occur; but it doesn't lead me to believe in a creator.

This reminds me of the bible codes, words found throughout the bible by using similar mechanisms to what you posted. People called these signatures of the creator also, but neglect to point out that this occurs in numerous texts, not just religous texts.

This reminds of me of something I read once, The Ramsey Theory, which is a branch of mathematics that pretty much says "given enough items to play with, you can pretty much find any pattern you want."

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I don't think so.

Is this what it boils down to AI ? I think not.
It's only when you realize that you yourself are nothing.
That you can begin to realize what truth is.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


I'm making no argument about the meaning of letters and what not, just wanting to see where your getting your info from concerning them. Thanks for the links I will sort through them.

My first question was skipped. I asked "While searching for these hidden words in the text was the same copy of the hebrew bible used and the results were found in that single copy? Since we are aware of variations of spelling and word additions depending on the one your looking at I'm curious if this is repeated in all of the older copies, just a couple or if multiple were used to get the results." I am aware of the comparison of the dead sea scrolls and my question is not concerning if the scripts are accurate or preserved correctly. There is no argument variations occur in different copies, thats common knowledge, those variations will throw off a number count when looking for a "code". Thats why I'm wondering if the results that are presented are off a singular copy of the text or if multiple were used. Just so you understand what I'm asking an example would be....code result a come from text written in 1100 and code b come from something written in 1300. But due to copy variations both results are not present in both copies.

In case you guys missed, there's a rather slick new website that lists the major contradictions in the Bible. Here it is. Some interesting poll data too..

Mathematical coincidences are not proof. Yes, you said proof. Yes, you were wrong and lied in the title. If your post was about bible code and numerology, then just type that as the thread title. No need to be deceptive and trick people by dropping the "proof" word. Honest creationists do not seem to exist.

Edit: Just realize who the OP was. I shouldn't have even responded. He creates the same exact thread every 3-4 months and calls it a different title with similar assertions about proof. Just look at the history. People prove his claims wrong then he disappears for another few months and does it again.

You should also look into the Quran.
Since Hebrew and Arabic share similar letters -Aleph and Alif

This is absurd.

You cannot use the bible as proof of anything! It was written by man. If you were to suggest that man wrote it as inspired by God, you have no proof for that. A text (the Bible) written by man, which claims that God exists without any evidence to prove it, cannot be used as proof that God exists!

Yours is the epitome of a"Begging the Question" logical fallacy.

The idea that numerology exists within the texts is not proof God wrote it. That you are addressing counterarguments with text from the bible demonstrates that you do not understand what evidence is needed to prove God exists.

Your asserting that anyone who doesn't come to the same conclusion you do is delusional is another fallacy which presents a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible to not come to the same conclusion as you and still be of healthy mental capacity.

Reading through this thread it appears to me that a lot of posts on here are so "black and white".

I don't believe that we "evolved" from apes as Darwin suggested.

I do believe that we were "created" by other advanced beings.

Where these beings "God/s"?

Might as well be, to us, back then, anyways.

Do we not as humans today finally have the technology and the know-how to create life from raw DNA?
We do.

We could find a planet with gases, solids and liquids. A planet covered with life forms of all types.

We could take for example, one of that planet's' "pig" like creatures and one of that planet's "monkey" like creatures and using our own DNA create a homnoid with appendages like the monkey and skin and superior organs like the pig. We could combine our own DNA with this and create a hominoid suitable for life on that planet. Well, barely suitable. Much like we are, requiring clothing just to survive in nature....

How's that for "evolving"? Evolving into an animal that can't survive the elements of nature without somehow creating a form of clothing?

I can't think of any other animal on this planet that "evolved" into a scenario as genius as that one.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


"And the Twillinger said unto himself, for there was no other,'I have heard there creatures speak much of their desire for something called gold. I have searched and found what it is they desire. I will make everything round about to be of this think which they want. For these are the first creatures, other than myself, I have ever seen and I wish to please them,"
The next morning the men awoke and prepared to leave this planet. Not having found anything of interest. Just as they prepared to fire the rocket engines, they saw the instrument and everything within the rockets cabin turn to gold.
"Well, I guess we can all return to earth as wealthy men after all," said Williams. "There is more gold here than we could spend in a live time."
Just then the engines roared to life, but the rocket did not move.
You see a rocket made from gold is far too heavy to fly.

This is the last paragraphs fro "The Twilliger".
By using them, what can you prove about the existance of the writer.

it seems like most people are repulsed once they hear anyone trying to PROVE anything using the bible and i used to be one of them (and now i'm more or less repulsed/mildly amused at the attempt to "prove" anything over the internet..)
but now i've come to interpret the original intention of these systems of numerology as nothing more than a tool for people to use in interacting with their reality and not intended to be "proof" of anything. I believe that TPTB twisted these doctrines to appear to have the intention of "teaching the right way to live" because without the original context, these teachings can barely be followed, even after translation.. they contain juuuust enough truth to catch people's attention and entice them into following a dogma that asserts that all other ways of thought lead to "evil"...

I think that the kabbalah and other such systems of thought which share many similar concepts, are intended as tools to be used to effectively contribute and manipulate the universe according to an individual's Will.
if you look at the current systems that use still (a form of) exact numerology such as music theory, architecture and physics, they are the art of manipulating psychological and physical reality with the idea of innovation, but also with the spirit of play and realising the limitless potential of our reality.
ratios can be seen everywhere, but even the numbers and symbols we assign to these ratios are a web of archetypes to explain aspects of experience.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


You are a man of faith whom see's thing's that other's do or can not but try's to show them, Reason will often fall on deaf ears though as the several posts show, thank you for this. S+F and maybe if you knock hard enough one of the faithless might, just might listen and realise you are trying to help them.

Sadly despite the sarcasm of the first post some people actually do believe in the lord of the rings out of misplaced hope and escapism.