American Exceptionalism Exposed - The Hard To Swallow Truths

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Wow,

This is the most blatant, Let's bash America for stars, thread of all time.....and by a mod too.
Shameful.

I would hardly call it a bash America. The OP just presented some FACTS.

Dont like the FACTS? tough.

Nothing stoping you live in your America is 100% perefect fairy land.

Not sure how it went so wrong so fast

The rich took all the money, which lets them control all the leaders. It's very simple. Americans are too stupid so we got screwed. At least I can say I told you so.

reply to post by crazyewok


Thank you, but I ain't no fairy there my dear teddy bear.I read a post about how us old timers liked to oppress blacks by keeping them away from our nuclear family.
Funny how I saw all that nasty stuff on TV but it never filtered down to Albuquerque. I quess thats why I don't get and reject such behavior as a form of insanity.Skin is just skin if it's wearer wants to use it as a social weapon it's his failure. Not mine. That goes to my first childhood Mexican friend,a girl named Judy to my psycho Korean exwife (Don't marry a bargirl)
It is of course correct that an evil system is in play,it's another thing to undermine our ongoing efforts to clean it up by putting us down.The complex wall of laws and secrecy will be hard to crack but we are working on it to make the good stuff from the 50s real for all Americans and the world if they want it.
There are far more of us than them

Originally posted by crazyewok

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Wow,

This is the most blatant, Let's bash America for stars, thread of all time.....and by a mod too.
Shameful.

I would hardly call it a bash America. The OP just presented some FACTS.

Dont like the FACTS? tough.

Nothing stoping you live in your America is 100% perefect fairy land.

Ya charts are made to show whatever someone with an agenda wants.

Here is a real article on American Exceptionalism from Forbes.
Source

Their answer to this standard America bashing technique?

I disagree fully with the often-misstated statistics that suggest we are just another declining country. The statistics quoted are sheer bull.

reply to post by Hefficide


As someone who often doesn’t agree with you, I must admit this is one of the best threads of yours I’ve read.

While I disagree with some of the stats you provided and their source, and find much of the information presented in this thread offensive and difficult to accept, your conclusion is spot on; particularly these quotes:

It is not my desire to bash America at all. In fact my desire and motive is exactly opposite of that. When I find myself seeing troubling statistics, like the ones above, I am filled with a deep desire to FIX these things! To change them! Knowing that we've fallen from grace - and from the top of the heap lights a fire under my ass like nothing else. I want, more than anything, for the natural blessings of this nation to matter for something more than just a new iPhone version every six months and a predictable four comic book based Hollywood mega movies every single summer.

I think it's time for us, Americans, to live up to the destiny and responsibility that was bestowed upon us by right of birth... and to make that birthright matter again.

Unfortunately there are far too many Americans trapped in the current paradigm to ever escape its grasp. I draw inspiration from our American history. It’s not common knowledge but it is a fact that only @ 1/3 of Americans actually supported the American Revolution. That means 2/3 either didn’t want freedom or weren’t willing to fight for it! I think we have about the same numbers today. I’m not advocating revolution at all. I’m simply saying that the will of the few can create the change we seek if we’re strong enough in our convictions.

I stand with you because I do still believe in American Exceptionalism!

S&F

Originally posted by Conquest83
1. You need a Government funded healthcare system. As an Australian it just blows my mind that a person living in a rich and industrialised country would actually be left to suffer (or even worse die), simply because they can’t afford basic medical treatment or some medicine.

But... but..., that's socialism which leads to communism which leads to a dictatorship.

Originally posted by Conquest83
2. Fix your barbaric drug laws and stop imprisoning people for petty traffic fines or whatever. Putting someone in jail is usually going to lower there general quality of life forever and turns petty offenders into hardcore criminals. America’s obsession with law and order is to put it simply, just purely self-destructive.

That's anti-capitlist. You have to keep the prisons full, so the privately run prisons system can make a profit.

Originally posted by Conquest83
3. Tighten up your gun laws. lol, it’s just an endless cycle of Americans living in constant fear, so they load there houses up with easily concealed automatic weapons to protect themselves from the criminal who also has an easily concealed automatic weapon, which was stolen from there neighbours house a few years before.

If you're for any kind of gun control, now matter how rational, you're anti-second amendment and anti-freedom.

Originally posted by Conquest83
4. Raise the minimum wage. The fact that there are a whole class of fulltime workers over there that still can’t afford to pay their bills or barely feed themselves, is just simply unbelievable.

That's wealth distribution which is communism and therefore anti-capitalism and anti-freedom.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


What a load of Rar Rar yanke doodle BS.

The maths of the OP speak for themselfs.


But hey you keep putting your fingers in your ears and humming the American athem

Just try to wake up in 5 years time when you nation goes bankrupt and your propelled into the thirdworld

Originally posted by crazyewok
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

What a load of Rar Rar yanke doodle BS.

The maths of the OP speak for themselfs.


But hey you keep putting your fingers in your ears and humming the American athem

Just try to wake up in 5 years time when you nation goes bankrupt and your propelled into the thirdworld

Well, it will be a new kind of ‘3rd world’ if that ever happens.

Remember, the poor in my country have color TV, a car, a cell phone, internet connection, air conditioning, and a roof over their head.

We will set a new standard for 3rd world! That is American Exceptionalism!!

Originally posted by seabag

I stand with you because I do still believe in American Exceptionalism!

S&F

American Exceptionalism is just a illusion, a illusion based on nationlsim.
At the end of the day being a American does not make one "better" you are the same sacks of meat as anyone else.

What makes one better is not were there born but ones envoromet and that why the USA may not ever be number one again or if it is why it wont be number 1 by far. Yeah the USA could improve alot of things but you also have to factor in the rest of the World (at least the west) has caught up. After world war 2 Europe has pulled together so have other places and well "grown up". You could say American Exceptionalism is real but not unique and has been copied. And now there is British Exceptionalism, French Exceptionalism, Candian Exceptionalism, Norweigian Exceptionalism ect. And that should be a good thing! Maybe one day others in the world will catch up and there will be no need to make graphs and charts cause the diffrences will be so small!

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If the USA goes bankrupt all those colour TV and phones will be useless scrape metel. Unless your slum house has elecricity!

reply to post by crazyewok

American Exceptionalism is just a illusion, a illusion based on nationlsim.
At the end of the day being a American does not make one "better" you are the same sacks of meat as anyone else.

American Exceptionalism is in the hearts of patriots. My paternal grandparents immigrated to this country from Germany. They came here with nothing and raised 12 children without EVER receiving government assistance. My maternal grandfather who also left Germany for the American dream volunteered to fight in WW2 at the age of 35 even though he had 2 young children. He did so successfully and went on to live the American Dream.

That is American Exceptionalism….and in some circles in America, it is still alive!

What makes one better is not were there born but ones envoromet and that why the USA may not ever be number one again or if it is why it wont be number 1 by far. Yeah the USA could improve alot of things but you also have to factor in the rest of the World (at least the west) has caught up.

We started it all!

After world war 2 Europe has pulled together so have other places and well "grown up". You could say American Exceptionalism is real but not unique and has been copied. And now there is British Exceptionalism, French Exceptionalism, Candian Exceptionalism, Norweigian Exceptionalism ect. And that should be a good thing! Maybe one day others in the world will catch up and there will be no need to make graphs and charts cause the diffrences will be so small!

I agree….it has been replicated. We set the standard….and will continue to do so once we rid ourselves of globalist influence.

Originally posted by seabag

American Exceptionalism is in the hearts of patriots. My paternal grandparents immigrated to this country from Germany. They came here with nothing and raised 12 children without EVER receiving government assistance. My maternal grandfather who also left Germany for the American dream volunteered to fight in WW2 at the age of 35 even though he had 2 young children. He did so successfully and went on to live the American Dream.

That is American Exceptionalism….and in some circles in America, it is still alive!

Yeah you see my Great Grandparenst did the same. But it was the UK they moved too. Opened a butchers and there now my family are rather comfortable. Hardly a unique story to the USA.

Originally posted by seabag
We started it all!

Yes and No. The life we have now has been built on over thosuands of years by diffrent countrys.Even Britain made some great constributions like the magna carta (before hand everywere were abolsute dicatorships) and its big crack down on slavery, other countrys have conributed too. The next great idea may come from another place.

Originally posted by seabag
I agree….it has been replicated. We set the standard….and will continue to do so once we rid ourselves of globalist influence.

Or just as likley the next great idea will orginate somewere else. Who knows. America doesnt set all the "standards". The UK has set many our selfs and so have other places. Plus what counts as good standards differs from country to country. Eg alot of European country would balk at the idea of non socliased medical care, some would agree with the USA's. who is right? no one. Who is wrong no one.


If the USA was the only great pace by far then why am I looking at moveing to Canada or Norway? When I meet all USA immagration requiremts and even have a company in the USA that said they want me and will get me a work Visa? Not saying the USA isnt great but its not great for everyone!

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Heff, another fine thread that makes you think.

Because we have seen America at its finer times. Unfortunately, as we grow old, and contemplate how our Country has ever made the steps from great to so-so, we become like this guy.

Statistics? Meh. I really think this is still a great country. Its the greatest in my eyes. I'm bias though. I'm an American. When I look at how bad this Country has become, I get the sobering reminder of Haitians trying to cross a vast stretch of ocean, bypassing the likes of Cuba. Risking almost certain death to get here. WHY?

Why are those in South America risking their lives to cross into this Country? Why are Chinese risking their lives to get smuggled in? There is a reason brother. Because even with all the ills this country has, the infighting, the polarization. It is still the greatest Country. At least to me.

Thanks for listening to the rant. I might be off topic within your thread, but thanks for posting it, and letting me get it off my chest.


Peace

The only thing the US has over third world nations is an economy that supports basic necessity. The extremely poor and literally starving patrons of failed states (i.e. Latin America) risk their lives to come because they are hungry, depressed and suicidal. I've traveled to places like Honduras and Nicaragua, where I personally met with the parents of teens who killed themselves because there was no hope of a future.

One in five American children are poor and food insecure. That represents about 17 million households right here. The rate of poverty is growing as fiscal policy succumbs to elitist politics. Corrupt financial corporations (i.e. Freddy, Fanny) are bailed out at the expense of food stamp and entitlement programs.

In my opinion, the old school argument that America is great because people come here is way out of date with reality. Let's not forget that we received our blessings by taking it from a nation of Native Americans. Our best engineering corporations (i.e. Bechtel, Burns) have destroyed Latin American economies through infrastructure projects that they couldn't pay for.

It's the basic principle of hegemony. Growth and prosperity through parasitic exploitation. Remember the British empire and the slave trades? Your financial success was built on the backs of these emaciated Latinos risking their lives to work for minimum wages in America. It must be quite a feast to sit on your throne and brag about your prowess as a bread winner at the expense of millions.

I don't mean to be rude, but frankly I see your brand of patriotism as rather despicable in obfuscating the deeper issues that eventually makes its full round hurting everyone. Greed is unsustainable because in the end, everyone pays for it. Once the US dollar finally collapses and you can't by fuel, purchase food or pay your water bill for a year, and you have no power to help your kids and grand kids, we'll see how ideal your great America is.

reply to post by crazyewok

Yeah you see my Great Grandparenst did the same. But it was the UK they moved too. Opened a butchers and there now my family are rather comfortable. Hardly a unique story to the USA.

Similar stories….the difference being that the US was FULL of hard working people who wanted FREEDOM from your oppressive rulers in Britain. We successfully fought a war to get away from them then turned around and later helped them…not just once either!!! We’ve been the beacon of freedom and innovation in the world since our inception! No other country has that record of success.

Yes and No.

It’s YES. US took your industrial revolution and created the greatest super power and greatest prosperity the world has ever known.

Look....this isn't a pissing contest. There are great people in all parts of the world. This thread is about American Exceptionalism, something you obviously know nothing about because you're not even American. It is a philosophy and way of life here that you don't understand or agree with. I don't expect you to. Just know that it still exists and it will shine again whether you choose to see it or not.

Originally posted by seabag
[iSimilar stories….the difference being that the US was FULL of hard working people who wanted FREEDOM from your oppressive rulers in Britain. We successfully fought a war to get away from them then turned around and later helped them…not just once either!!! We’ve been the beacon of freedom and innovation in the world since our inception! No other country has that record of success.

Your talking yanky doodle BS.

When my great grandparents moved to the UK around 1930 it was hardly a tyranny. Infact there were no welfare then so Birtain was FULL ofe hardworking people enjoying FREEDOM to. Look at UK/USA civil rights timelines there are very close with some of the mile stones being hit by the UK first

As for innovastion well for every US inventer I can give you a British one.

Originally posted by seabag
It’s YES

No its a YES and NO
You said America started it. No it didnt well not all of it. Its didnt start the industrial revolution only took it and ran with it. And It civil right sometimes were ahead of the UK in some areas (see poor voteing) and lagged behind in others (slavery) or were joint (womens rights).

Originally posted by seabag
Look....this isn't a pissing contest.

The whole concept of American exceptiolism is a pissing contest Otherwise those of us that beleive in British (insert country here) Exceptionlsim should give up lol

Originally posted by seabag
This thread is about American Exceptionalism, something you obviously know nothing about because you're not even American.

Yeah but Im british so I understand British exceptiolism. Same thing. Your no diffrent from me.

Originally posted by seabag
It is a philosophy and way of life here that you don't understand or agree with.

I think very country beleives in something specieal about them. But being a American I dont expect you to understand that concept. Good forbide the rest of the world should be proud or contribute anything.

Of course if American Exceptiomlism is about rewriting history and quoting wrong facts then no I dont understand it and hope I never will.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


The article you sourced does not dispute any of these issues - it merely mentions a few of them and seeks to excuse them by virtue of America having unique or different difficulties to contend with.

To be frank, the article itself is commentary based upon a line from a television show that stated American exceptionalism is dead. I made no such claim... I feel that it's more stagnant and taken for granted.

And, yes... all this from a Mod.

Originally posted by g2v12


I don't mean to be rude, but frankly I see your brand of patriotism as rather despicable in obfuscating the deeper issues that eventually makes its full round hurting everyone.

Really? It worked for years. My "brand" of Patriotism was what our founding fathers put in place.
What part of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is despicable?

You have your opinion, and as you said, "I dont mean to be rude", but your opinion is just that. An opinion that holds no bearing on what I believe, and millions of others believe in. Sorry.

Originally posted by g2v12
Greed is unsustainable because in the end, everyone pays for it.

Greed isn't just an American thing. Its a human thing.

Originally posted by g2v12
Once the US dollar finally collapses and you can't by fuel, purchase food or pay your water bill for a year, and you have no power to help your kids and grand kids, we'll see how ideal your great America is.

Sounds like you have deep animosity for America, and have had it for a long time. That's fine. Your not the first, or the last to feel this way. Don't worry about me. I will survive. Ive had everything taken away from me already in my life. Struggled, and fought back to get it back. You dont know what its like to be American. We always find a way.

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Sounds like you have deep animosity for America, and have had it for a long time. That's fine. Your not the first, or the last to feel this way. Don't worry about me. I will survive. Ive had everything taken away from me already in my life. Struggled, and fought back to get it back. You dont know what its like to be American. We always find a way.

He's in good company. There are a lot of Americans who hate America, too.





That's our problem though. Like you said, we always find a way to succeed because of American Exceptionalism; its in all Americans though many choose not to exercise it.

The Republic is fine as soon as we clear out the riff raff we can start rebuilding infrastructure and then we can safely shoot at highway signs again.
The US dollar is part of a sick system of usury called banking.I don't know of such things. But I am still going to art school and eating plenty of meat so I guess things aren't that bad....I have eaten MREs so I am due.
As to our exceptionalism,that is belief,we have a large populace and we have known NO CASTE SYSTEM other than the capitalism thing EVERY ONE ELSE HAS BEEN UNDER SOMEONES BOOT,All of you,not me and not us. We are in fact seeing a global boot try it's luck,We shall see what happens
So belief in America is as it should be to Americans.As to England I GREATLY respect them despite their language handicap( ) but they are too few to have our kind of strength.Australia is currently hosting a strategic point in our pivot to take on China,.
I doubt the ANZACs will have any love for them and if some do ,I guess,too bad. They hate independent thinking that we excell at ,which is why terrorists want to kill us all...that or they are pissed because they have no lives in their countries so they are taking out on the richest people they can find.
Oh and a sorry about that passed BS world but I will accept NO payback for any of it. But if you want to fight globalists we would love the help.

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