NRA created secret gun database on millions of gun owners

Okay - I see your point!

Thought you were one of these idiot liberal Obama drones but I see your not & the point your driving at & it is well thought out.

I agree with you - lets just say no more list's!

reply to post by Thorneblood


How many before we decide to look at the effects of culture (that doesn't promote responsible ownership but a show of power and respect) and the pharma-lobby?

Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by CB328

 

The NRA is just a marketing tool.

They are only against a list of gun owners if they can incite panic buying of ammunition with it.

Where else are they going to get the mailing list for the "Dere cummin for ar gunz" flyers?

It's a good business model, and this is America, if people are daft enough to fall for it..........

How ignorant.

Why do you people always make fun of gun owners for worrying about them taking our guns when PEOPLE IN POWER FLAT OUT SAY THEY ARE COMING FOR OUR GUNS.

If someone comes up to you on the street and threatens to punch you, should you be made fun of for worrying about getting punched? What the hell man... either your blind or stupid, I don't know which one. The Anti-gun zealots want to take our guns, this is fact, they admit it and proudly state over and over. The only reason they haven't been successful so far is BECAUSE people make a big stink about it.

It boggles my mind people as dense as you manage to survive.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Oh the Pharma lobby lol......
I still believe Brave New World had it right all along and Oxycotin is the real Soma.

Originally posted by peter_kandra
I guess you can infer from it's membership that most people are gun owners, but I'm sure a large number may also simply just be hunters or simply support the 2nd Amendment. The key here is that people voluntarily choose to join an organization like the NRA, and oddly enough, the fine print probably states exactly what data they collect and what they do with it. Most people are just too lazy to read it though.

For those who are interested.
NRA Privacy Policy

edit on 22-8-2013 by peter_kandra because: Updated with NRA privacy policy

A lot of gun stores won't let you use their range or buy a gun from them if you don't join the NRA. Sometimes you are forced into a corner.

reply to post by CB328


Yeah well, are you suprised?

The question is, WHO ordered them to Compile "The List".

The next questions would be "When" and "Why".

Keep your research antennae sparking!

S&F

reply to post by CB328


Wow... You are probably the most Biased member of ATS on this subject...

Seriously are you getting paid for this? If you aren't.. you should be.... You are obviously one of Obama's little pets so you might as well make a living being super ultra left wing liberal...

I hear he is hiring disinfo agents by the truckload these days.

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On topic.. Please explain how having a list such as this would help catch criminals since most gun crime is committed with illegal guns.... You know the kind of guns that wouldn't be on any sort of list.....

Lastly... OOOOh the NRA has a list.... Of course they do.. It's called a mailing list... and all the people that are on the "National Rifle Association's" mailing list are........ GUN OWNERS!!!! OH NO IT"S A CONSPIRACY!!

reply to post by DaMod


I think we are getting to the point were we need to stop the Obama loving crap being thrown at anyone who doesn't immediately agree with some conservative values. I have no issues whatsoever with gun owners, i know many who are wonderful people who wouldn't hurt a soul unless they needed to.

However, that being said, there is a big difference between collecting information on NRA members openly and forming a database of people that includes many non NRA members from information secretly obtained.

If the NRA wants to form a mailing list then all they would need to do is tap their members information which is freely given, but its apparent from the articles on this subject that this isn't the case. Rewarding gun safety trainers for passing on peoples personal information is questionable at best, especially if that information wasn't freely offered by those taking the class. Buying up information from state and county offices while at the same time preaching about the evils of forming a database of gun owners is down right hypocrisy and should seriously make everyone question what the motive is for all of this.

NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam declined to discuss the group’s name-gathering methods or what it does with its vast pool of data about millions of non-member gun owners. Asked what becomes of the class rosters for safety classes when instructors turn them in, he replied, “That’s not any of your business.”

Buzzfeed

This is political manipulation at best and at worse the first stages of the gun registry that gun owners openly fear.

When the Westchester Journal News published an online map of local residents with handgun licenses last year, the paper was excoriated by the NRA and its allies; it eventually took the map down. When Gawker published a similar list—without addresses—of New York City handgun permit-holders last month, we were attacked by Fox News and received multiple death threats. And when the editor of the North Carolina Cherokee Scout dared to request—not publish, but merely request—similar data from his local sheriff, he was forced to apologize and resign; he plans to leave the state entirely.

Gawker

So if journalists do it then hell breaks loose, but when a powerful political lobby does it then its all cool?
If you don't want to implicitly trust journalists then fine, but don't just assume you can trust the NRA either.

Originally posted by Thorneblood

Rewarding gun safety trainers for passing on peoples personal information is questionable at best, especially if that information wasn't freely offered by those taking the class.

Questionable, yes. Unfortunately common. There isnt a group, company, corporation or bureaucracy on this planet that isnt collecting data on as many people as it possibly can. I'm pretty sick of getting these targeted mailers from Peta, the Audubon Society, the Humane Society, the "give an African a goat" people, etc....

BTW, I'm an NRA instructor and not once did I send my class info to the NRA. I never kept any record of attendees. I wouldnt want my info collected and harvested so I treated them as I would have wanted them to treat me.

Buying up information from state and county offices while at the same time preaching about the evils of forming a database of gun owners is down right hypocrisy and should seriously make everyone question what the motive is for all of this.

The motive is always money and power. Doesnt matter who is doing the collecting from the NRA to the Federal government to the Save a Kitten Foundation. The motive is always money and power.

In a perfect world everybody would be minding their own damn business and nobody would be collecting data on anyone.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Amen.

Let me ask you a question cause i am kinda curious on the subject.
Whose gun do your students use? Theirs or yours?

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Amen.

Let me ask you a question cause i am kinda curious on the subject.
Whose gun do your students use? Theirs or yours?

Mine usually. If a student has their own it has to be cleared and inspected by myself or assistant instructor then put away for the duration of the classroom work. For the range time it's under an instructors control the whole time. We have no way of knowing what sort of experience level the student has so it's all safety safety safety. Some find it patronizing. Others just do whatever the instructor tells them.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Ok.
So would it be a stretch of the imagination to assume that at least in some cases where the student brings his own weapon that the information regarding what kind of weapon they are in possession of would be among the information handed over to the NRA?

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Ok.
So would it be a stretch of the imagination to assume that at least in some cases where the student brings his own weapon that the information regarding what kind of weapon they are in possession of would be among the information handed over to the NRA?

That info wouldnt be recorded even if I followed the NRA's data submission guidelines.

I'll see if I have the NRA's form in with my old paperwork somewhere but all it had was a space to fill in numbers in attendance. The instructor books really push you to sell memberships and hand out the NRA membership forms to all in attendance but I never did that.

Nowhere are you asked to enter info as specific as even a name let alone information on the gun(s) used.

Here's the form in PDF format: Instructor course report

The name thing must be newish. It's not on any of my old forms. Just a request for attendance number.

Type of course, where, when, students. That's it.

Here is it as an online form. Names are optional:

(Note: Please indicate "no info" for nonmembers who do not wish to receive NRA membership information.)

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Awesome, thank you.

That is one of the things that had me kind of puzzled as the instructors were going to hand out membership applications anyway. If someone wants to join the NRA thats one thing, that information is freely given, but i have been wondering why the NRA would go to such lengths to quietly collect info on people who are simply trying to be safe and responsible gun owners but might not be interested in getting involved with the NRA.

reply to post by CB328


Yes, but the NRA doesn't have the power to spy on you, over tax you, put you in prison for trumped up charges etc etc etc (the King & I / Yule Brenner manner).

Being pleased at this just shows your ignorance.