Satellites glimpse ultra-powerful “black hole” whirlpools in Atlantic

Originally posted by Lady_Tuatha
Very interesting, I did not know this

The singularities, as they have been termed, last for months at a time, moving across the ocean without interference from other currents. Thus they can transport water of different temperatures and salinity to other areas of the ocean, potentially influencing the regional climate.
Haller and Beron-Vera found that the vortices transported water in a north-western direction 30% faster than had previously been reckoned – at a rate equating to 1.3 million cubic metres of water per second. In addition, the maelstroms were found to occur four times deeper in the ocean than previously estimated; the study found examples as deep as 2000m below the surface.

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I suppose man caused this problem also..........

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Lady_Tuatha
Very interesting, I did not know this

The singularities, as they have been termed, last for months at a time, moving across the ocean without interference from other currents. Thus they can transport water of different temperatures and salinity to other areas of the ocean, potentially influencing the regional climate.
Haller and Beron-Vera found that the vortices transported water in a north-western direction 30% faster than had previously been reckoned – at a rate equating to 1.3 million cubic metres of water per second. In addition, the maelstroms were found to occur four times deeper in the ocean than previously estimated; the study found examples as deep as 2000m below the surface.

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I suppose man caused this problem also..........

Nope.............................Butterflies.

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Maybe its sucking up all the crap that we have put into the Ocean, storing that crap somewhere and then returning the clean water to the Ocean!

In other words we have our very own God made Filtering Device at the bottom of the Ocean.

Originally posted by Argyll
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These are not actual whirlpools visible from the surface but huge areas where vortex like movement of water occurs, sometimes up to 2000 meters below the surface. They can be detected by observing floating debris on the surface, and I suppose by infrared imagery ( they do not mention this in detail in the article ) moving in spiral patterns over 100's of kilometers. There are not ships getting sucked in and you could not even see them with the naked eye. The picture is also very misleading.

Well the article says they are capable of sucking a ship down not that they are sucking ships down.

I agree the image from the article is a little misleading......I just thought it was a cool story, especially the comparisons with the behaviour of black holes.

A good example is that lake that was drained when drillers accidently struck a direct hit on an underground mine.
Sucked all the water out, yachts and boats disappeared, only to reappear months later once the hole had been plugged.

In the oceans, it doesn't take a whirlpool to sink a boat. All it needs is a sudden constant release of bubbles that reduce the density of water, then any solid object just sinks.

I'm not sure where to post this and I can't start new threads since I'm new. I've been watching the SOHO heliographic images the past few days and there is a large object seemingly getting closer to the sun. Is there a better place to post this image and link for discussion?

SOHO

Originally posted by stormcell
In the oceans, it doesn't take a whirlpool to sink a boat. All it needs is a sudden constant release of bubbles that reduce the density of water, then any solid object just sinks.

That's the theory of the release of Methane en masse from the sea bed, well it's not a theory it will work. Dare I say that the BP explosion was a double whammy, perhaps a treble whammy, of what Methane sudden release can do.

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Nah, I think these whirlpools have always been around

damn it spongebob! how many times did i tell you and patrick not to play with the giant plug!

cool pic! thanks for the article!

Originally posted by Marshabar
I'm not sure where to post this and I can't start new threads since I'm new. I've been watching the SOHO heliographic images the past few days and there is a large object seemingly getting closer to the sun. Is there a better place to post this image and link for discussion?

SOHO

Well you are a wee bit off topic, but there is something incoming from the south-east on Lasco, (last few frames available) pretty much the same trajectory as the 19th's sundiving comet, but no noticeable tail as yet. Funny enough, there was a similar tailess object that passed over the top of the sun at the same time as the 19th's comet went into the sun. I don't hear much mention of that. The bright planet traversing right to left I think is Mercury. I see another CME blast as well.

This is all bunk! I saw Mythbusters and they said it could never, EVER happen like this! Surely TV don't lie?! ;-)

You see the depths and the volume being greater than though?!?!

Only Rush Bimbo and Mike Moore-to eat please wouldn't get sucked down!

Derek

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Very cool, but not necessarily true in there comparison and equation to black holes, however I understand that is just an eye catching title for this story, but still interesting none the less. You would think with all the satellites up in orbit they would capture more pictures of these h20 and anything else in the vicinity mass transplanting massive whirlpools.

They have all kinds of pictures from space, you would think they have some pictures of them in action or even vids, I was expecting at least something more in terms of visual references to judge how big they really are, or how powerful. As size does not necessarily mean power especially in centrifugal forces were the more compact they are the more suction force they could possibly have, if they move 1.3 million cubic feet of water per second that does not necessarily mean they have to be huge, just highly concentrated, though I would think the bigger they are the longer they would last. But still something other then a pic which looks like they found on Google would of been nice.

Scientists have known about those for a while. I've never seen photographs of one but I have no doubt if you had one big enough it could pull a ship down.

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I think it would be very hard to find them and track them. I mean it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, it doesn't help that they move around.

But yeah video footage of them as they move would be fun although after watching for a short time it would probably be much of the same over and over again, unless they encountered something substantial.

Has anyone though to maybe drop a wireless high resolution camera into one of these things?? Obviously inside of a strong steel housing of some sort to protect from pressure and impact with debris?? Is there a way for me to get a grant I'll try and get it done myself. Would be nice to get a visual depiction of how it works under the surface and to see what kind of debris has been collected, and to how far down it truly goes.

Maybe with sensors on the outside also to measure density, water temp, speed of current etc. etc...

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Thank you, smurfy for your reply. In the infrared at the SOHO site you can really see the plasma ejection. The planet showed up overnight. One day it's not there and the next day it is midway between edge of image and sun.

reply to post by Lady_Tuatha

ya your right, plus how long do they last? I do not think they last all that long most natural whirlpools last anywhere from a minute or two to at most like 40 minutes or so. In fact not even sure, but not only would it be like finding needles in a haystack you would be on a very tight scheduled even if you do find them. In fact even if you were on a boat and saw a small one by the time you go and get your camera to film it, it could be over. Ah can always go watch the Hollywood made ones.

Random vids of wirlpools the smaller kind, one guy even jumps in and goes for a swim when he sees one.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

ya your right, plus how long do they last? I do not think they last all that long most natural whirlpools last anywhere from a minute or two to at most like 40 minutes or so.

Actually they last for months apparently

The singularities, as they have been termed, last for months at a time, moving across the ocean without interference from other currents.

That picture needs something superimposed onto it to demonstrate scale.

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Well if that is true then they should have some video of them then, even if they happen in crappy weather the odds are that somebody somewhere ran into one of these things. Though if they survived may be debatable. Though nowhere does it say under what climate and weather do these things happen the regular ones seem to happen out of the blue on sunny and blue sky days, and if these things last for months you would think they would have at least a picture of them especially since they say its been happening for some time.

Do you think we could possibly get one of these things to form under the White House?