Columbia, South Carolina Criminalizes Homelessness

Originally posted by Aazadan
reply to post by RedCairo

 

I actually read a story about that a couple months ago. States were buying bus tickets and sending their homeless to Los Angles I think it was. Often times people needing medical attention, the state however realized that it was cheaper for them to simply ship them elsewhere (often times with the person having no money, no identification, and no medication) and let someone else deal with it, so that's exactly what was done.

Wow, so that's still going on! I mean I was talking about the early 1990s. That's 20 years now! Hard to imagine the number of people that have probably been shifted by this time. Or the misery in the cities getting all the influx.

reply to post by HanzHenry


i know that whisky makes about double the tax that oil takes in but i think even the two added and it would struggle with a bloated public service

Originally posted by brookster18
Personally I agree with this, BUT it does sound a lot like a concentration camp to me.

Maybe they should also start sending all the kids that makes streets feel unsafe there too.

And while they're at it all the barking dogs.

Maybe fat people too?

How about slow people and people that cant drive properly.

hhm, im begining to like this concentration camp type idea.

So basically... everyone that's not like you?

Originally posted by Nyiah
I'm a raging Trekkie, and have quoted Trek events before as parallels to actual events, but this move send a chill down my spine. Any Deep Space 9 fan should remember the season 3 2-parter, "Past Tense 1 & 2". These episodes dealt with a Trek-verse point in history called the Bell Riots.

Now, we need to be like Starfleet and become a socialist technological utopia. Well, that can't happen anytime soon. People have been trained to think that compassion is for chumps.

Homelessness isn't so much about those who have a mental impairment, nor about those who are addicts, nor about those who were not born into money,

and neither is it about those, who are in businesses, whom would like to be compassionate ...but are prevented from being so..because they too might end up homeless for being so kind



it is about our present Evil Rulership

our Rulers are all Insane, all Addicts - addicted to occult practices that cannot be repeated...addicted to Power...addicted to Cold Blooded Murder

...addicted to Evil and They love it so

They make the homeless look like kings and queens


and I'm sure if I was living on the street, and rendered so utterly powerless by such Psychopathic Rulers.. and at Their mercy whom have no mercy.....I would want a cigarette, or anything that would anaesthetise me from being victim to such a Malevolent Horror.

reply to post by Sole3


thank you so deeply kind to Him...for His Solution

addicted to occult practices that cannot be repeated.

reply to post by Sole3


and those (unwittingly)...who participate, give focus and energy.....in their worship of Evil..(the Olympic Ritual, snowden ritual, spanish train ritual ....Sandy ritual..etc....etc...and every murderous ritual They have done......and BECAUSE of not understanding and being Tricked humans are giving Them, volitionally ...legal Right...which IS Power...to imprison every soul..

soon, there will be no "own heart"...no "own compassion"...no "own thoughts"...but the One Crystalline Matrix Heart...which will give to your soul...what Evil wants you to "feel...to think...to experience"....that is the "polished cage"...the "flower of life"...and believe me...it will be like going to a store...where only you have the choice of 2 colourless...dull items to purchase...that is how limited.,..the "consciousness" will be



the light workers call it..."Bliss"...or "Matreiya..One Love Consciousness"

no thank you


or as George Orwell calls it.."Big Brother"

or Icke

"Global Nazi State"

but more accurately


Revelations calls it


"The Great Tribulation"..

may you please find His Solution

Originally posted by jazztrance
reply to post by MyHappyDogShiner

 

I personally know 2 homeless people, they weren't homeless before they started snorting oxycontin. Actually I know 3 people who have lost their homes because of that drug, one was a doctor, so he stays with his parents now, so technically he isn't homeless because he has rich parents, without them, he would be homeless.
I don't know what the solution is to homelessness, but one thing is, if they are arrested, they wont stay in very long and they will be fed, bathed and sheltered. Maybe the city should use the money they take to imprison, feed and shelter the homeless and do something better with the money, I just don't know what.
A few miles from here in the country a guy tried to rent an abandoned school and house the homeless in exchange for them working in the factory he was making but he couldn't find anyone who wanted free housing and food in exchange for working a few hours a few days a week, so people in South Carolina, atleast a few, have really tried to help.

edit on 21-8-2013 by jazztrance because: (no reason given)

Your third paragraph is a description of a Victorian workhouse, and also describes slavery in 18th and 19th Century US - except this is the 21st Century.

Same system, just a different group to target. History certainly does repeat itself.

It's only a matter of time before the homeless won't be given a choice, but be rounded up and forced to work in return for the privilege of existing, eating, and breathing our air.

We haven't progressed at all in hundreds of years.

reply to post by doobydoll

We will send them all to live with you! Thanks for volunteering.

Next comes the work house.
just like the Nazis did with the jews.
Then they start disrepairing them.

Admit it...what was the first thing you imagined when you were picturing the 'homeless people' this crap is going to affect?

A filthy dirty, trampish bloke, sitting in a doorway swigging from a bottle in a brown paper bag perhaps?

Well...me too. But let's face it, that's not really the reality of homelessness these days.

Homeless people today are yesterdays middle classes, they are entire families, Mom and Dad and their kids, they are homeless because they've lost everything in the banking scams and scandals including their homes, which are often times stolen out from under them in the US.

Our mental image of what a typical homeless person actually is needs updating.

Another way of looking at this 'law', is that apart from the council members ought to be up on charges for deliberately ignoring a constitution they each swore an oath to defend, they should also be sued and sued heavily if they refuse to provide community or council housing for anyone they are classifying as homeless.

If the council claims being homeless is a crime, then that also has legal implications for any financial institution that wishes to repossess a home, because if they repossess a home, they are technically forcing the occupant to commit a crime...they would then be technically implicated in that crime by having caused it by forcing the person in the house into a 'crime'.

This should be fought and fought vigorously, for if this kind of nimby politics (Not In My Back Yard) gains traction, anyone whether homeless or not will be rounded up for whatever trumped up reason and placed into 'centers' against their will or desire. This is NOT freedom and it certainly isn't what the US claims to stand for.

reply to post by doobydoll


With the slow evisceration and twisting of our constitution/civil rights and liberties I see slavery making a big come-back in the near future. Not ethnic/racial slavery but class slavery and indentured servitude for the benefit of the states. Basically this will be the precedent to go after anyone the state feels is not a "contributing member of society" or a leech on the state coffers. The homeless won't be the only targets.

The indigent, mentally impaired, and medically uninsured (which often go hand in hand) will be the first targets as they can defend themselves least against it. Then statutes targeting those convicted of past petty crimes and those who have or are defaulting on lines of credit will be next in the labor camp lines.

Also, Debter's prison (or a thinly veiled form of it) will make a big come-back, too, and probably before slavery.

I thought California had some pretty oppressive laws and mindsets.

reply to post by Flux8

Basically this will be the precedent to go after anyone the state feels is not a "contributing member of society" or a leech on the state coffers. The homeless won't be the only targets.

I think that there is definitely a pattern emerging with the privatization of prisons etc... let's realize though that while these mandates come through the 'State' they are born of private interest.

Why would a company pay people decent wages to manufacture goods here at home when they can pay a chinese kid to do it for 50 cents an hour... now we're moving into why pay all the shipping cost to have slave labor in China when our prisoners can do it here?

Originally posted by RedCairo
reply to post by doobydoll

 

We will send them all to live with you! Thanks for volunteering.

Is this all you have to say?

Deary deary me.

First they came for the homeless but I did nothing because I wasn't homeless then they came for the Christines
but I did nothing because I was an atheist then they came for me and no one else was left to do anything!
Thank God this is just an old saying!

Funny, the city is actually forcing homeless people to be either in a homeless shelter or in jail. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose, since they'd be getting free housing, food and water if they're sent to jail in the city instead of them actually PAYING for these things within the city (possibly in the downtown area)? Why not get creative and utilize the homeless people so they are of more use to the city, such as creating jobs for them (why not make them work for the CITY?!)? Barring them from the city is quite counterproductive if you ask me, not to mention a waste of time trying to enforce. The city really needs to spend their law enforcement resources to better use, like I don't know why not go after those committing real crimes? Plus, there are already too many people who commit rather trivial crimes in our jails and prisons; why "solve" one problem by sweeping it under the rug and creating a bigger mess elsewhere? This is something I never understood.....

I don't know, these are just my thoughts. I think it's asinine to punish people for being unable to afford a home and whatnot rather than trying to help out those in need in ways that could actually help the city. I mean I don't know about you guys but I think it'd be much more intelligent for the city to come up with ways to stimulate the economy and improve the standard of living rather than simply banning them from the city. When life gives us lemons, one of the best things we can do with that is take those lemons and start up a lemonade stand which hey who knows, could be a big hit.

reply to post by Mads1987

Oh ya you can beet those shelters will if not already just be another place for cheep labor for companies or corporations to use at there disposal, the prison system is already just private enterprise already this to will be nothing more but the same ol, you already have that in the US some states worse then others, were even regular non homeless people have to scrounge by and when there is a job opening you have hundreds of people apply for every one even in the crappy jobs. But I think its time to admit that our societies and cities just are not capable of handling all the people there in, forget what you see on the TV about growth and all that, its nothing but smoke and mirrors. There all salesmen really, that literally is what there job is, to sell bull# to the populous.

reply to post by jazztrance

Some of them are no doubt just freeloader and lazy, but drugs are no joke. Things like crack are 100% addictive, if you think you can shrug it off like it was nothing you would think wrong. And not only that its more easily to get then it is to get bread or food. I used to work in the downtime area at night time for a while, around 3 am or so you can see the dealers and pushers pull up in there Cadillac and BMW dropping off a bunch of homeless kids, men, and women. Its a whole lifestyle, the people who lived in the downtown are would be the buyers, the homeless addicts kids or whoever would be the sellers, prostitution and everything else in between.

So yes they would likely make more money working for the drug dealers then they would for you or in a factory, plus there addicts remember there mostly working for the drugs and an addict would rather have drugs then food if he or she was starving, and not only that they have a bunch of mental problems to boot, if you want to see what some of the more crazier and hardcore drugs can do to people just Google Krokodil they had and have a problem with it ever since they banned heroin and crack people have been adding there own ingredients with disastrous consequences in Russia, they even banned the ingredients to make it, however I think you can buy them at your local stores here in the states. So ya drugs is nothing to sneaze at. In fact there are a few new drugs which kids are using today, such as this one...Salvia Not as dangerous as some of the others, but still not something kids should be playing with like it was cookies.

In fact walking up to a homeless person and telling him to come to this and this address is not so beneficial as you think, you have all kinds of people taking advantage of them, some even in something as simple as promising a job, or some food if they follow them then beating the # out of them. So yes its not all cut and dry, you have a whole atmosphere which is conducive to itself. And to tell the truth not sure if this little plan will help things or just make them worse and more crocked and corrupt. We shall see I suppose.

reply to post by Nyiah

Ditto to that, this just may be shifting the actual problems, and making the criminal focus on a new group of people, once the easy pray is removed.

It's only a matter of time before the homeless won't be given a choice, but be rounded up and forced to work in return for the privilege of existing, eating, and breathing our air.

In previous posts I already had my feelings about it being a concentration camp = horrible.

However, this idea that society is morally obliged to provide free housing, food, etc. to people WITHOUT asking for any form of contribution/work, with the implication or outright saying that that society is basically a labor whorehouse if they actually say "well if you want to get food and housing you have to work" -- to me that is irrational and completely unsustainable as any solution to anything.

Even communism expects people to work -- capitalists are not the only ones who believe in working for a living.

Why is giving welfare ok but asking people to work for it not ok?

Why is not having shelters for homeless not ok, but having shelters that ask them to do something in exchange for that food and shelter not ok either? Why is society allegedly obliged to just TAX people who are working to pay a huge intermediate 'administrative government' and then a small % of that to the end-recipient who doesn't want to work?

And if they WANT to work, why is offering them the chance to work in exchange for not having to starve and sleep on the streets a bad thing?

I agree such circumstances are often abused but the reason I responded to your previous post so briefly was because it had nothing but despising society for daring asking people to work instead of being given things free.