Why are Egyptian Liberals Celebrating a Massacre?

reply to post by DuneKnight


people say, why do not the moderate muslims do something about extremism?

Something was done, they have the right to celebrate victory

Liberals dont want extremism and any reduction in the number of extremist types is a plus for them!

Having said this, 2 wrongs dont = a right.

The Morsi Gov was democratically elected so the majority choice. Therefore the legitimate Gov. However they appeared to be taking Egypt down the extremist route.
Now you have a coup and the killing is seen as just by the libs. Yet seen as deliberate murder by the morsi supporters.
Both sides are wrong in all this, the question for all is which is the lesser of evils in the long run.
What should have happened was the forcing of a Morsi Gov resignation and new elections.
Either way Egypts problems are not going to go away soon!!

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by DuneKnight

 

people say, why do not the moderate muslims do something about extremism?

Something was done, they have the right to celebrate victory

MB are relativity moderate believe it or not. They want to use islam for foreign policy, they dont care about social change. Its all about being pan-islamists. Anyway i doubt you would change your mind.

Same reason US celebrates 4th of July. Freedom is bought with blood.

reply to post by Xeven


Well, these are the bleeding heart types who mourn for the dead British soldiers and cry and wail doing the whole sackcloth and ash thing instead of being out shooting off fireworks....

what can you expect???

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by DuneKnight

 

people say, why do not the moderate muslims do something about extremism?

Something was done, they have the right to celebrate victory

Very well put. This IS what it looks like when Muslims of the moderate majority say Hell No to the Jihadi minority. It's vicious and bloody because Jihadis are like little children when told no. They throw tantrums..which means people get murdered in their case.

I agree.. They have every right to celebrate. If they lose this fight, they will surely die for it....so they definitely earn the right enjoy victory where it comes.

Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by DuneKnight

 

people say, why do not the moderate muslims do something about extremism?

Something was done, they have the right to celebrate victory

MB are relativity moderate believe it or not. They want to use islam for foreign policy, they dont care about social change. Its all about being pan-islamists. Anyway i doubt you would change your mind.

edit on 19-8-2013 by DuneKnight because: (no reason given)

What part of Assassinating Anwar Saddat for making peace with Israel was... AHEM... Moderate? I can go a page or more of the atrocities of the Muslim Brotherhood without going much past the last few years in and out of Egypt. If they are moderate, extreme must look like Satan himself riding in on a flaming horse.

Originally posted by wrabbit2000
Very well put. This IS what it looks like when Muslims of the moderate majority say Hell No to the Jihadi minority

The MB are not Jihadist and the people that are currently dying in the streets are no more,or for that matter less, radical than the people who brought republicanism to North America or independence and new models of government trough the ages. The only reason the badly informed people of the west can be made to believe that the MB is so evil is because true democratic movements have been so displaced by autocratic rule&methods that the only way people are left to express themselves with is trough whatever religious organizations these governments felt were too dangerous too touch or thought would work in general parallel lines.

If the people of the middle east express express themselves trough religious organisations then lets fight with them for better and, and certainly more reliable ( religion has always served as a useful tool to the powerful), democratic means of expression. Remember that the ANC government essentially had several dozen mine workers shot ( by allowing the police so much discretion) to death in defense of the status quo of exploited workers and ever increasingly wealthy corporations. Hell at the one year anniversary of this tragedy they ANC did not even send a representative to speak at the commemorative proceedings! The world is growing more and more autocratic and as Egyptians are showing if you REALLY are willing to threaten autocracy ( and that generally means corporate control) system they will do whatever they believe they have to to keep their control.

It's vicious and bloody because Jihadis are like little children when told no. They throw tantrums..which means people get murdered in their case.

Actually it is the military that is behaving like spoiled brats ( but this is easily hidden behind big guns&pressed uniforms) who are throwing their particular brand of explosive toys out of their cots. The old guard simply refuse to continue in a system where they do not get to call the shots or receive those massive American cash payments that makes their lives so very easy. I mean why would people like that give up their cushy lifestyles only so that the working poor can get some direct control of the government thus perhaps one day enabling real change for Egypt?

I agree.. They have every right to celebrate. If they lose this fight, they will surely die for it....so they definitely earn the right enjoy victory where it comes.

Egyptians much like American liberals in the sense that they have long ago sold out ( media/entertainment/arts/university's/medicine establishments) to the established powers in their respective countries by choosing insulated institutions where they are generally replaced by their kids just as in the case in the more republican military industrial, intelligence complexes. Between these two insulated powers the working poor, formerly called the middle class, seethes in the sense that no matter where they turn they get a manner of sympathy but only in so far as they are willing to work hard for a fraction of their worth with a very small chance of ever truly benefiting or being taken up into these groups.

The problem is that the longer this keeps on the more ACTUAL danger these Egyptians ( or American) liberals/republicans will be in if and when things change drastically as they are indulging in ever more criminal , or at least negligent, behaviour to ensure their places in the proverbial, and slowly declining ( wealth is concentrating at even the highest levels) , sun. Instead of making common cause with those who could greatly benefit from their help and guidance these cowardly liberals, unlike the often predatory republican types, may end up having to pay a harsh economic ( if not blood) price if their full complicity were understood post big economic or political changes.

Anyways i have no sympathy with people who cheers on the type of militarized violence that is going on in Egypt and in many other places in the world. A countries military should not be used in this way and if they are required that just means that the people's wishes are not being met.

Stellar

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Okay, we are going to agree to disagee and accept that we have different opinions. As far as I'm concerned, the Muslim Brotherhood is hand in glove with Al Qaeda in every way but outright operational swapping of men in the field. After all, the brother of Al Qaeda's world leader was captured in a Cairo checkpoint over the weekend. I don't know if they held him (and kudos if they did for the guts that takes in their position) but that removes any possible hint of doubt that the two organizations share more than distant ideas of roughly similar nature.

It does surprise me, given the documented history of murder and assassination the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't even attempt an argument or challenge about, folks would still claim they are not Jihadi.

BTW... Catch them parading the nuns through the street? Class act there...eh? I thought innocents were to be treated with some respect and 'People of the Book' given basic respect at that level. Hmm.. Then again, I've gotten that from moderate figures in the Islamic community. I've never asked a Jihadi......and don't have to now. I just watched the answer.

Agreement to Disagree... Yup.. I don't know where else to go with M.B. sympathizers.

Originally posted by DuneKnight
MB are relativity moderate believe it or not.

Not buying what you are selling.
Islamic Mob Parades Nuns in Cairo as Prisoners of War

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DuneKnight
MB are relativity moderate believe it or not.

Not buying what you are selling.
Islamic Mob Parades Nuns in Cairo as Prisoners of War

edit on 8/19/2013 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

I can't comment on who or what is doing this, MB and every organisation condemned it. There will always be extremists ceasing the opportunity however. The fact that military refused to protect the churches, is indicative in of itself. A reporter on twitter remarked on how eager egy gov was to show him the burned churches. It has happened before, months away from elections that mubarak planed to make his claim for more fascist police state rule:

www.bbc.co.uk...

President Hosni Mubarak has urged Egypt's Muslims and Christians to stand united against terrorism after a bombing outside a church in Alexandria. At least 21 people were killed and 70 hurt in the suspected suicide attack, which happened during a New Year's Eve service at the al-Qiddissin Church. In a rare televised address, Mr Mubarak said it bore the hallmark of "foreign hands" seeking to destabilise Egypt. Several hundred Christians later clashed nearby with Muslims and police.

no group claimed responsiblity and it was the first attack of its kind. A month later however revolution happened, mubarak failed to convince people they still need his protection. Anyway you have to be a bit pragmatic ATS, dont buy into islamophobia too much. These were people who died, some of them liked morsi, some of them only liked MB, some of them liked neither, all of them supported democracy in its truest form.


heres a video of a girl getting shot: www.facebook.com...

heres the daugher of MB leader in protest assassinated: www.youtube.com...

The coup government now are beyond evil, they are experts at torture, they are the ones US used for rendition. You might believe in their cause to rid the world of islamists, but first of all thats not their true cause, they are about power and wealth for the army and industrial "liberal" elite (although there will be contention between them soon). Secondly, the means they accomplish this is beyond inhumane as you already saw, this will only serve to radicalize more people and seed more terrorism the likes of al qaeda, and that is their true intention as well, to ensure they stay in business for a long time. This same purge of islamists (although much more subtle and less violent) happened in the 70s, and now we have al qaeda out of the dust from that era.