People Programmed To Degeneracy By Television

you make a very good point, however if you really think about it, there are way to many people in the world and everybody wants to do something, be something, have their own opinions and some people have been born in really rough areas, if they are not spending their time infront of tv's then what will they do?...tv may hypnotise us and true shows are getting worse and worse, but these shows still keep us watching - all of america watching!...it keeps people from doing ridiculous things and getting into trouble - culd you imagine a country let loose! nothing to do?

people dont want to learn anymore, why would they if they have the option to be entertained instead, there are still people that love being educated, but they are the small minority.

instead of worrying about what they showing now, I would be worrying about what will be shown in the future, people will eventually get bored with breaking bad and what have you themed shows, what will be next porn is done, murder scenes done.. they will get bored of this and then what?

reply to post by WhoKnows100


This, but the secular version of it.
I mean, we have Jersey Shore these days. I see people who act like the people on that show. It irks me. It gnaws at me.

People are becoming dumber because of it.

well do you want everyone to be clever?

reply to post by 3movement3


I would. But the powers that be wouldn't. If everyone stopped watching TV, and tweeting, and facebooking, they might stop for a second and have a genuine thought.

reply to post by 3movement3

tv may hypnotise us and true shows are getting worse and worse, but these shows still keep us watching - all of america watching!...it keeps people from doing ridiculous things and getting into trouble - culd you imagine a country let loose! nothing to do?

You are right about much but I think wrong here. My kids were raised without TV. They read, a ton for fun! they played games we played board games and cards as a family. We went outside and built a tree house together. We picked fruit in the summer and they sold it in baskets for fun and money.

We played, swam, biked, hiked, they learned to play instruments, and a ton more They learned to learn, they were in the gifted programs all through school and we were all sharing our time instead of going separate ways. My kids did not miss TV because it wasn't there. You fill your time with what is there.

I think people would find books again and playing in the park and activities, the ones that would do as you suggest get into trouble, probably do that anyway.

We (hubby and I) watch DVD's but we almost never watch regular TV we garden and read and play games, we are together in a way you are not in front of the TV.

Originally posted by Bodhi7
If people can be programmed by a TV, that doesn't make it the show's fault, that just makes them a weak-minded person.

What's the solution? censoring the media even further? While we're at it, let's just change the goal of every new video game to running around and hugging as many people as possible.

edit on 15-8-2013 by Bodhi7 because: (no reason given)

It is interesting to note that the digital image flickering rate is specifically conducive to inducing a form of hypnosis where one is open to suggestion. They did not have to use that rate, but they did.

Critical thinking skills are not taught much anymore. Instead we push outcome based education to pass tests. The end result is a dumbed down population. Combine that with the use of fluoride (which Israel has just outlawed it being put in their water) which lowers IQ and we see daily it's effect.

reply to post by Grifter42


Of course. Why do you think they call shows television programs. It's so blatantly obvious.

We now return to regularly scheduled programming.

Um...who watches TV anymore? Well we all know who...those to poor, apathetic or old who do not wish to change.

And think about that one for a bit.

I do not have Cable and haven't for a few years once I saw the decline of programs. I do watch some media but I stream it and it is what I choose. You miss good shows like Cosmos or the History of WWII? Why? You can watch them when you want, when you choose not when they allow you to. TV is a dying media pandering to the last people still watching, the older generations and the ones who do not know how to turn it off or to stupid to change the channel, those that need shocks and stupidity to feel superior.

I control the programing I see and by that I control my programing...

reply to post by Grifter42


Always has been.
That is why it is called Television "Programming".

Dumbing Down your Brainwaves via Airwaves.
Altering your beliefs and behavior patterns via Suggestion.
Welcome to The Show Pokey !

Personally, I must say that I REALLY miss The Johnny Carson Show.
I cannot quite explain it, or put my finger on it, but there was some element
of magic to that show. It had that perfect balance of gravity and levity
that left you feeling that somehow, all would be right with the world...
and the people in it.

S&F

You are so so right, i mean people deciding on their own what to
watch, that's just indecent, maybe we need a group of people to
tell us what we can and cant see, i would feel so much safer and
have a little peace of mind.

While we are at it they should watch everything everyone does
online so we can be sure they aren't making degenerates online
either, also we need to censor music because well, we wouldn't
want any degeneracy from that either....

This is such a novel idea as well, we never had TV censors in
the past, and back then we had such little crime, i mean no one
did drugs in the past, hardly any violence to speak of, people
were just so much better, not degenerates by any means at all.....

And everyone wonders why we are going down this road where
the only freedom we will have is in death, sad part is i don't
even like most of those shows, breaking bad is ok i guess but
why not just let people watch what they want to?

I would say that this idea that humans are programmed is just
another cop out, shirking personal responsibility in favor of some
ideal that is obviously incorrect, religion does this is as well,
putting responsibility for their actions off on some deity, guess
what if a person is a so called degenerate, they might just be
that way because they are, sometimes there are outside factors
but i doubt TV makes it very high on the list, even after all those
cartoons as a child i have yet to drop an anvil on a persons head.......

Its called entertainment not a how to guide for life. humans do not have
to act out everything they see and hear or read..... where did that
idea come from anyway.

I find the types of dilemmas that this thread brings up very interesting.

Say you have a society where there is no example of this "degeneracy," as you call it. Everyone is nice, hard working, sober, peaceful, etc. But it is authentic? The other side is never explored and therefore the people are not truly virtuous they are just obedient. I think it is something like if people lived in a sterilized bubble town then they'd all get sick from a bug that would be harmless to us. In our Utopian world without any degeneracy then a single bottle of wine might turn them all into alcohol fiends.

On the other hand, we seem to have a situation where this degeneracy is running wild a bit. I think in the coming years we will likely have a reaction to the mass media world that compensates some for the guilty pleasure culture created by a high tolerance. There will be more widespread education on how to handle the media and entertainment world without indulging too much that part of our mind that may be more primitive.

Still, the freedom is good. I prefer a world where anyone can put something on the air and the masses decides what sticks to one where everything is highly regulated and censored. There is some good stuff on TV and as our culture adapts to the expanding reach of media I'd hope there would be an adjustment and increased awareness at the dangers.

There was some information written by Bertrand Russell on the old knowledgedrivenrevolution site that basically explained by Russell how media would shape morality and aid propaganda. I find this to be most obvious with things like Twilight, Warm Bodies, Hotel Transylvania, Harry Potter etc. In these films the traditional enemies are made into the heroes. I remember reading something by Crowley that explained this very process of turning the villain in to the hero.

Now the enemy is mankind. The monsters are the ones shown to be compassionate and misunderstood and are the ones being oppressed by the ignorant humans and their silly moral conventions. Now we see the rise in gothic subcultures that promote this amorality.

Check out this clip from the late 80s or so as a Nazi and Satanist (Schreck married Anton Lavey's daughter) explains how through music and other media the recruits for the nwo will be formed. I think this a 3 part interview and will make a lot of sense when you look back on these subcultures. Schreck although little known has ran with very influential people in the music industry the likes of Rick Rubin and has helped to shape the goth subcultures.

Im gonna weigh with the side that TV is okay, if you select carefully what you watch. I'm over 500 years old and haven't retarded from it. I have learned from it. I mean science, nature, history.

This could be shows from the Military Channel, The History International channel. Nat Geo, Animal Planet, Nat Geo Animal shows, PBS (sometimes). Space stuff, documentaries. Current TV, RT, BIO, A & E, Science channel, crime investigation, ...

I also love any number of cartoons, comedy.

The crap to avoid is religious, Sports, Sitcoms, Mainstream media "news", reality shows, crap talk shows like the View and Piers Morgan.

Most important whatever you watch, stay in the moment and be conscious of what you are watching so you can disconnect if it seems bogus. Its easy to wink out and stare surf. The TV will catch you. Pull out.

Mute all commercials. I sit with the remote in my hand. I actively switch channels and review menus to pick the best show at any time. I want to be informed, not entertained. Unless I'm listening to music.

reply to post by Grifter42


First, I don't watch all of the shows you mentioned, but most of them. Why are they so popular? Because they are good.

A cartoon character choking another cartoon character is still a cartoon.

There were plenty of degenerate people before television, stop blaming entertainment for peoples actions, people are responsible for their own actions. You should ask yourself who programmed you to blame the medium and absolve yourself of responsibility. Why does some outside force get the blame for the bad things people do?

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Does the tail wag the dog? or?

Maybe these types of shows are on the air because people crave them. If a show doesn't get viewers, it doesn't last long. Honey Boo Boo anyone?

Art imitates life imitates art imitates life.....

It is hard for me to admit, but it's true............the world around us reflects the person looking back in the mirror. When we all collectively change, only then will we see a difference.

The people who are pro TV advocates here have you ever considered the fact that you are programmed now to defend TV? A generation of people have grown up defending various rebellious subcultures from their parents,schools, authorities and so on. Things like music and drugs etc and now people are so invested in these ideas they will defend them at any cost due to their identity becoming entwined with them.

Originally posted by Grifter42
Anyone notice the proliferation of shows like Breaking Bad, Weeds, Drunk History, Mad Men, and etcetera...
I know Breaking Bad tries to show the negative side of it too, but when they make an awesome montage, it overrules the negatives.

You got that show, Drunk History, people poking fun at drunks. "Oh, I drank half a bottle of vodka. I'm gonna tell a biased version of history. Woo!" I mean, some of it is funny, but I know alcoholics, and alcoholism ain't.
I got an idea for a show. "Alcoholic History", and it's just belligerent, and awful. The drunk beats his kid, and is like, "I'LL SHOW YOU WILLIAM JENNINGS BRYAN, YOU SWINE!". Laugh track fades to screams. Real funny.

That reminds me of The Simpsons, with Homer Simpson, choking his kid as if it's normal to do that. What if I made a show where other elements of abusive homes are showcased? They never seem to go hungry when their dad spends all the rent money on booze. They never have teachers ask Bart how he got them bruises around his neck.

There is a show that focuses on the bad in alcohol and other drugs as well.
it is called Intervention.

Sad shi* there.
watch with caution.

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
The people who are pro TV advocates here have you ever considered the fact that you are programmed now to defend TV? A generation of people have grown up defending various rebellious subcultures from their parents,schools, authorities and so on. Things like music and drugs etc and now people are so invested in these ideas they will defend them at any cost due to their identity becoming entwined with them.

I agree. But only those with a stronger mind will even understand what you are talking about.
And lets face it, MOST folks don't want to wake up.
They enjoy their cloudy lifestyles.

You know what show of mine is a guilty pleasure? To Catch A Predator. Now, there's a show that's a tentacle of the authoritarian government. But, hey, they're pedophiles. Able to be filed in the brain as subhuman. And when you start thinking of people as subhuman, it's scary indeed. But they come on that show, and they fall into the trap.
"I don't want to be on TV, Dog.". And Chris Hansen's confidence just decimates them. Mocking, he replies, "It's a little late for that, Dog."

It doesn't stop pedophiles though. They were watching the show. People going like, "You're Chris Hansen? Then that means... Oh God, this is Dateline.". It's just like gawking at the people at a carnival sideshow. Not a serious deterrent.

And about those shows, Hoarders, Intervention, Meth Hoarding, Hoarding Intervention, Honey, I Hoarded the Kids, Ten Best Hoards hosted by Mark Summers, America's Top Five Greatest Addictions hosted by John Goodman, How Not To Hoard, How To Hoard, Ice Road Truck Hoarding, Deadliest Hoard, Why Is This Man Grinding Up Severed Feet And Injecting Them (Hosted by Dr. Drew), and all the other shows like that, they're pretty much just cheap exploitation. They make a mockery of the people in those shows.

They're essentially modern day freak shows. You don't watch Hoarders to see them turn their life around. You watch it to see how much of a freak they are.

I have never done this here at ATS before,
and I apologize in advance. Personally I
dislike responses broken up to individual
segments of a post, but this case calls for it.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
I find the types of dilemmas that this thread brings up very interesting.

Spoken like the devil herself.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
Say you have a society where there is no example of this "degeneracy," as you call it. Everyone is nice, hard working, sober, peaceful, etc. [color=gold] But it is authentic? The other side is never explored and therefore the people are not truly virtuous they are just obedient. I think it is something like if people lived in a sterilized bubble town then they'd all get sick from a bug that would be harmless to us. In our Utopian world without any degeneracy then a single bottle of wine might turn them all into alcohol fiends.

But it is authentic?
Do you mean to say "but IS it authentic?"...
either way, congratulations on being a well trained corporate pawn
in the way something being "authentic" is it's highest measure of
validity and worth.

What about self control.
You know, that thing that TV has been systematically destroying so they can have more impulse buyers?
Control of the Self.
Is it being suggested that this is NOT something one can learn on their own.
That people HAVE to be ridiculed, debased, and satirized by powerful external media.
In order to evolve?
That no one had EVER learned self control before TV?

What about the Buddha.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
On the other hand, we seem to have a situation where this degeneracy is [color=gold] running wild a bit. I think in the coming years we will likely have a reaction to the mass media world that compensates some for the guilty pleasure culture created by a high tolerance. There will be more widespread education on how to handle the media and entertainment world without indulging too much that part of our mind that may be more primitive.

What a nightmare solution proposed here.
So the Government plans to TAX us to pay for this "education on how to handle the media"
thus offsetting the social cost created by the horrid world of Television
and putting it onto the backs of the workers who don't have enough,
as it is, let alone time
to raise their own children.

As to the phrase "seems" to be "running wild a bit"...
Yeah, that's called the destruction of culture.

We used to make things in this country that didn't break.
Now that they have bankrupted all the creators and left us only as consumers,
yes.

the plan is to get us all on a subscription based existence, and then
watch,
the next day, the products we buy will stop breaking (as if by magic)
but one will be hard pressed to get a replacement or an upgrade.
Just like AT&T phones before the monopoly was broken up.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
Still, the freedom is good. I prefer a world where [color=gold] anyone can put something on the air and the masses decides what sticks to one where everything is highly regulated and censored. There is some good stuff on TV and as our culture adapts to the expanding reach of media I'd hope there would be an adjustment and increased awareness at the dangers.

Well, that's the problem isn't it.
EVERYONE didn't get to put something on the air,
did they.

Nope, only the people who could afford to buy their way in.

Besides: where did that opening phrase of emptiness "freedom is good" come from?
FREEDOM is balanced by DUTY.
What the hell a people being taught these days.


Mike