Dawn of Witchcraft, it is time now.

Originally posted by OneManArmy
Its inevitable that I might be run over tomorrow, its inevitable that i might not.

You can be careful and avoid crossing a road when there's a car driving across your way.

Originally posted by swanne

Originally posted by OneManArmy
Its inevitable that I might be run over tomorrow, its inevitable that i might not.

You can be careful and avoid crossing a road when there's a car driving across your way.

My point was more to do with the inevitability of a might.

But then your point would be why try something with risk attached?

There is risk in starting a business, there is a risk in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane, there is a risk in proposing a brand new scientific theory, there is a risk in running into bullets to defend what is right.
But where would mankind be if no one ever took a risk?

Of course it pays to be careful and not just go running into the road, but thats common sense, when dealing with unknowns its harder to be careful, because the pitfalls are unknowns, and until we fall down them we cant learn from them.

Originally posted by Gazrok, I'm sure "Christian" magic is perfectly fine by the OP....

Just doesn't want any others using it.... (oh and Christian magic isn't witchcraft because it's done by Christians...no matter that it's beseeching a deity on another plane of existence for aid,,because it's the "right" deity...)

I have to respectfully disagree here. There's a difference between following the Christ, and his teaching of Love and selflessness; and following Satan, and his teaching of an eye for an eye and selfishness.

I used to think that both were indeed the same magic... but when I starting being at the victim end of the system, I woke up... and I was lucky to have a very strange dream before I turned bad. I was very lucky, I guess.

Originally posted by OneManArmy
There is risk in starting a business, there is a risk in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane, there is a risk in proposing a brand new scientific theory, there is a risk in running into bullets to defend what is right.
But where would mankind be if no one ever took a risk?

All of these are physical events. The psychological factors are what controls your actions (the physical events). If you start messing with ethics inside your mind, or if you let someone mess with those said ethics, you risk everything you are. You see... how can you "defend what is right" if you don't know "right" anymore?

Ideas are far more dangerous than any physical weapons.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Scary world you live in.

Witchcraft was basically a catch-all word for anything slightly misunderstood. Back in the medieval days, it was wizardry and sorcery, etc.
Simpletons called witchcraft whenever anything was outside of their understanding (someone make gunpowder for the first time...magic and witchery, someone having a seizure, witches, etc).

so...what -is- witchcraft then? Because the only real understanding of the subject is based on profoundly stupid accounts, lies, and nonsense.

You may have to identify exactly what it is...otherwise, well, it is completely fair to associate the whole thing with the wicked witch of the west imagry...in which case, I would oppose her simply on account of her green nose.

I am talking about rituals, black magick, enochian magick, evocation, invocations and so on, not science as it is today even if some part of science could be banished because of the abuse which could result.



Thruthseek3r

Lesser Key of Solomon stuff?

"The book claims that it was originally written by King Solomon, although this must be incorrect, since the titles of nobility (such as the French Marquis and Germanic Earl) assigned to the demons were not in use in his time, nor were the prayers to Jesus and the Christian Trinity included in the text (Solomon's birth predates Jesus Christ's birth by more than 900 years)." Says wikipedia....

There's a good chance a lot of the invocations and incantations are fictional. As is H.P. Lovecraft's (the sci-fi horror writer) Necronomicon

if anything... demonology is good sci-fi horror reading!

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Well, religion is interesting, because it changes what people who believe in it feel is right or wrong, you know? I find that when I work outside of religion, I have a different moral compass, not one that is off, but one that is more sophisticated and scientific -

I think that in both cases, witchcraft, especially using dark magic, can definitely be a problem. Religion can protect from this dark magic and corruption to some extent,

the problem is basically the lure of power to someone who is weak, and gaining individual power to the point where one's relationships suffer or become corrupted.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by rawheroine

Originally posted by Indellkoffer

Originally posted by St Udio
the old and new testament Deity/God is chock full of plagues, pestilences, floods, all sorts of weather phenomena being wrought on certain kings or peoples

reanimating dead corpses, changing the molecular nature of water to taste like wine, etc etc

all these wraths or 'miracles' were acts of witchcraft or sorcery...despite the attempt by organized religion to distance those biblical acts of strangeness from magic and sorcery and the culture of witches/warlocks/sorcerers

Actually, the plagues and pestilences were brought on by Yahweh, ditto flood, etc, etc. Moses had a hand in some of this, as did Jesus (raising the dead)... and so forth.

For the record, I'm Wiccan and the idea that I have some sort of vast, creepy power over anything (including my grown kids) is pretty darn laughable. I do have power over the hamster to some extent, and the gecko. If I had real power, I'd have used it to have people neuter animals, adopt animals and kids, end domestic violence, etc.

Soccer Mom, since you don't believe you have any power over anything but the hamster and gecko, what is the point of being a Wiccan? To have power over hamsters and geckos?

It's her religion.

Do all Christians lay on hands or speak in tongues?

No. We have different gifts, and no gift the exact same as another. The laying on of hands is in healing, wether physical or spiritual and is a conduit for which the Holy Spirit can flow from us into another as we are his temples.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by earthling42

 

Oh, I'm sure "Christian" magic is perfectly fine by the OP....

Just doesn't want any others using it.... (oh and Christian magic isn't witchcraft because it's done by Christians...no matter that it's beseeching a deity on another plane of existence for aid,,because it's the "right" deity...)

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It's not magic, it's just prayer. Prayer is basically begging our God to hear our cases. He's the one who does all the work, for our part we just beg like no other.

This is one example of magick being trivialized in our society: the famous card game Magic: The gathering.




I have put this picture just to show you how trivial the ones in the known wish to make look their magick. In reality, there are many occult symbols carefully put on the face of these cards while many children might be playing with these unknowingly being initiated into witchcraft without even knowing it, this is a big crime my friendsThey made a game card which is parallel to Tarot to a certain extent in order to make you believe it is out of consequences.

In reality one could not be farther from the truth, the soul is the one taking the damage, I have experienced this myself, almost lost mine and it was very dramatic at that time, but this is for another story.



Thruthseek3r

Originally posted by thruthseek3r

Originally posted by mekhanics
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

I don't know anything about witchcraft. How does it work? I'm interested!

I definitely will not give any insight on how it does work. I mean, come on, I did a thread originally because I am against these people and now you ask me how it works !? This had absolutely no sense considering what the intention of the thread truly is.



Thruthseek3r

Yeah, after further study! F### that.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

My guess is I might have a Succubus and an Incubus after me and it's been a while.

What is happening in your life to make you believe this?

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I decided a while ago to leave the practitioners of witchcraft and here I am being harassed by these demons, but do not worry, I have the ways to get rid of them and without using magick of course.


Thruthseek3r

Originally posted by EllaMarina

Originally posted by thruthseek3r
Do not underestimate to the power of the brain. If I put my energy to oppose this kind of thing, I will find the resources to end it. The fact of posting it on the internet was just to put in the known witch and witches that they now have someone else who will vehemently oppose them.
Thruthseek3r

Aspiring to selective omnipotence through one's mere brainpower is grandiosity at its most hilarious.

At least the practitioners you intend to disarm by purely resisting them with your mind understand their own limitations. Spells are fallible and aren't guaranteed to work, you understand.

If you must be an activist, so be it, but injecting negative energy won't do any good.

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Yes indeed injecting negative energy will not do any good, but was I really negative when making such claims as me being an opponent of witches or was I being perceived as such, that is my very question to you ?


Thruthseek3r

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Do not underestimate to the power of the brain. If I put my energy to oppose this kind of thing, I will find the resources to end it.

And other will find the resources to match your power and just keep this battle ongoing for eternity.

What is it with all these claims of righteousness in the past few months.

Its you guys proclaiming love and ending evil that will create the greatest evil ever.

Is that your motive?

Do you wish a 1984 reality? If so then stick with your thoughts. I know some out there might be very drastic and pragmatic in their approach, true, but nonetheless there is still a very negative stench pervading humanity called witchcraft and it must be stopped at all cost.



Thruthseek3r

Sorry OP, you don't have to be mean or confrontational to be a troll. You can just sit back and answer everything politely to get more and more attention.

I can see through you.

I really don't know how A.T.S doesn't turn me into a complete nutty fruitcake sometimes.

To be fair I know the thread and it's comments aren't doing any harm to anyone but seriously........the delusion throughout this thread is unnerving. I mean no disrespect, it's just how I feel.

Originally posted by Garkiniss
My apologies if this has already been stated, as I've yet to read through this thread in its entirety, but I made it to page 2 before feeling like I needed to chime in.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r

According to Merriam-Webster the definition of witchcraft :

1 a : the use of sorcery or magic

b : communication with the devil or with a familiar

2 : an irresistible influence or fascination

3 : wicca

It think I could agree with these definition, but these are not complete definitions of what witchcraft truly is.

That's an extraordinarily broad definition. By that logic you would seek to destroy the Christian God and even Christ himself because both are known to have communed with the devil. You yourself, and your new found obsession to rid the world of witches means that you have an irresistible fascination with trying to influence the existence or course of witches.

Be careful.

Also, most witches, at least all of the ones I know do not believe in a devil, let alone communicate with it.

According to the free dictonary by Farlex:

1. (Spirituality, New Age, Astrology & Self-help / Alternative Belief Systems) the art or power of bringing magical or preternatural power to bear or the act or practice of attempting to do so

2. (Spirituality, New Age, Astrology & Self-help / Alternative Belief Systems) the influence of magic or sorcery

3. fascinating or bewitching influence or charm

Let me be clear that in no way was this a complete definition of witchcraft and I doubt there will ever be because the old cults and techniques normally only changes of name and how they are presented but are sill the same things. An encyclopaedia would be needed just to regroup all of the things which are part of witchcraft.

If you want to rid the world of witches and pagans** who practice their ancient arts, you better start with the 3 biggest religions within Abrahamism, as all of their practices once belonged to various "pagan" peoples. You should also start thinking about getting rid of any NASA astronomers, doctors, or pharmaceutical lab techs. Then there are the farmers and fishermen that still rely on almanacs to think about. Do they fall under these broad terms?

"Witchcraft" has its roots buried deep into everything in this modern world, and making use of these everyday tools could be construed as practicing witchcraft.


(**The term pagan, taken from the Latin "paganus", meant villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant.)

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Interesting concepts being presented here and yes as to the definitions, they are very broad, but is not witchcraft a very broad phenomenon according to the the nature of the definition (being broad) and of what you explained in the post (witchcraft being a broad phenomenon). No matter what I keep my stance upon my own experience that witchcraft is bad at it's root, its corrupted, rotten and so on.

Concerning your advice, I thank you, of course I will need to be careful according to my analysis of the situation for sure will do .



Thruthseek3r

Originally posted by ripcontrol
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

what results?

It still appears you dabbled in crap you have no clue what you where doing
So please do share your magical experience

Try to summon something
try to get laid with it



As for the rest of you statements..

To be so young and naive again


You still have avoided the question

With the amount of pages into the thread, could you please quote what you did answer on with this particular post? There is more than 10 pages in this thread by now.



Thruthseek3r

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I'd love to know what drove you to such foolish measures. Usually, it's a personal disappointment. And finding you can't come to grips with your loss, you decide to go to war. Why? Because you're too frightened to face yourself. So you face the world instead. And when the world fights back, you dash yourself to pieces against it because you're too proud to admit you were wrong.

And that's the saddest part of this, really. You're doing nothing that hasn't been done a thousand times before, aren't living anything that hasn't been told a thousand times before. This story has been seen and read and told on every corner since man was but a child. Your pride is your undoing, young padawan. And you'll never see it because you've mistaken pride for piety.

Do not be afraid to admit your error. The strongest thing a man can do is admit to himself that he is capable of making mistakes. A man who cannot admit his own flaws is a man who will destroy himself. Perhaps the enemy you seek is not in witchcraft, but in yourself.

Originally posted by schadenfreude
As a former satanist (read real not Laveyan) who was delivered from this by the Lord thank god, I have a few things to say. And since I'm all for equal rights, I'm sure this will pee off most everybody equally.

I don't think truthseeker has given this much thought, I think his zeal (which most of you will read as bigotry) has blinded him. (I am guessing this, b/c sadly, I myself did something very similar about 15 years or so.)

@truthy. IF (and that's a big IF) you are in fact seeking to stretch ur "discernment muscle" or something like-minded, ur focus is entirely WRONG. you don't go after the PEOPLE, you go after the spirits BEHIND the ppl. When Christ dealt with possessed ppl he rebuked the demons, not the ppl. (And that is what you are doing here, you are, by your very act of "putting ppl on notice" PUSHING them towards it even more b/c you have in essence insulted their beliefs.

IOW, you have only reenforced their resolve & done the exact opposite of your intent.

Now, when these ppl were delivered, Jesus said "Go and sin no more" b/c he knew if they did they would be SEVEN TIMES OFF WORSE THAN THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY. But that was done out of concern also, he never put individuals on notice. (Cept the pharisees b/c they were obviously full of chit.)

I can't stress enough that if you LOVE ppl, (which is what Christ commanded, even your enemies) your fight is not against "flesh & blood, but against powers, principalities, and spirits in high places" (which in the greek, are demonic military ranks) Therefore this whole thread is full of fail, on a spiritual level.

As to the practitioners of magick, (I told you i was for equality :lol

There is NO DIFFERENCE between white & black magic. So sorry. Real satanists laugh at wiccans & pagans. why? B/c we KNOW where we're going when we die. (Past tense for ME, obviously) you can NOT circumvent God, even using nature, b/c by doing that you are basically doing the same thing Adam & EVe did in the garden, and the results will be the same. All white magic does is give credence that healing is possible WITHOUT GOD, and as such who do you think that gives credence TO?

Fwiw I'm not trying to be a troll, and I hope it's not seen that way. Just MHO. I would advise however, of anyone "sending" anything truthy's way, on the off chance he is just mis-guided & not trolling b/c the consequences of that ass-beating that entity will receive by truthy's guardians will be severe, and will be reciprocated on YOU. (I've seen/heard of this. Those in the field know this is true, ask around if you don't buy it)

Have a good one guys, and seriously truthy? I think you should apologize to the ppl for you being misguided & step away. Not flesh & blood, remember? Otherwise why not just remove the "Jesus" tag from your t-shirt if the bible means nothing to you.

Good day all.

edit on 14-8-2013 by schadenfreude because: typos

That is very interesting concepts, I thank you for that. Going against the impure spirits/demons instead against flesh and blood ... mmh!? ... Well ... I will consider this very seriously and from now I will take a break off of the thread and try to put this in practice and see if it works. I believe it will but I always prefered to experience something before saying it is effective so for sure I will look into it.

I will give you a star for an evident reason, your knowledge being put into this thread I believe was invaluable, Golden, to say the least. As a former satanist which left the craft I am pretty sure you know what you are talking about.


Thanks again for your input,



Thruthseek3r




P.S.: I will as said earlier in this post take a break off of this thread and try to put into practice what was just mentioned in what I quoted: Focusing my work on impure spirits not against flesh and blood.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r
This is one example of magick being trivialized in our society: the famous card game Magic: The gathering.

I have put this picture just to show you how trivial the ones in the known wish to make look their magick. In reality, there are many occult symbols carefully put on the face of these cards while many children might be playing with these unknowingly being initiated into witchcraft without even knowing it, this is a big crime my friendsThey made a game card which is parallel to Tarot to a certain extent in order to make you believe it is out of consequences.

In reality one could not be farther from the truth, the soul is the one taking the damage, I have experienced this myself, almost lost mine and it was very dramatic at that time, but this is for another story.



Thruthseek3r

Dude you are aware that is just a card game and not real right? I mean I would hope you can rightly distinguish between the lines of reality and a kid's game.

Witchcraft as defined in the bible is mind control, using avenues like sex, alcohol and drugs to influence the minds of people and in ages past was linked to many pagan religions.

Witchcraft is not a card game for dorks.