Upper Nazareth Mayor : If you think I’m a racist, then Israel is a racist state

If you think I’m a racist, then Israel is a racist state.

Upper Nazareth is a Jewish city and it’s important that it remains so. If that makes me a racist, then I’m a proud offshoot of a glorious dynasty of “racists” that started with the “Covenant of the Pieces” (that God made with Abraham, recounted in Genesis 15:1–15) and the explicitly racist promise: “To your seed I have given this land” (Genesis 15:38).

Ok, so this is going to be one of those Middle Eastern Issues that overlaps with religion. I'll try and do my best to keep the religious discussion to a minimum.

First off... the "seed" of Abraham also includes all the other children that Abraham had, not just the Jews. So the land belongs to those other people as well. Secondly, ownership of the land was purely conditional, and depended on Israelites keeping the law and living with high moral character. Seeing how modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - their own holy book forbids their presence on that land . I have covered that subject in detail in this thread

The racist Ben-Gurion announced the establishment of the Jewish State in the Land of Israel, and during the War of Independence even made sure to bring in hundreds of thousands of Jews and drive out hundreds of thousands of Arabs who had been living here — all to enable it to be founded with the desired racist character.

Its no secret that Israel has always been a racist state with a racist character, even towards Jews of different skin color. But its nice to have this mayors statement on it.

Since then, racially pure kibbutzim without a single Arab member and an army that protects a certain racial strain have been established, as have political parties that proudly bear racist names such as “Habayit Hayehudi” — “the Jewish home.” Even our racist national anthem ignores the existence of the Arab minority — in other words, the people Ben-Gurion did not manage to expel in the 1948 war. If not for all that “racism,” it’s doubtful we could live here, and doubtful that we could live at all.

Oh, so the concept of "racial purity" is a bad, bad thing only when its mentioned by certain races.
But its a necessary for the survival of certain other people? Nice.

We can be shocked at a mayor who prefers that his city, which is right next to the largest Arab city in Israel, retain a Jewish majority and not be swallowed up in the Arab area that surrounds it. There will not be a single Jew in the future Palestinian state, but that’s all right. That isn’t racism.

Somebody needs to remind the mayor that the Palestinians lived alongside Jews and Christians peacefully before the state of Israel was formed. The "racism" only arrived with the establishment of the Israeli state in 1948. Also, if he was so worried about the Jewish population being swallowed up by the Arab areas, then maybe moving into Arab areas in the first place wasn't such a good idea, was it? But lets not discuss anti-semitic matters such as Palestinian lands being taken over by European Jews.

On a closing note, this man states...
a) Racial purity is a good thing.
b) Its necessary to be racist to preserve racial identity.
c) Its good for a state to have a racist character.

Not trying to be controversial here, but what do you think?

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - all forbidden in their own holy books.

Man......

You have ALL your bases covered in this thread.

There isnt ONE thing you can say, thats good about Israel or its people. You do know that non-Jews live there too, right? They live in peace, right?



So the Mayor is like many idiot Mayors in the World. Quick with his opinion on things. Im sure the Jews, or Zionists (code word to spread hate) have many different opinions. Doesnt make them all bad.

Just another thread filled with vitriol for Israel.

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sk0rpi0n : Modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - all forbidden in their own holy books.

Man...... You have ALL your bases covered in this thread.

What seems to be the problem?
That man was talking religion... about how his people were "given that land".
And I pointed out that his own religion required people to live by certain moral standards in order to live in that land. I'll say it again, according to his religion.... Israel with its homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography do not have the right to live in that land.

Just another thread filled with vitriol for Israel.

You make it seem as if pointing out a racist opinion is racist by itself.
There is no vitriol, except for the vitriol the Arabs have been subjected to.

So the Mayor is like many idiot Mayors in the World. Quick with his opinion on things.

Given how he took the time to author the entire article posted on that website... its not very likely that he was "quick with his opinion", is it?

That man chose his words.

Somebody needs to remind the mayor that the Palestinians lived alongside Jews and Christians peacefully before the state of Israel was formed

What?

How the hell did someone come up with that crap?

Technically speaking the Jewish are 'Palestinians' until Roman came along and named it.

Blah.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
There is no vitriol, except for the vitriol the Arabs have been subjected to.

Arab on Arab violence is at an all time high.

I dont see you making a thread on that.

Its them damn Jews/Zionists/Israelis the World has to worry about.

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Someone tell me when Jewish became a race?

Or Religion for that fact ?

Really?

reply to post by sonnny1

Arab on Arab violence is at an all time high.

You are throwing in red herrings that have nothing to do with the topic.
In the mean time, you might want to consider American on American violence (...and thats only Chicago)

reply to post by neo96

Someone tell me when Jewish became a race?
Or Religion for that fact ?

"Jew" can mean both a religious identity and an ethnic identity, loosely connected by similar genetic traits.
But of course, there are Jews who are Black, White, Asian and Arab. Go figure.

"Goyim(non-jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel." - Ovadia Yosef [Former leading rabbi in Israel]

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Absolutely. It has been adressed on ATS. Its sad.

So is Arab on Arab violence. I wonder how many deaths Worldwide happen in the ME that can be atributed to Arab on Arab crime or violence?

Continue to blame the Jews. Par for the course in these kind of threads......

reply to post by sonnny1

So is Arab on Arab violence. I wonder how many deaths Worldwide happen in the ME that can be atributed to Arab on Arab crime or violence?
Continue to blame the Jews. Par for the course in these kind of threads......

Arab on Arab violence has nothing to do with the racist views of the Jewish mayor... nor am I blaming the Jews for it. Your'e throwing in red herrings to draw attention away from the issue presented in the OP. It doesn't work that way.

As for blaming the Jews for things that they themselves admit they committed.... they CAN and WILL be held them accountable...at least on this internet forum.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

Arab on Arab violence has nothing to do with the racist views of the Jewish mayor... nor am I blaming the Jews for it.

So why say this????????? If its about the mayor, WHY such broad strokes?????????




"Seeing how modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - their own holy book forbids their presence on that land ."

"Its no secret that Israel has always been a racist state with a racist character, even towards Jews of different skin color.





I stand by what I said.


Vitriol

reply to post by sonnny1

So why say this????????? If its about the mayor, WHY such broad strokes?????????

"Seeing how modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - their own holy book forbids their presence on that land ."

Thats in response to the mayors religious talk....
He quoted Genesis to justify why Jews are entitled to that land.
Well, the same book that contains Genesis, also has Leviticus that states clearly that Jewish stay on the land was dependent on their moral conduct. Seeing how Israel is sin infested, with its homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography.... they have no business on that land... according to their religion.

"Its no secret that Israel has always been a racist state with a racist character, even towards Jews of different skin color. I stand by what I said. Vitriol

Since you support Israel so much, I assume you also agree with a certain Israeli Rabbi who has decreed that Islamization of Europe is a good thing.

Hopefully, Europe turns into a new Muslim continent a few decades from now. (Hey, if a Jewish Rabbi wants it, and if you defend Israel... it cant be a bad thing, right?)

The best part is that it would be completely endorsed by an Israeli Rabbi, and people like yourself who defend Israel. If you oppose that, it means you would be opposing an Israeli, Jewish Rabbi. Opposing that would mean you are full of vitriol and anti-semitic, as you would be opposing an Israeli Rabbi... right?

An Islamized Europe would work out great for all three parties. Muslims, Europe and your beloved Israelis who want to see an Islamized Europe.

A truly happy ending for all involved.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n


Since you support Israel so much........

Jesus....

I dont support my own Government at times! I dont support handing ANY Country Money either. I just dont paint such broad strokes on a Nation, or my own. Clearly you dont like Israel. If you are going to blast them as a Country, remember that there are good people that live there of all faiths. This guy is an idiot. Ive said it before.

The same crap can be said for the Arab World as well. Arab on Arab violence and some Jew needs to be pointed out for saying something and then the broad stroke of Hatred comes out. Do you like it when people say Arabs are ALL the same.? Well, that's what you are implying with the Jews.


Come on.

reply to post by sonnny1

I just dont paint such broad strokes on a Nation, or my own. Clearly you dont like Israel. If you are going to blast them as a Country, remember that there are good people that live there of all faiths. This guy is an idiot. Ive said it before.

Nothing I said was aimed at the good, regular people living there. I simply addressed the mayors religious statements regarding Israel.

You keep bringing up "Arab on Arab violence"... just what does it have to do with an Israeli Mayor stating his racist point of view? I did not even bring it up... and I am not even blaming Israelis for Arab on Arab violence.

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I'm just curious on something here but when we see Islamic Clerics pass Fatwas or Religious Rulings on things like permissible rape in war and 'correcting' wives by physical force in the home, we're always told it's just one voice among countless voices where one doesn't speak for all.

I also happen to agree with that position. One doesn't speak for all, thank God, or the world would be a very nasty place with around 1.3 Billion of them as Believers.

So why is it people cite one Rabbi or even a small sect within Judaism as if it represents the many millions of Jews who follow the teachings around the world? I've never understood the very strong double standard that would seem to exist on that. Rabbis (Let alone Mayors as political figures) are certainly not more elevated or powerful than Islam's spiritual leaders. Go figure for a quirky observation on religious politics. (Two words that never should have been mashed together)

Why give them so much more assumed authority to represent more than themselves?

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

Nothing I said was aimed at the good, regular people living there. I simply addressed the mayors religious statements regarding Israel.

Again, here is the "broad strokes".........


"Seeing how modern Israel is a cesspool of homosexuality, usury, prostitution, pornography - their own holy book forbids their presence on that land ."

"Its no secret that Israel has always been a racist state with a racist character, even towards Jews of different skin color.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
You keep bringing up "Arab on Arab violence"... just what does it have to do with an Israeli Mayor stating his racist point of view? I did not even bring it up... and I am not even blaming Israelis for Arab on Arab violence.

I brought it up, because its a bigger problem then this Mayors "Opinion". I also brought it up because if your going to blame Israel for being a racist state you might as well blame them for all the violence that is happening in the ME too. Paint the broad stroke man...............Don't stop now.

Jewish people are very racist. Eventhough they are usually at the forefront of multicultural and immigration efforts, they rarely marry outside their race or live in diverse neighborhoods.

reply to post by Shiekyerbooty


I'd never call Jews racist and particularly not Israel itself. They've worked as hard to get black Jews out of areas in Africa as they have white Russian Jews out of areas of the Soviet Union and into modern day Russia. Race isn't it, if anything, it's the ethnic identity ...although even that isn't quite accurate. I'd let a Jew really explain it as I can't and do it justice for the mix of ethnic/religious/cultural.

Not that it's uncommon over there. Look at Al Qaeda, as one extreme example. One of it's senior spokespeople and media experts, as he's described, is a white american kid out of California. Adam Gadahn. Go figure on how little race itself actually seems to play in other areas of the world. The US is the one seemingly focused to the point of obsession with it these days.

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actually Adam Ghadan ( Pearlman ) was a Jewish propagandist