Huge Spinning UFO Inside Lightning Cloud Over L A July 19th

Very strange one this. Looks like nothing I can think of. And furthermore...say what?

Wow..
WTH is that? Very interesting footage. Seems to defy the usual theories. Maybe more footage will show up on this one.
Thanks for posting it- good find!!

There is a door reflection in the video yes, but that doesn't really warrant any discussion. Some may find downloading "Free Download Manager" then you can save the YT video to your hard drive and watch it in media player and scrutinize it to your hearts desire.

As for the termination, with any luck the original author flagged her video being stolen and dis-info'd by these UFO channels. From what I can tell, they made up the info and date of the sighting. That is assuming the original video really is "Lori Palmer"'s (her quote below, notice no mention of location or date) - her link in my post on page 1.

I was watching an awesome lightening display when I saw this brilliant light start gliding across the sky. Once it went out of my line of vision this second one came into view and I videotaped it.

My iPhone does not do what I saw justice. It was so beautiful. If you look in the cloud, the light inside is actually moving around as it glides across. So cool. Forgive the language and commentary. I was watching this by myself and I tend to talk to myself (her quote below, no mention of date or location).

Had I known I would be posting it for all to see I would have censored myself. I wish someone else could have seen it with me. I also apologize for the reflection of the kitchen light in the background and at the end my salt lamp. The most reasonable explanation is that it is a flare. What do you think?

I live in the Los Angeles area and I remember this night. My dog woke me up because of the lightning flashes. It was around 3AM. I looked outside but my house is surrounded by trees and I couldn't see anything but the occasional ambient flash in the sky. The lightning flashes lasted for well over an hour. I kept waiting to hear thunder but I never heard a thunder report. I don't know where in Los Angeles this video was taken, but you can't hear any thunder on the video either. Very strange...

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by filledcup

 

Is that by any chance an door? an outside door?

Either way the quality is poor.

edit on 8-8-2013 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

yes there is a reflection of inside the room as the processed video shows. but the light is definitely outside and not a reflection in the window as it moves behind the trees. discarding my photoshop theory. that leaves me with 3

does anyone have a link to the processed lightened up video? could give us alot more clarity

reply to post by JackLucas


n.s.a....big government,you name....any of T.P.T.B..that don't want the public too see anything so...it gets removed,covered,or a B.S story in fabricated

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hey...that reminds me...there wasn't thunder with the lightning flashes in war of the worlds with Tom Cruise either
time to start building that underground bunker I really don't want to end up being red fertilizer strew across the landscape

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
The air close to the cloud would have been very turbulent.

I'm not sure where you learned meteorology, but you don't need high winds to have a thunderstorm. There are plenty of storms with little to no wind. The lightning in the video isn't even very frequent, indicating that the storm wasn't likely even a strong one.

Either way, people want to believe in aliens so badly, that everything they can't immediately recognize in the sky has to be aliens before they consider anything with a terrestrial explanation first.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
The object is very likely not a flare.

The "object" is the same color as a flare, it has the same brightness as a flare, it's traveling the same speed as a flare, and its burn flickers like a flare. It's a fricken flare.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
The air close to the cloud would have been very turbulent.

I'm not sure where you learned meteorology, but you don't need high winds to have a thunderstorm. There are plenty of storms with little to no wind. The lightning in the video isn't even very frequent, indicating that the storm wasn't likely even a strong one.

Either way, people want to believe in aliens so badly, that everything they can't immediately recognize in the sky has to be aliens before they consider anything with a terrestrial explanation first.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
The object is very likely not a flare.

The "object" is the same color as a flare, it has the same brightness as a flare, it's traveling the same speed as a flare, and its burn flickers like a flare. It's a fricken flare.

Ignorance. Plain Ignorance. Every thunderstorm will have vertical winds; be it in Alaska, Colorado, the Sahara Desert, or Florida. To actually produce lightning, an updraft is needed to actually create friction between ice crystals, otherwise no thunderstorm would even have lightning, thus making it a simple rainstorm. If it has lightning, and the downdraft has not cut off the inflow to the storm, it has an updraft. You can argue all you want.

Now, the video was taken in California, where the air is usually quite dry. If the atmosphere is dry, downdrafts are usually stronger as rain droplets and ice crystals, and perhaps even hail evaporate quicker, thus causing a cooler parcel of air around the descending precipitation; while if the air had a higher moisture content, less water would evaporate, thus keeping the temperature of the descending parcel warmer than the parcel that was descending in relatively drier air.

So, assuming that the object is in the downdraft region of the thunderstorm, it would be descending quite quickly, not just stay afloat like a hot air balloon in calm winds.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
Every thunderstorm will have vertical winds;

Nobody says they don't. What you're trying to do is claim that the vertical winds are always strong, which is false. There are weak updrafts and downdrafts, and there are strong updrafts and downdrafts. The wind speeds on vertical winds can be anywhere from only a few miles per hour, to tens of miles per hour.

You have no idea what the vertical or even horizontal wind speeds were in that video. You're making up assumptions to further your baseless claims.

No matter how many words you type onto your screen, it won't take away from the fact that the "object" is the same color as a flare, it has the same brightness as a flare, it's traveling the same speed as a flare, and its burn flickers like a flare.

Now, unless you've got some evidence to show that this is something other than a flare, then there's really not much else to discuss.

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No. An updraft of a "few miles per hour" would be unable to sustain a cloud that is thousands of feet tall. Even if the lightning is slightly frequent, the updraft will be quite strong. If the updraft is weak, it will be unable to keep the water droplets and ice crystals lofted, so the cloud would quickly rain out. For the cloud to produce lightning, it has to reach and, or exceed the freezing level in the atmosphere, it can't be a "few miles per hour", otherwise the cloud would rain out quickly.

The maximum speed for updrafts can be shown by this formula: Storm UVV=√(2*CAPE). And so taking the square root of the usual CAPE in California when relatively strong storms do occur, which is about 1000 J/kg, the maximum updraft speed would be roughly 45 m/s, though that is the maximum, so the updraft might have been weaker. But, you have to factor in the lapse rates, which in the western states are normally quite steep, so the updraft would likely be around or possibly even higher the aforementioned speed.

You want to argue with a mathematical formula?

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
Even if the lightning is slightly frequent, the updraft will be quite strong.

Other professional organizations disagree. There are basically four types of thunderstorms:

Storms with:

• Weak updrafts and weak downdrafts.
  
• Weak updrafts and strong downdrafts.
  
• Strong updrafts and weak downdrafts.
  
• Strong updrafts and strong downdrafts.

The latter produces the strongest severe storms with hail, heavy rains, destructive downbursts, and tornadoes. The first one is found with non-severe showers and thunderstorms.

You can keep claiming all storms have strong vertical winds, but all other meteorological organizations disagree. This topic is not about meteorology.

Do you have any evidence, other than trying to claim all storms have high winds regardless of the intensity of the storm, that this "object" is something other than a flare?

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If it has lightning, it certainly isn't going to have an updraft of, say, 10 mph. They can say "weak updraft and weak downdraft", but they don't actually state the speed of those "weak" updrafts and downdrafts. Weak updraft can range from 5 mph (weak rain shower) to 65 mph (average thunderstorm). Though the fact is that, the formula shows the winds were about 90 mph, given the instability and lapse rates.

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Come on, even you have to admit this is pretty un-flare-y for a flare video.

Flares moves up toward a long thin cloud, bursts into flame when it reaches the cloud, then moves along long thin cloud for 4 minutes without raising or lowering at all, and then exits cloud. Seriously, natural movements of a flare in ANY situation?

Hard to tell what it is, but there's a theory that some UFOs use the energy of lightning storms as a power source. Maybe the aliens are just filling up the tank before they head out?

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Originally posted by Cogliostro
reply to post by JackLucas

 

n.s.a....big government,you name....any of T.P.T.B..that don't want the public too see anything

so...it gets removed,covered,or a B.S story in fabricated

It looks like it was removed from YouTube because the user was deleted for copyright violations. Free_spirit posted a link on page 2 of this thread with and an explanation.

It is available on disclose TV:

www.disclose.tv...

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

The "object" is the same color as a flare, it has the same brightness as a flare, it's traveling the same speed as a flare, and its burn flickers like a flare. It's a fricken flare.

I believe there is too much of a horizontal component in the trajectory for this to be a flare. Consider the time around 1:40 to 1:50.

There doesn't appear to be any obvious smoke trail which should be apparent if it were descending so slowly. It is hard to tell due to the cloud cover.

It doesn't seem to flicker like a flare to me - just my opinion.

It wasn't untill I saw the photo's on the thread that I realized what case this was; what with the video being pulled and all... I've seen this on another video, the footage starts at 9 minutes and 15 seconds. I know this was filmed from in doors but it seems quite credible to me...

Don't know if i've posted the video correctly so I've included a link... If admin could help with the video it would be much appreciated!

www.youtube.com...

well check this one out. hot off the press:



seems related.

reply to post by filledcup


With at least 2 threads already I wouldn't exactly call it "hot off the press"