Asymmetrical Warfare Question

Hello military experts and spy people!

I'm wondering if a device capable of cutting a hole in a pressurized pipeline exists? It would require that pressure in the pipeline is maintained.

Perhaps there is some kind of welding tool that does this?

Ideally, such a cutting device would have a way to feed a payload into the pressurized pipeline.

Does such a tool exist? If so, what is it called? If not, would such a thing be possible to make? Or is this a stupid question?

To those wondering why I ask: I'm bored with nothing else better to do, this is basically a thought experiment into how it would be possible for destruction of gas/oil facilities without needing to deal with, you know, getting shot at.

Next question, could such a cutting device be made quiet enough to not trip harmonic sensors?


If the answers are "yes" then that is very bad! Very very bad!

Thanks for humoring me.

If you know the pressure of the pipe then you could put a cutter in a sealed unit with just enough pressure so that the moment it broke the pipe it would equalize for the pipes pressure+cutters pressure+ the bit of pipe being cut but even so it may trigger a sub second pressure difference which may alert someone if its enough to trigger an alarm

and for harmonic sensors it would just have to be slow enough as there will be certain movements/sounds due to natural heating up/cooling due to day/night etc

reply to post by teachtaire


Yes a tool like this exists, and it's similar to one used in gas and water lines. It's not a very complex tool either so if a person wanted to make one they could.

Why do you ask? (I know it's a thought exercise, but what started you thinking this)

reply to post by Guyfriday


Boredom. I missed the deadline* for financial aid = no school + I pissed off the dean and general school administration by asking questions. I'd just go to a different campus, but I pissed off those deans as well. Oops. Turns out my states university system is corrupt and more concerned with money than the students education.


As to this SPECIFIC thought experiment, I had applied to the military academies and didn't get in. So I figured I may as well have a thought experiment regarding the military to see whether or not I lacked intellectual potential.


*Was sabotaged by my sociopathic family who do active research into schizotypal traits of youth/young adults.

Originally posted by teachtaire
reply to post by Guyfriday

 

Boredom. I missed the deadline for financial aid = no school + I pissed off the dean and general school administration by asking questions. I'd just go to a different campus, but I pissed off those deans as well. Oops.

Turns out my states university system is corrupt and more concerned with money than the students education.

edit on 7-8-2013 by teachtaire because: horrible spelling

Sorry about that. I had an issue like that too when I first started college (the financial aid part not the pissing off people part)

As to this SPECIFIC thought experiment, I had applied to the military academies and didn't get in. So I figured I may as well have a thought experiment regarding the military to see whether or not I lacked intellectual potential.

edit on 7-8-2013 by teachtaire because: the specific reason.

Could you expand on this? How does coming here to see it an item exists or not (it took me a few seconds to internet search for this item) have anything to do with your intellect (or is the exercise itself just testing this)?

reply to post by Guyfriday


Well, since all of this information is being harvested for psychometric data...

you've just googled something that I didn't have to. I already googled a bunch of data that I shouldn't have looked at, and by crowd sourcing I quasi mitigated my personal risk. Not really though. But thinking that makes for nice warm fuzzy feelings.

Except this is being recorded as well and I'm aware of that. Hello spy people! Just being a weirdo over here.

Realistically, a person who knows what the hell they are talking about is a much better option than google.

I don't know anything about this area of knowledge, so getting input of others seemed logical.

As to the thought experiment, it is good to have brain exercise. I enjoy thinking of things that I have no knowledge of in order to see how capable I am.

If I was wrong, I would know how to correct my thought pattern to make it less flawed.

I was correct, ergo my capability of thought is not flawed.

Sounds egotistical, but really, I just don't enjoy the thought that I had a bad idea.

*addendum* and where else would I ask such a random crazy off the wall question? You people are all crazy anyway! What is one more crazy person asking crazy questions? If I ask this kind of thing on some other site, they'll think I'm bonkers (for all the wrong reasons.) It is not a normal question.

reply to post by teachtaire


Bad ideas are the best ideas. It's always good to fail in a safe way, then you can reflect back on that and prevent it from happening in the future.

As an example:
You stated that you pissed off school officials. So your next steps should be:
Asking yourself why did they react that way?
What could have happened that would have prevented that behavior if a similar situation occurs again?
What exact questions seem to upset the school officials?

After thinking out the issues, then investigate the root causes for the behavior.
Is the school covering up something? If so look into it.
Did you over react to the situations? If so try preparing your stuff earlier on.

As I said that was just an example using a situation that you provided. An old instructor of mine used to say that the only real failure is not learning from an unexpected outcome.

Keep that in mind and you'll see how there is no failures, only new opportunities.

reply to post by teachtaire


Let us know when you hear the knock on the door......................

reply to post by Guyfriday


They rigged computerized placement tests for incoming freshmen. That resulted in misplacement of students and extra courses that weren't needed being taken.

They were at fault.

I thought they were unaware of the structure of the computer program they were using. I was mistaken. Not much I can do to not piss them off in that situation, I was just trying to be helpful

I guess using your advice I should STFU and keep my thoughts to myself. Seems like sound advice person of the internet! That is two lessons for the day!

And to Pavil! Why would someone come knocking on my door? I'm not exactly a raving lunatic who wants to bring down the power structure of the world. I enjoy my beer and taco bell and free porn. Besides, if "they" had to go knocking on the door of every pain in the ass, their poor knuckles would turn as blue as Steve Urkel's balls.

Originally posted by teachtaire
reply to post by Guyfriday

 

They rigged computerized placement tests for incoming freshmen. That resulted in misplacement of students and extra courses that weren't needed being taken.

They were at fault.

I thought they were unaware of the structure of the computer program they were using. I was mistaken. Not much I can do to not piss them off in that situation, I was just trying to be helpful

I guess using your advice I should STFU and keep my thoughts to myself. Seems like sound advice person of the internet! That is two lessons for the day!

Actually quite the opposite. If you can prove that their system testing is flawed, then you should expose it. Thinking about a situation is always the first step, investigating it is the second, and the third would be showing proof of the claim.

Sorry if you miss understood me, it wasn't my attempt to be rude. I was only building off of a situation you presented. It sounds like you could have a pretty good investigation at hand. Do you know if any other schools use the same computer placement system? If you do, and they know the system is flawed then maybe looking into why they are using it should be in order. This event that caused you to ask questions could be a "rabbit hole" of sorts. Then again it could be nothing, but worth looking into anyways.

And to Pavil! Why would someone come knocking on my door? I'm not exactly a raving lunatic who wants to bring down the power structure of the world. I enjoy my beer and taco bell and free porn. Besides, if "they" had to go knocking on the door of every pain in the ass, their poor knuckles would turn as blue as Steve Urkel's balls.

Originally posted by Guyfriday

Sorry if you miss understood me, it wasn't my attempt to be rude. I was only building off of a situation you presented. It sounds like you could have a pretty good investigation at hand. Do you know if any other schools use the same computer placement system? If you do, and they know the system is flawed then maybe looking into why they are using it should be in order. This event that caused you to ask questions could be a "rabbit hole" of sorts. Then again it could be nothing, but worth looking into anyways.

Not at all! I was serious. How anyone could take your statement to be rude is beyond me.

That was exactly what I did. In fact, I went straight to the administrator in charge who then basically shat their pants and threw me out of their office.

Then I went to the professors who basically said I stepped in a pile of #. They were personally in agreement with everything I had to say, and were aware of the situation. But they didn't want to get fired either.

Basically, it boiled down to money, and no-one wanted to stop milking the students. It was no secret, except to the students maybe.

Being so honest about it was a great way to get blacklisted though!

Most American campuses use the test. It was made by the ACT after all. It is called the COMPASS.

Anyhow, I noticed some irregularities when I was taking it, and went digging around in the computer files after I got done. I didn't cheat mind you, I just looked at the actual files. I don't think I'm the first person to have done this, but I'm guessing that the others who did had the presence of mind to cheat and kept their mouth shuts about it.

To give you a general idea, the student is required to first enter information (into the testing program,) about their ethnicity, how much money they make, and whether or not they are a single parent before the test actually starts. Also, the maximum results have an artificial ceiling to them depending on other answers the student provides before testing.

Basically, when I brought this to peoples attention, they threatened to sue me for "damaging", the program that was on lease. Note that I didn't even make any changes to the program and didn't even have to decrypt it. So I don't understand how I damaged it. I'm given to understand that I wasn't "allowed" to look at the actual code used.

Perhaps I should flee to Switzerland?




*EDIT* and if anyone wants "proof" all they need to do is physically write down their work on a paper and then compare that with the test results. Simple enough. Old fashioned, yeah.... but I'm not about to got teaching people how to read code as I'm not a computer scientist.

reply to post by teachtaire


This is very interesting. Have you taken this information to any news sources? If correct (I'm only saying this due to me not seeing the evidence first hand) this could be a very big deal.

Are you planning on looking into this any further? (by the way, I think this could be a very good research project)

Originally posted by Guyfriday
reply to post by teachtaire

 

This is very interesting. Have you taken this information to any news sources? If correct (I'm only saying this due to me not seeing the evidence first hand) this could be a very big deal.

Are you planning on looking into this any further? (by the way, I think this could be a very good research project)

Buddy, I've got bigger issues than some college placement test. If you haven't figured it out by now, I tend to ask very tricky questions and get myself into odd situations.

You wanna take this to the news yourself, great. I hope they pay you well. Just give me some warning so I can GTFOD.

I'd recommend the European new-stations in countries that use the test as well. They might actually give a #.


*edit* and good luck following the money trail for ACT inc. I tried to do that. You know, they're rich enough to make people like me vanish? Or they could just blacklist you from higher learning. That is about the only thing I found out about them.

reply to post by teachtaire


you are not going to " cut " a pressurised pipe - and " insert " any solid payload of any consequence - at least not with any sort of covert / clandestine attack

the best you can hope for is to gain access / control of a pig launcher / pig trap site

that will get you a usefull solid payload into a pipe

but to be blunt - a fast and brutal attack is simpler , more likely to succeed and you exposure to " getting shot " is minimal

a direct attack from outside the perimeter fence - targeting the tank farms - with RPGs or motars - in a literal " mad minuite " blitz - then run - fast car to exit the area - and a vehicle change

poof - you have vanished before the security response time has kicked in

reply to post by ignorant_ape


*shhhhh* don't tell them that!

Just because you can use a door doesn't mean you tell people there is a door! Make them break through the wall or come in through the window.

And regarding your blitz idea, remember I'm not advocating actually doing anything? This was only a thought experiment... you seem to enjoy violence, something I don't advocate at all.


I'm about as far removed from that terrorist mindset as it is possible to be. Notice how I said that I had applied to the academies. Say hi to the NSA people.


I can ask for insight on folding laundry.

But it will stay in a heap on my dresser. Or floor. Or table. Or corner of the room.

and why do you think you'd need some large unwieldy monstrosity? A thin poop smells just as bad as a wide poop. Any who, I just got off the phone giving a tip to the ONI police. Poor guys were so flustered they didn't even remember proper protocol.

I wonder if that would be able to get out of a pig trap?

It could probably be modified in such a way to do so.

I wonder how much mass it could drag?

Then again, maybe a robotic snake is the answer to this thought experiment. Eh, whatever. Back to trolling and playing video games.

Yup. They seem like a probable answer, or at least part of it.

gigaom.com...

biorobotics.ri.cmu.edu...

reply to post by teachtaire


Basically a plumbers inline tap.
Think a sleeve around the pipe, which clamps down, sealing the bottom of the ring.
At one place, there is a valve type handle, but the bottom part is pointed and punctures the pipe as it is turned.

reply to post by macman


Thanks for the info! The other person who said this had to send me a PM due to a posting ban for saying inane crazy stuff.

Awesomeness!

reply to post by teachtaire


There is a fitting used in plumbing called a compression/self tapping saddle valve. You mount the valve on the pipe and once secured you tap the valve into the pipe. Im sure you can make a larger version of this..


compression /self tapping saddle valve