America Didnt have Skill Needed--- UK SAS Sent in..Job Done

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The SAS. Best in the world.

The SAS are good guys but our Delta Force instills a certain type of fear…especially when we send Chuck!



There is no pissing contest…..Chuck wins!

reply to post by seabag

Against these guys Chuck's got nothing
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reply to post by hotel1


Actually while very impressive Force Recon is still a Tier two asset (kind of) much like the SEALs or the Green Berets amongst others.


The real big boys of American Special forces are the Special Mission units that fall under the command of JSOC, these include Delta, DEVGRU, ISA and 160th SOAR and 24th Special tactics Squadron, these are the units that are comparable to the units that fall under the command of UKSF such as the SAS, SBS and SRR. Officially the Pentagon does not recognize the existence of these units. JSOC do also have some command over conventional Special operations units under SOCOM such as 75th Rangers when required.

Force Recon seems to hide somewhere in the grey area between Tier one and Tier two, while not a traditional SMU, Force Recon does conduct unconventional warfare and direct actions which are traditionally the roles of the SMU's although do not have a specific counter terrorist role. They are capable of preforming hostage rescue but that role is also covered by the Maritime Special Purpose Force.

I tend to think about them a little bit like the UK's Pathfinder platoon (although much bigger) or Royal Marine Mountain leaders.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Pathfinders, Mountain Leaders certainly deserve a mention in a SF thread. You seem very knowledgeable on the subject I wonder could you provide me with the name/names of the specialist units within RAF Regiment which itself is all too often left out of discussions like this one.

reply to post by hotel1


As far as I know the RAF Regiment does not have a special operations unit within it however it does have two CBRN Squadrons and I do know that when the UK Special Forces Support Group (our equivalent of the Rangers) was created it sourced some members for the RAF Regiment. However I honestly do not know if they actually have a special operations unit as part of the regiment itself.

Out with the RAF Regiment there is the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing of the RAF which does fall under the the directorate of UKSF

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Does anyone remember Operation Nimrod?

During the 17-minute raid, the SAS rescued all but one of the remaining hostages, and killed five of the six terrorists. The soldiers subsequently faced accusations that they unnecessarily killed two of the terrorists, but an inquest into the deaths eventually cleared the SAS of any wrongdoing. The remaining terrorist was prosecuted and served 27 years in British prisons.

wikipedia / Operation Nimrod

/salute SAS

Mike

The movie "Who Dares Wins" is a dramatization of that event.

Sometimes tho i really wonder what we are doing.. almost criminal!!

But then again.. Dont leave your men behind!!

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The SAS. Best in the world.

The SAS are good guys but our Delta Force instills a certain type of fear…especially when we send Chuck!

There is no pissing contest…..Chuck wins!

yeah because they shoot first and ask questions later, that would instill fear in the innocent and the guilty alike.
chuck is a has been im afraid, a stereotype of his own on screen persona.
And you are right, there is no pissing contest, the professionalism and skill of the SAS is unrivalled.
they kill the enemy, not each other or their own allies.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Yes I have heard of the aviation wing of UKSF I believe the USAF has a similar unit the 82nd possibly. I vaguely remember a mention of an elite( a term I don't particularly don't like to use) within the RAF Regiment that could be the ones you mentioned.

reply to post by Things


The guys in Basra were conducting a reconnaissance operation on the guy in charge of the police station as he was torturing people and so on, they were conducting an operation to investigate this.


When they got Caught the UK were obviously concerned as they were caught by the guys who had been infiltrated by the miltia. What you saw on the TV was actually the diversion, the British received intelligence that the two had been moved form the prison to a local militant safe house. So they used the tanks to storm the police stations as a diversion while the SAS stormed the safe house to get their guys back.


A few months later the Prison was raided again to get rid of the corrupt police officers.

Little history from 80's...

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Dateline : August 1981
When the President of The Gambia, Sir Dawda Jawara, came over to England to attended the Royal Wedding of Prince Charles and Lady Diana Spencer, Left-wing rebels back home took advantage of his absence and launched a coup d’etat against his government. The rebels had captured the capital, Banjul, taking over its radio station and airport. In addition, rebel forces took the President’s wife, Lady Jawara, and family hostage. Of further concern to the British, were a large number of British citizens who had been caught up in the escalating violence and lawlessness that had taken over the capital.
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Jawara headed back to Africa to try an reclaim power, but not before asking the British government for assistance.
The SAS go in

2 SAS men, one a Major, one a Seargent, where assigned the task of entering The Gambia and running a low key operation to help reinstate Jawara’s government and secure the safety of the President’s family and any British citizens.

The 2 SAS men, dressed in civilian clothes and armed with MP5s and Browning 9mm pistols, and hand grenades were flown covertly into Senegal, the former French colony that neighboured The Gambia, their weapons secreted in Diplomatic bags. Crossing the border into the The Gambia, the SAS men linked up with Clive Lee, an ex-SAS Major who was working for the Gambians. The 3 Britons then joined forces with Senegalese Paratroopers who had been drafted in to quash the coup. Within short order, small groups of rebels were being captured and handed over to the Senegalese troops who seemed as mystified as to who was doing it as the rebels themselves. Quickly the tide had turned, the Radio station and Airport soon fell, and the Rebels’ grip on the capital was loosening.

you can research this event.. information is publicly available

I just wanted to post a note of thanks to the participants in this thread. It has remained a good natured exchange of information, and hasn't as one poster suggested turned into a pissing contest but remained the sort of thread that shows what's best about of ATS.

A round of applause to all herein say I.

"MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NO, MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NOO! MY PENIS! ITS THE BEST!"
"NOOOOOOO! YOUR PENIS IS SMALL! MY PENIS IS THE BEST!!!"


When will humanity finally learn.....

reply to post by Lacerta


Well i can assure you my penis is huge, it roughly resembles a container for tennis balls or a tin of pringles but that's besides the point. Its quite impressive.

Read through this whole thread and you will see its not a "my SF is better than you SF" (or penis) type of thread its actually quite a interesting discusion

If you try to contribute something remotely intelligent you might even enjoy it.

reply to post by OneManArmy

chuck is a has been im afraid, a stereotype of his own on screen persona.
And you are right, there is no pissing contest, the professionalism and skill of the SAS is unrivalled. they kill the enemy, not each other or their own allies.

BLASPHEMOUS!!! How dare you criticize Chuck like that! Chuck never killed someone who didn’t deserve to die! His accuracy is 100% and his professionalism unrivaled!! Bear Grylls doesn’t hold a candle to Chuck Norris! Don’t be jealous that we have Chuck, friend. Remember, we all play for the same team!

Besides~ if Chuck can't handle it we also have John Rambo!

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Lacerta

 

Well i can assure you my penis is huge, it roughly resembles a container for tennis balls or a tin of pringles but that's besides the point. Its quite impressive.

Read through this whole thread and you will see its not a "my SF is better than you SF" (or penis) type of thread its actually quite a interesting discusion

If you try to contribute something remotely intelligent you might even enjoy it.

edit on 5-8-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)

my penis is pretty average, but my bollocks are huge. but even my bollocks aint got nothing on the SAS, or any of the worlds special forces. they are the best at what they do, whether thats doing as they are told, rescuing hostages, organizing a coup, blowing # up like terrorists to blame the enemy, or just being very good at killing or torturing people( i think a drill through the knee cap is one of their specialties ), they are THE most terrifying terrorists in the world, good job they are on our side eh?

i have a lot of respect for the sas, they are hard as nails, and they do the best job they can do, whatever it is they are asked by their superiors to do. its just a shame i dont have the same respect for the people that send them to do the often good but also often evil that they do. I salute the sas, they are better than me.

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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

chuck is a has been im afraid, a stereotype of his own on screen persona.
And you are right, there is no pissing contest, the professionalism and skill of the SAS is unrivalled. they kill the enemy, not each other or their own allies.

BLASPHEMOUS!!! How dare you criticize Chuck like that! Chuck never killed someone who didn’t deserve to die! His accuracy is 100% and his professionalism unrivaled!! Bear Grylls doesn’t hold a candle to Chuck Norris! Don’t be jealous that we have Chuck, friend. Remember, we all play for the same team!

Besides~ if Chuck can't handle it we also have John Rambo!

edit on 5-8-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

LMAO, yeah but bruce beat him up.
As for John Rambo, yeah hes hard, im a little worried but...

Chuck was hard on the outside but soft on the inside...
Bear is soft on the outside, but titanium on the inside, a little known fact is that bear had a wolverine style titanium bone plating operation which was only possible because of his ability to eat absolutely anything to stay alive, so he ate solid nickle which when digested combined with the titanium and Bear Blood creating a unique alloy that is literally indestructable. This lead scientists to create a whole new strand of science based on the "Grylls Anomoly" All of this would be denied of course, its top secret you know. But thats what places like ATS are for.

Isn't this one of the ideas of having military allies - that if they have a skill set that you don't you can take advantage of this?

Seems amazing that the biggist military in the world couldn't handle this though.

Originally posted by firestreak
Obviously the SAS are the boys to rely on. No botched missions or death from `friendly fire` with these boys.

Lol..because...ya know..they are going to tell the public of their botched missions. Keep thinking the British government is any different from the US government. Lots off gullible people out there.