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Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by SaturnFX
Originally posted by SaturnFX
life is defined by an active brain. no active brain, no life. quite simple.
Oh, really?
In SCIENCE class, I was taught that life is defined by "consisting of cells".
By the way, the first part of the baby to grow is The Heart. A beating heart is the essence of LIFE.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Consisting of cells is also cancer and bacteria.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Personhood requires cerebral functioning.
If you choose to become pedantic, you may "win" the battle here, but forfeit the war. Yes, you are correct that life is a very basic definition, but to be alive...to be a person, this is a different matter entirely.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
incidentally, notice how I made my point without using caps.
Originally posted by arpgme
Personhood requires cerebral functioning.
If you choose to become pedantic, you may "win" the battle here, but forfeit the war. Yes, you are correct that life is a very basic definition, but to be alive...to be a person, this is a different matter entirely.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Matters not
Whats your stance on euthanasia?
Originally posted by SaturnFX
What about killing things like insects that simply bug us?
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by SaturnFX
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Matters not
Whats your stance on euthanasia?
That's a completely different situation.
There is a difference between killing something that isn't in agonizing and continuous endless suffering and killing a being with a beating heart still developing.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
What about killing things like insects that simply bug us?
A living being is made of cells and if something has a beating heart it is living.
It is not considered immoral to kill a bug because that is not a part of the human species and the laws are created to protect ones own species (supposedly).
We're talking about a new born human life who was healthy and had a beating heart suddenly just having its life ended.
edit on 8-8-2013 by arpgme because: spelling
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Actually, a fetus is not a new born..its not born..its a fetus.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
it has no thoughts, no more life than a cadaver living by machines.
There is potential for life, but during the initial stages, it is simply a machine being kept "alive" by machines alone.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
No thinking, no person...same with the person being kept alive my machines.
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by SaturnFX
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Actually, a fetus is not a new born..its not born..its a fetus.
That's true. I made a mistake by saying that.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
it has no thoughts, no more life than a cadaver living by machines.
There is potential for life, but during the initial stages, it is simply a machine being kept "alive" by machines alone.
If it's alive then it's a living thing - and that living thing happens to be a growing human...
Originally posted by SaturnFX
No thinking, no person...same with the person being kept alive my machines.
That's different. If a person gets a serious injury and can only be kept alive by a machine, the person that is keeping them alive didn't choose that. When a person has sex without a condom they know what they are getting themselves into.
If a women knowingly has sex without a condom and impregnation results that is her fault and the life is already inside of her with a beating heart. She should have thought about her actions.