Is this the real truth about the 9/11 planes

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by jaws1975
reply to post by hellobruce

 

What on earth are you talking about

WTC-6 was the smallest of all the WTC buildings only 8 stories, but its entire southwest corner was destroyed and i was almost totally burnt out.

In fact it was so badly damaged they had to demolish the building afterwords.

Yet it even it sustained less damage than WTC-7, however trying to make a comparison between the two buildings is absurd.

Really, now your really reaching!

Wtc 7



Wtc 6

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Image of that field in 1994

Image on 9/11 No Plane, Luggage, Bodies

Another one

Looks like a bomb crater added to the pre-existing scar on that field.

The 1994 photo and the sept. 12 2001 photo are aligned and overlaid in the gif below






As you can see the strip mining scar and the wing scars do not align.

Can you explain to us how the US government moved and rotated the strip mining scar so they could use it for the wing scars ?

That's what the debunkers won't answer folks, how did wtc 7 sustain enough damage to it's central columns to allow for a complete collapse.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity




As you can see the strip mining scar and the wing scars do not align.

Can you explain to us how the US government moved and rotated the strip mining scar so they could use it for the wing scars ?

Look at the path bottom right it also changes. as does a few things. mostly due to being from a slightly different perspective.

reply to post by waypastvne


That's a good issue, not sure when that image was taken which you are overlaying. Let's say they got rid of the entire scar area, are you saying they can't take a bulldozer and make an nice looking impact spot? Where is the plane? Those images are from the day it happened. So, were is the plane, luggage, and bodies? The coroner says there were no bodies or parts to do his job and he was done within five minutes of getting on scene.

reply to post by jaws1975


It doesn't have to melt them. It only has to weaken them, and diesel burns hot enough to weaken steel. Truthers always seem to be stuck on steel melting, when it doesn't have to even come close to melting. It only has to be hot enough to cause it to weaken.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


You don't get plane, bodies, and large wreckage from a high speed impact. A number of high speed, high angle impacts have resulted in little pieces of wreckage. Again, look at United in Colorado Springs, USAir in Pennsylvania, and ValueJet in Florida. All three, high speed steep impacts, and all had little or no large wreckage left.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Yep , that`s the killer question right there .... where is the plane ?

They`ve had many excuses for the missing wreckage , my favourite one has always been " the plane hit the ground so hard it went under the surface " ..... Yeah , like the towers " collapsed "

9/11 was the day reality flipped upside down and slapped us in the face .

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by waypastvne

 

The coroner says there were no bodies or parts to do his job and he was done within five minutes of getting on scene.

Come on, why do you keep repeating the same fabrication about the lack of body parts?

Quite a number of parts were found and identified by the very coroner you keep citing. I'd like to see the quote by him that says not one body part was found and identified by himself...

ETA: copied from my previous post about the same claim:

Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was part of a backbone.[82] Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total.[83] The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.[84] Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24.[85][86] They identified another by September 29.[87] Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27.[88] All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21. Human remains were so fragmented that investigators could not determine whether any victims were dead before the plane crashed. Death certificates for the 40 victims listed the cause of death as homicide and listed the cause of death for the four hijackers as suicide.[89] The remains and personal effects of the victims were returned to the families.[90] The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as evidence.[91]

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is an account as it was happening
old.post-gazette.com...

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by waypastvne

 

That's a good issue, not sure when that image was taken which you are overlaying.

I gave you the date.

Let's say they got rid of the entire scar area, are you saying they can't take a bulldozer and make an nice looking impact spot?

Not without leaving a bunch of bulldozer marks on the ground.

The coroner says there were no bodies or parts to do his job and he was done within five minutes of getting on scene.

No the coroner did not say that. But he did say this:

The coroner's assessment came yesterday as he confirmed that the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory has used DNA samples to match recovered remains with the last of 40 crew members and passengers aboard the hijacked jetliner 14 weeks ago when it slammed into a recovered strip mine at around 500 mph.

Miller has kept control of the crash site, under watch by security guards hired by United Airlines, expecting a possible final search for remains in the spring.

Remains of passengers and crew identified so far should be released in February to families or for burial, entombment or cremation in the Somerset County area, depending on families' preferences, Miller said. Unidentified remains, yielding no DNA information, will be "treated properly," probably interred or entombed in the county, according to the coroner.

reply to post by AthiestJesus


Not in Shanksville it didn't. Planes have hit the ground and left almost nothing before. An A-6 Intruder at nearly Mach 1, in a vertical dive, was found 6 feet down. ValueJet in the Everglades left no large pieces to be found after slamming into the ground vertically. It has happened in the past, and it'll happen in the future.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jaws1975

 

It doesn't have to melt them. It only has to weaken them, and diesel burns hot enough to weaken steel. Truthers always seem to be stuck on steel melting, when it doesn't have to even come close to melting. It only has to be hot enough to cause it to weaken.

I think most " Truthers " who mention melting steel don't actually mean ' melting '.
I think it's just a word they use for steel bending.
I can't imagine they are picturing steel dripping or whatever.
More like its not accepted that the fires were hot enough to bend or weaken the steel that would cause total collapse in the way it happened.

Here's a great example of plane vs solid wall.



Only the wingtips survive intact. And the F-4 is much denser than a 757.

Originally posted by AthiestJesus
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

Yep , that`s the killer question right there .... where is the plane ?

They`ve had many excuses for the missing wreckage , my favourite one has always been " the plane hit the ground so hard it went under the surface " .....

Yeah , like the towers " collapsed "

9/11 was the day reality flipped upside down and slapped us in the face .

if you think the bbc reporting wtc 7 early is bad many in the uk were watching it at 6.am in new york ? there is a thread called 9-11 my personal story 10 years on look at what time some people say they heard about it around the world wtf and nobody is picking up on this

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jaws1975

 

It doesn't have to melt them. It only has to weaken them, and diesel burns hot enough to weaken steel. Truthers always seem to be stuck on steel melting, when it doesn't have to even come close to melting. It only has to be hot enough to cause it to weaken.

I didn't think you had a solid opinion about 9/11 one way or the other. But now you are talking about weakened structures, when it is quite obvious that the 9/11 site actually had molten metal all over the place, before and after the collapses. That was one of the problems with the NIST report.

reply to post by waypastvne


He was videoed about this and that was pretty much verbatim what he said. He said his job was over with in 5 minutes.

reply to post by smurfy


I fall between the two camps. It was done by who they said, how they said, but it was known it was going to happen, and allowed to happen.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


He also said later, that he knew it was over, because the cause of death was obvious, and that it was homicide.

Originally posted by geobro

Originally posted by AthiestJesus
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

Yep , that`s the killer question right there .... where is the plane ?

They`ve had many excuses for the missing wreckage , my favourite one has always been " the plane hit the ground so hard it went under the surface " .....

Yeah , like the towers " collapsed "

9/11 was the day reality flipped upside down and slapped us in the face .

if you think the bbc reporting wtc 7 early is bad many in the uk were watching it at 6.am in new york ? there is a thread called 9-11 my personal story 10 years on look at what time some people say they heard about it around the world

wtf and nobody is picking up on this

are you serious? I have never seen this! That would blow it out of the water for sure! You are saying they saw it before the first plane hit WTC?

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity
all you have to do is ask around or look on the net thousands cannot be that wrong

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