Do you think the United States will fall?

As long as free enterprise exists and people are allowed economic freedom, I don't see how it can fall...

Originally posted by sleeper
The question should be how many want America to fall? America is the envy of the world, envy equals hate.

Lots of people would love to see America fall---sadly---too many of them call themselves Americans.

well said

I know that everyone comes from their own set of values and perceptions, and sorry if I sound somewhat ignorant, but with all of the information 'just' on this website, and all of the recent activites around the world since 2000, and prophecies from all religious quarry including biblical revelations, and many other sources too numerous to state ... doesn't the air just ~feel~ weird and strange? I 'see' too many signs and symptoms of illness within the United States that leads me to think that the time is quite near when the whole-of-it will become the lesser of once-was to what-is-now on a global scale. And all of the characters in this play of the "free world" are only abiding their time ... until, when a signal is given (what or who is ?) then those hidden powers will come forward to rule.

I use to think, like some of you, that the time of such calamities due to come to the US as prophecied and given in visions, was a long way off ... years and years away. There was a gentleman I heard speak some five or six years ago, and he said that we had nothing to worry about because we had at least 200 years to go before anything could and would happen. But, as I listened to his explanations for his statement, I 'felt' inside that he was way off the scale, and that the events to come were closer to our 'backdoors' than we knew.

I believe the Mayan calendar is pretty accurate to its last day ... 21 December 2012. Now, I have many reasons and understandings of things that leads me to think upon this as a true possibility ... why? Well, it all started with an archaeologist asking the last remaining 'true elder' why their calendar ended on that particular day ... and his reply was short yet very clear ... "Because it is the last day of time as we know it." Of course, that isn't my single reason, but it set me on a pathway I am still on now, and have been for many years. And the strangeness of it all is that I can still hear my grandmother's voice telling me (as a small child) ... "... there will come a time in your life when those things you question now will become very clear; not only will your eyes - see, but your ears will hear, and your mind will answer ... and your heart will feel it to be so."

I once thought that being an advocate I might be able to save, but I have learned many things that have taught me that this is not so. Each of our own selves (I know its awkward but it works) exist in our very own solar system, and very seldom do people jump out of their own to jump into someone elses ... for any reason. So it is true that since we each have our staked out areas within us, it is very hard for us to let another in ... even if there is no demand of anything other than friendship. We have become embittered and distrusting to those around us because in that way ... no one can hurt us, or injury us, help us, assist us, or whatever ... because it is better to rely on self (because we know self ... right?) than to trust another enough to let them in.

And that's the plan ... it may be an old plan, but human nature never changes ... technology does, but human nature doesn't. And knowing that, don't you think that planning this all out to "have it all" would be worth the time and effort of all of those involved? From way back when? The expected constant is still the same, and basically will never change, because we won't change ... someone else has to, right? And THEN it will be fair ... nope. Won't happen ... sheople never change, they just follow the one in front of them ... no matter where it leads.

Enough said for now.

I have a question for all you who are clearly anti-American biased these days:

You all say that we are headed for martial law, a collapse, corruption, etc etc. Most of you are anti-Bush, so I ask you this:

In four years, who will you claim is the "Satanic-new-world-order-anti-christ-end-of-the-world-leader" then?

Just wondering,

-wD

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
I have a question for all you who are clearly anti-American biased these days:

You all say that we are headed for martial law, a collapse, corruption, etc etc. Most of you are anti-Bush, so I ask you this:

In four years, who will you claim is the "Satanic-new-world-order-anti-christ-end-of-the-world-leader" then?

Just wondering,

-wD

You actually think there's a difference between Rep's and Dem's? It's the rich carving up your nation, they just do it by different means. Until you can get past the 2 party system, you're doomed. The elite play the populous like an accordion. Anyone outside of the US saw exactly what was going to happen in your last election. Man, you guys have got to wake up.

how come these questions are always aimed at the US? you europeans are acting like your a bunch of #ing saints. you think you have it all figured out dont you?

Some of us are awake Intrepid, but there are so few of us ... and you must know that if you're not part of the whole, then you must be part of the dangerous few. I have people in my own family that warn me about saying what I know out loud for others to hear; to always try and blend in ... and I am NOT a 'blending-in" type of person; and to not make any waves.

I fear that when they do realize that the truth has been staring them in the face for years, they will just give up and give in ... why? Because they have no hope and feel doomed.

As far as the Anti-whatever goes, I don't believe that 'ruler' will necessarily come out of the U.S.; in fact, I pretty much doubt it. If Daniel was right, then the anti-whatever will come out of the Old Roman Empire in some fashion. And back in their height of power, the Roman Empire enveloped (ok, here we go) all of Europe (including southeast Britain), to and along the Danube River ... over and around the Black Sea ... through the Caucasus Mountains to the Caspian Sea ... around Turkey ... down through the Middle East - northern tip of Iran (to about Tabriz), to Iraq through Al Mawsil (Mawshil) on the Tigris River, then sort of southwest to the Euphrates River to Baghdad to where the Euphrates River intersects the Tigris River, southwest through the northern part of Saudi Arabia to Aqaba, and continue across the Red Sea to the east coast of Egypt, and then down (south) the coast to the border of Egypt and Sudan. The course then heads west then northwest to Libya (Al Khufrah to Sabha) then follows to Touggourt, Nigeria then over the Atlas Mountains to Casablanca, Morocco ... go north along the Moroccan coast to the Strait of Gibraltar and then straight up and around Portugal to complete the area of the Roman Empire.

Phew ... now that's a trip!

OK ... why tell you all of that? It is more of making a point ... the Roman Empire incorporated a vast area of land which included the water-land lock and ports ... they controlled it all. Now if you go to a map and sketch it out, you will see the vastness of the area ... and Daniel said that-that area would produce the anti-whatever ... but I will find the scripts if anyone doesn't know -or- wants to know.

As I looked again, I was pleasantly reminded that the area aforementioned also included many Middle Eastern sections of land, including the entire section of land ports from Adana, Turkey to Cairo, Egypt ... which includes the area of constant conflict ... Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and Egypt.

Fascinating.

Originally posted by rc
I keep hearing about this that one day the US will fall. Our goverment. I know in history it happens, all empires have fallen at one point. Do you think this will happen to the United States? If so when and how?

I seriously see Bush, especially cocky now in his second term literally plunging us into WWIII - before any of us are ready for it.

But then again, what do I know. Just a hunch.

Originally posted by intrepidYou actually think there's a difference between Rep's and Dem's? It's the rich carving up your nation, they just do it by different means. Until you can get past the 2 party system, you're doomed.

The problem is that the US will never be able to support a 3 party system. It also is dangerous for there to BE a 3 party system for presidency (It increases the need for the senate to decide who is going to be president, and since this country has a habit of electing one party to presidency and the other as the dominant party in both houses, the person we decided won (i.e. had both the popular vote and electoral vote) may not be the one they choose, considering that that same person may not be of their own party. Likely to happen a lot with a higer balance between the 2 older parties and the new party...keeping percentages maxing out at 40%, if we are lucky...more likely having a party with a 35% majority, if the 3rd party ever got enough strength for such a balance.)
HISTORY: we had a 3 party system in this country for, at most, about 20 years, around 150+ years ago. That's when the Republicans ousted the Federalists as a party. We've not had a successful 3rd party since. ...and if a 3rd party DOES get that type of voting, the weaker of the 2 parties is the Democrats, right now. They will collapse and join the independant ranks, making the independant party dominantly liberal in outlook...basically a revamped Democrat party, with many of those in power actually IN TOUCH with their base, for once....

Yes, I believe within the next 50 years the U. S., as we know it, will be transformed back into its former self. Colonies and territories divided amongst the currently emerging world powers (EU and China). Right now we are being drained of strength premeditatively on a number of fronts.
China and the Pacific Rim are whittling away at blue collar as well as white collar jobs while flooding the American market with underpriced goods(find something in your house not made in China, c'mon I dare ya); the war in Iraq is only a costly start to a much bigger American presence in the Mid-east; while I'm on the subject pertaining to military: watch out when relations between China and North Korea begin to warm. In general, the American people can't agree whole-heartedly on one domestic issue. Yeah, I think the U.S. is cycling down.

I may be an underinformed, undereducated redneck from Tennessee but, America will never fall as long as we remember the words "We the people" and all the words that follows it!