Do you think the United States will fall?

I keep hearing about this that one day the US will fall. Our goverment. I know in history it happens, all empires have fallen at one point. Do you think this will happen to the United States? If so when and how?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fall? No. Change into something completely different then it is now? Yes and I am not talking about a good kind of evolution.

you think this will happen soon or in our lifetime?

Taken over my Aliens.....

Of course it will...one day!

Not sure when, but at the rate we are going...it's not looking very good. I doubt it will be anytime soon or within the next 30 years though...but you never know.

It also depends on what you mean by "falls"...if the US isn't the number 1 superpower of the world one day...so what? Would be nice to give all the responsibilities that come with "being #1" to someone else for a change.

Originally posted by rc
I keep hearing about this that one day the US will fall. Our goverment. I know in history it happens, all empires have fallen at one point. Do you think this will happen to the United States? If so when and how?

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Not now any way: for how...that' s the question.

chapo -- I am not a prophet

Yes, within our lifetimes.

It could happen in a number of different ways, and without the aid of a handy crystal ball it's hard to say which one will accelorate to the endgame first.

We are already crashing from the weight of our laws, economy, world politics, corrupt system, failed initiatives, tax system, etc.

The list of seriously fatal flaws is long, and the funny thing is, is that the president will address less than 4 of them in his time, and probably succeed in mildly helping 1.

Personally, I almost think it's time to stomp out the US government and start again.

Originally posted by Jonna
Fall? No. Change into something completely different then it is now? Yes and I am not talking about a good kind of evolution.

100% agree. The way the USA goes is not really a way UP!

I dont know, The America we see right now are doomed, but I think there can come something good in the other end.

All things pass. Yes your fall and the taller the harder and right now the U.S is 8 feet atleast.

Originally posted by rc
you think this will happen soon or in our lifetime?

These things are sometimes a slow unrealized process and other times begin with the loud bang of a revolution. The US is changing as we speak and has been for some time now. Just think about how the country was started to avoid oppression, but yet oppressed the people that were already here. Just think about how America is the self proclaimed Land of the Free, yet the government is attempting to take more and more control over what you can and can not do as seen by the moral convictions of the GOP. I suppose the more things change the more they stay the same.

It all depends on how you define America: is it the people or the government? The government will push for more and more control as they always do. There lies your slow mostly unnoticed change. Eventually the people will push back when they have finally had enough. There's your fast change. Regardless of the form, this matter will not end quietly.

When rumors started spreading about the formation of a European Union, I knew at that moment that was going to be the catalyst for the decline of the United States in terms of global superiority...

It's been going at a snail's pace, but one could make the arguement that the decline will pick up speed if the current administration doesn't try to alter our reputation among our neighbors on this planet...as well as half of our current population, who despise our leaders...

Doomed to failure? I dunno about that...Nuclear war, civil war, or a freak occurence/(un)natural disaster is about all that could bring this nation down...

I would compare America right now to a weight-lifter that's "roided up" and suddenly realizing the results of their drug abuse....What has happened and will happen in the next four years will leave permanent scars on America, and we'll have to wear them as a reminder when the time comes to rebuild...

[Edited on 11/10/2004 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

I think the United States will fall,

and drop bombs all over Iran, Syria and North Korea!

And any Country that is a supporter of terrorism!

Guess this answers some of my question

US on 'very dangerous path': UN official
Associated Press
United Nations, November 10



The United States is on "a very dangerous path" because it is spending US$450 billion annually on the military and just US$15 billion to promote development in poor countries, the head of the UN anti-poverty effort warned on Tuesday.

"We can't solve problems of security through military means, certainly not through military means alone," said Jeffrey Sachs. "No one has ever succeeded in doing that, and no one ever will because hungry and desperate people will do desperate things, or the places that they live will face collapse."

Of the 22 largest donor countries, the United States is spending the lowest percentage of its gross domestic product on development - just 0.14 per cent - compared to the 0.70 target that all countries agreed to 34 years ago, Sachs told a news conference.

"We're roughly US$50-55 billion short per year," he said. Sachs was appointed by Secretary-General Kofi Annan in 2002 to head the Millennium Project developing a plan for the world to meet UN goals to reverse the poverty, hunger and disease affecting billions of people.

His report is due in January. The best way to peace is through solving the problems "of how people can stay alive on the planet," said Sachs, director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University and a special adviser to Annan on anti-poverty efforts.

Sachs said the world would be more secure if more people had enough to eat, medical care, reliable and safe drinking water and a chance for a better future.

"People don't see that right now," Sachs said. "What they see is the United States spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the military approach and then complaining about any call to spend anything much on development."

He said there are rumours that the Bush administration will soon ask Congress for another US$70 billion for Iraq, yet it's hard to get any money for development.

"This has been a bipartisan effort of neglect for decades," Sachs said. "From the point of view of America's own specific interests and security, we're on a very dangerous path right now ... because the world will not be stable with mass suffering, disease and poverty," he said.

"I take that from no less an authority than President George Bush who said it last week," Sachs said. A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, insisted the United States was committed to development assistance.

Yes, she will fall, just not in the way you are thinking.

Recent Archeological evidence suggests that modern man has been around on earth for 900,000 years and that we are stuck in cycles of development and annihilation, I do not forsee the US falling, there is too much at stake for humanity to allow this to happen.

It will be a cataclismic event outside of our control, i.e meteor strike, polar shift, heinrich events (ice age) or even an epidemic...

The most likely catastrophy at present is total toxic overload, where the air becomes unbreathable, the water undrinkable and the food inedible through mass contamination.

It will be at this time that humanity will realise that you can't live on money...

The question should be how many want America to fall? America is the envy of the world, envy equals hate.

Lots of people would love to see America fall---sadly---too many of them call themselves Americans.

The USA is not an empire... it's a superpower.. Tell me how many countries besides the American homeland that we have claimed to be ours?

I don't think there are any empires remaining in this world. Comparing the US to the Roman empire is foolish.

Originally posted by RedOctober90
The USA is not an empire... it's a superpower.. Tell me how many countries besides the American homeland that we have claimed to be ours?

I don't think there are any empires remaining in this world. Comparing the US to the Roman empire is foolish.

Is it really so foolish? Since we export our culture to all ends of the planet thanks to Hollywood. We are essentially the world police, like Rome was. We may not take lands and call them our own but we are very instrumental in making sure many countries have governments to our liking. Our population consumes and cares nothing of the rest of the world. We look at ourselves as superior to those damn Europeans or Africans, Arabs, etc. How are we not like the Roman Empire? We even have become fanatic Christians following some perverted form of Christianity that farewell and Roberts sells us. The true Christian church is the Catholic Church plain and simple it was the first and started by the apostles. The Baptist, Pentecostals and all the other crazy holly roller horse # was invented by heathens.