Assault Rifles, Shotguns, And Handguns

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Build a few then shoot somebodys packaged Colt. The only thing Colt has on it's side is name recognition.

Do you think the average person wants to (or knows how to) build their own and make it more high-speed low-drag?

We're talking about off the shelf ARs here.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

...but I don't understand this either- WTF do you want a grenade for? Not even taking into account that they're illegal and you'll be sent away for a long, long time if you're caught with one, no matter how you use them they're still going to throw shrapnel back at you too. If there's a home intruder in your kitchen and you throw a grenade at him, you're buying a whole new kitchen.

I mean, seriously, what's the point?

edit on 1-8-2013 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)

You can own then legally. It's a tax stamp and ATF background check. Seeing as they are single use they are extremely expensive.

If I had the money to burn I'd love to buy a couple just to blow up an old car in the field or something. It'd be pretty fun.

Since when has entertainment not been a good enough excuse? Virtually the entire population of the world dedicates all their resources toward simple entertainment.

It's not a question of entertainment. It's a question of the things being dangerous as hell. Like my father (who was an accomplished pinapple thrower in the Marines during WWII) said of his time in the Corps, grenades are both OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE weapons, meaning that no matter who or what you're attacking offensively with a grenade, you're obligated to defend your own live against it as well.

IF you have the money to burn through and IF you have a suitable area to use them in and IF you have the proper training to use them and IF you go through the proper legal channels to obtain them, then yeah, go for it,..but those are a heck of a lot of IFs just for the sake of entertainment...and let's face it, that NOT what the OP was asking. The OP claims he listed it as a joke so this whole conversation is moot anyway.

Originally posted by seabag

I’m not a gunsmith so I don’t know the reason for this but I know that my Colt has less recoil than my DPMS so it's easier to keep on target, it cycles better, and it’s had fewer misfires. Colt also holds value better.

Just my personal experience.

I can't comment on what others have, but mine is a Colt. The ONLY time I've ever had any issues whatsoever with it was when I filled a mag with half Israeli ammo and half Lake City ammo. The first LC round in the mag failed to feed after firing the final Israeli round, but once I cleared the jam the remainder of the LC ammo worked fine.

I can't even begin to explain that.

I won't list all of my weapons but I do have a bushmaster Ar15 and I really love it. I have a red dot scope of it and practically shoot flies off the wall at 50 yards. The hype made the ammo shoot up high in price but I stock piled quite a bit and when i take it out to shoot I only shoot 50-100 rounds for fun and to make sure it is still sighted. I would recommend getting a new uppper and making it where it will shoot .22 cal because it is much cheaper and you still get to use your weapon of choice.

reply to post by MrJohnSmith


I hate to sound like a jerk but having an unloaded FAKE gun to "scare" an intruder is not the brightest idea in the world. What are you going to when you pull your fake gun and they have a real one and think their life is in danger and shoot you first?

I hope you were at least smart enough to take off the orange tip..

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
reply to post by MrJohnSmith

 

I hate to sound like a jerk but having an unloaded FAKE gun to "scare" an intruder is not the brightest idea in the world. What are you going to when you pull your fake gun and they have a real one and think their life is in danger and shoot you first?

I hope you were at least smart enough to take off the orange tip..

edit on 2-8-2013 by knowledgedesired because: (no reason given)

That's what I was thinking..

Originally posted by seabag

Do you think the average person wants to (or knows how to) build their own and make it more high-speed low-drag?

They may not specifically want to but I certainly hope they would be able to. If you can assemble a Lego kit you can build an AR from parts.

It's worth it for every current or prospective AR owner to do it at least once. You learn a lot about the rifles and it takes far longer to research and source the components you want/need than it does to put it together and you end up with a better product at a fraction of the cost.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


I couldn't agree more. I live in one of those heinous states that no longer allows the purchase of what the media has dubbed an assault weapon. I was lucky enough to get my hands on stripped lower receivers prior to the ban. I used to be able to strip down an A2 blindfolded and reassemble it when I was in 10th mountain but it had been many years so building one from scratch was one of the best things I could ever have done. I not only relearned old skills but picked up a couple of new tricks in the process. Knowledge is power and especially so in a SHTF scenario where there are no gunsmiths available to bring your gear to to get fixed up. I can now comfortably trouble shoot just about anything AR related as well as switch out uppers to other calibers to maximize minimal ammo supplies. with one lower I can now utilize multiple calibers from 5.56 to.22 to 5.7x28

Originally posted by seabag


DPMS Panthers are nice and they’re a lot of fun (aren’t all guns) but the quality of a Colt makes it a better buy. If you plan to keep it and you want quality and reliability, get a Colt. If you just want a plinker, get a cheaper one.

IMO Rock River, Daniel Defense (made in my hometown and full disclosure I'm applying to work there) and POF have the best warranties available. All 3 are extremely high quality rifles, better than colt IM because of the variety of guns colt makes and the mass production assembly line style of colt verse the small shops of 20-30 guys making one rifle at a time. If you don't have a lot of money to through around I would get a Rock River for about a grand, if you got a little more I would get a Daniel Defense and if you got mad bank POF. There are not really any "bad" ARs but Bushmaster in my experience has a lot of problems and they customer service and warrant sucks, DMPS makes affordable rifles but make sure you get a 5.56 not a 223 so you can use either ammo and stay away from sporticals because the forward assist on a gas impingement system is a must if your shooting any kind of volume or in high threat situations.

Originally posted by peter vlar
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

I couldn't agree more. I live in one of those heinous states that no longer allows the purchase of what the media has dubbed an assault weapon. I was lucky enough to get my hands on stripped lower receivers prior to the ban. I used to be able to strip down an A2 blindfolded and reassemble it when I was in 10th mountain but it had been many years so building one from scratch was one of the best things I could ever have done. I not only relearned old skills but picked up a couple of new tricks in the process. Knowledge is power and especially so in a SHTF scenario where there are no gunsmiths available to bring your gear to to get fixed up. I can now comfortably trouble shoot just about anything AR related as well as switch out uppers to other calibers to maximize minimal ammo supplies. with one lower I can now utilize multiple calibers from 5.56 to.22 to 5.7x28

Califirnia or Connecticut? Presuming there's really a difference these days...

....."Those that live by the sword shall also die by the sword."

You will very likely die by gunshot wound fyi, and it might even by self inflicted.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


NY land of the SAFE act. or rather the Unsafe act where they think people are going to willingly register their arms and sell all "high cap" mags out of state by years end.

reply to post by spartacus699


I very much doubt that.I do agree I'll be shot one day ,but I hate traveling alone.

Originally posted by spartacus699
....."Those that live by the sword shall also die by the sword."

You will very likely die by gunshot wound fyi, and it might even by self inflicted.

and those who don't have weapons can still die by them. that's all the food your going to get from me tonight troll.

reply to post by spartacus699


Not necessarily true. I made it through East Africa, Bosnia and a few other hell holes mostly intact. As did most of those I worked. with Never been shot despite numerous engagements. I certainly won't be around at 90 but I made it pretty far and have some good years left so Im going to have to agree with Minesweeper that those without arms are more likely to die by them than those with them and training to back it up. Until you've had to hose the blood of your friends out of a Humvee I suggest you learn a little humility.

Originally posted by MrJohnSmith
reply to post by WhiteNite

 

What on earth do you propose to do with hand grenades ? .....I hate to think !

The gun collection sounds a bit obssessional, a handgun for personal defence
against other gun nutters I can understand, but this little arsenal sounds a bit o.t.t....

But then I'm British, and wouldn't understand the need to be armed to the teeth.....

I keep an unloaded air gun under the bed, to frighten burglars, is that impressive ?

( It has been there 22 years, is covered in dust, due to lack of burglars where I live.)

...... No ? I thought not !

That an arsenal? LOL. That's nothing. I have more AR-15 variants in my collection alone than he has in his entire group of firearms.

Originally posted by spartacus699
....."Those that live by the sword shall also die by the sword."

You will very likely die by gunshot wound fyi, and it might even by self inflicted.

I disagree. Firstly, having a firearm and using one for defense, recreation, hunting, etc. does not fit the definition of "living by the sword." That passage refers to people who live violent lives and yes, in that context, people who live to do violence often die of violence--consider the life expectancy of drug cartel members.

Secondly, history shows, that people who make themselves defenseless are preyed on more often.

Originally posted by spartacus699
....."Those that live by the sword shall also die by the sword."

You will very likely die by gunshot wound fyi, and it might even by self inflicted.

I absolutely agree with this. Anyone willing to commit deadly violence upon me will find they will have deadly violence done unto them. Note that it says "Those who LIVE by the sword". It doesn't say "Those who HAVE a sword".

...but as for "we're only going to wind up being shot ourselves", this it too idiotic of a statement to even comment on. I have yet to find any part of a gun that supposedly zaps people with mind control rays to brainwash them into shooting others for no reason. Perhaps you can enlighten me which part it is.

I really enjoy my very simple Sig M400. Purchased for less than $1,000. Customized with various after-market equipment. Accurate and reliable. Never a single misfire in over 5,000 rounds.

I used to own a Colt and a Sig 556. Both very nice rigs. Both very expensive rigs. Sold those and replaced with Sig M400, Sig P226 and Sig P239 (Both in .40 S&W). Much happier now.

Good luck!

Originally posted by peter vlar
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

NY land of the SAFE act. or rather the Unsafe act where they think people are going to willingly register their arms and sell all "high cap" mags out of state by years end.

edit on 4-8-2013 by peter vlar because: (no reason given)

Ah, I forgot about your state's new entry into the Socialist club. I'm in Connecticut, and between all the retarded gun laws, retarded taxes, and retarded government legislation in every corner in our lives, Connecticut is actively trying to out-California California. Heck, we just passed a law that gives drivers licenses to illegal aliens!

I went to the range over the weekend. Even the rangemaster said they have no idea how they're going to enforce these laws we just passed. Literally, everything the state touches turns retarded, like a dysfunctional verson of that King Midas story.