"Men On Strike"

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

Is it just me or were disgusting vitriolic lesbians over represented in that video?

A chick having a shaved head or a nose ring does not make them a lesbian, nor being angry for that matter.

I will see what I can do about video tapping some of the local feminist movements on my university campus for you in the future. I can say that I once took a women's studies course as an elective requirement and the atmosphere was nearly on par with this display.

I would say that anger and vitriol is over represented in the feminist movement of today which is why many women refuse to identify with it and instead use the term egalitarianism or humanism.

-FBB

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


You are right. A shaved head doesn't automatically make one a lesbian, nor does having metallic blue/purple hair, or an unhealthy disgust for all men. I just can't see how any of those women are in heterosexual relationships. If it was me and someone was protesting that hard against a peaceful meeting aimed to uplift men I don't want to ever talk to you or even have you in my general vicinity, much less consider having a relationship.

I'm sorry you had to experience something like that when taking a women studies course. That just supports the point Dr. Helen Smith was making that colleges are heavily gendered in favor of women. Its funny how some people think female empowerment and male debasing is the same thing. A situation like the one presented in the video could have easily gotten out of hand. Not to mention, they were insulting cops for doing their job of keeping unrestrained hatred in check (funny they didn't seem to notice the female cop). They were just churlish children acting out against people who were not their enemies.

I guess the guys broke the first rule of Men's Support Meeting, you DON'T talk about Men's Support Meeting.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by votan
I didn't get married till i was 33.. simply because every woman i dated was just a bad deal..... and i dated a lot till i was 29.. then i didn't give an eff about it.

It seemed like insanity because of how looney women were. I would just get the milk but not buy the cow.

I am married now couldn't be happier.. only reason i did is because i would have been stupid to pass her up.

I think a big problem with women today is the lack of respect for men .

Congrats on finding the right woman, there are plenty of good ones out there that are committed to making things work through thick and thin, better or worse, and that no matter what happens common ground will always be found.

Well it just felt right and not forced. I learned from my many mistakes in the past and quite frankly that has come in handy.. I can see how immature i was in the past.. i am still not great but i am about 200% better.

I am just dedicating my life to her and it has been rewarding. I think as long as I continue being dedicated i think we will be okay

Only because the marriage rate isnt at 100% does not mean men are on strike. But i admit that women practice hypergamy and with more wome advancing their professional life it becomes harder to find a mate to connect with.

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I think you just hit a nail on the head with that one. Bashing on men is not female empowerment, bashing on whiteys is not black empowerment etc etc. There is a huge difference between rising up, and trying to bash others down.

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Yes, friends can ask friends out. But lets be honest, Friendship isn't the only reason that they do it. For all i know she was getting cold feet, or had a small moment where she thought how friendly you two were and wanted to see if she wasn't making a mistake by picking this guy over you.

It happens, hence the romantic comedy reference.

Yes that counts as alone. If you and this woman are at a restaurant without a significant partner or third party then you are alone and on a date. Friendly or not, the fact that there were other people in the restaurant is irrelevant. The fact that her fiancee wasn't there and that you haven't mentioned him as being your friend leaves one to wonder what his knowledge of this is and what/if any part was planned for you in the wedding.

Just because she asked you out to lunch does not mean her intentions were entirely pure.

Obviously she was looking for some reason to spend time with you, ALONE, away from her fiancee and anyone who might have a reason to question the time you spent together.

However, it really doesn't matter. You already proved the depth of your character when you came down on her for not picking up the tab, which isn't something any friend i can think of would ever do to another friend, especially someone who had likely invested a huge portion of her own money into a wedding.

No, i don't see the irony.
I see your paranoia about women.
I see some veiled resentment and some questionable personal beliefs, but not the irony.

edit on 30-7-2013 by Thorneblood because: (no reason given)

A bit late on this ... but if two men go to lunch together, without a third party or significant other present ... would that be considered a date?

Are any meals between two people dates?

That is a very narrow minded view and has nothing to do with misogyny nor misandry, but like others said, possession and control; lack of trust and commitment.

What my wife and I have both discussed, because we both feel jealousy is a natural human emotion; is that we both trust each other, but the intentions of the other person could be in question in our minds, in this hypothetical discussion. Mutual friends pretty much get a free pass; but discussing the theory of a new person (say a new employee at work, or taking a class a college); we trust each other to not do anything, and the basic judgement of the other; but it can still be uneasy. She can feel that way about me, because I've proven naive to female advances in the past and at times in the present. I know how deceitful men can be towards their hidden goals. There are nefarious men and women out there, as much as there are innocent ones.

The main idea is trust. There is no reason for a woman to expect a man to pay the meal, if just friends; and there is no reason not to have lunch with a friend, regardless of their sex and sexual preferences.

This is the common sense thing you referred yourself to having; but seems to be selective in your case.



In regards to this thread; my parents were aware enough to see the coming storm. They taught me to be passive. They explained to me the risks of speech and action in the coming society. This is why I come off as naive, because it was how I implemented my defense from traps. Inaction = safety, when it comes to a world where a woman's word > reality. I don't believe every woman is waiting to yell rape after a regretful night ... but it sure as hell protects you from such a horrible possibility.

My rule was, passive, until I know them well, and they make it obvious. I don't date, since that word has been devalued. I have relationships, no seeing other people. In a relationship, I let time and trust build up before I allow myself to show dominance, which women do like in the bedroom (this does not mean abuse or removal of their choice ... the real basis of dom/sub is the sub is always in complete control by saying no/stop; otherwise you are crossing the line).


Scarred men from past experiences; men who are taught to be wary; men who can see what is going on and tread lightly or not at all ... this is what is happening in the relationship culture. It is a bit healthy as well, for the youth. Take time to get to know yourself first and foremost. Be happy with yourself, and then find someone else who has found their own happiness. Take it slower and enjoy each other's company. This will lead to stronger relationships. Rushing sex, trying to find someone to make you happy ... as well as not having respect for yourself or others is a big part of the problem.

The growing tide of misandry is shameful. Equality should be the goal, not the demonization or demoralization ... or control/use/abuse of either sex should be acceptable. Respect and love for one another is happiness

Originally posted by Thorneblood

Because you make it so easy with the answers you are providing.
As i've said all along, women have a very good reason for what they are doing and have continually proved it by pointing out the many sobering statistics on single mothers and absentee fathers.

Are YOU kidding me?



If the gender biased courts, and thats what they are, cared so much about children they would stop giving children to mothers, based on the men being the breadwinners. That IS a FACT you cant disprove.


Sobering statistics?

Its ALWAYS been about the money !

Sobering, isnt it.........

Even with weaker laws, other states showed big gains for fathers getting custody of children. The most significant growth period may be past. Between 1990 and 2000, the number of single fathers grew by 37.9 percent, greater than the 27.3 percent increase between 2000 and 2010, according to the census.

More single dads winning primary custody of children

Originally posted by votan

I am just dedicating my life to her and it has been rewarding. I think as long as I continue being dedicated i think we will be okay

As long as you both dedicate your life to each other, then you will be OK.

Relationships are partnerships, don't let anyone tell you any different.

And as long as you both work towards common goals that will also help keep things stable.

Enjoy the love bro.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Just annoys me to see people taking a pop at feminism as a whole because there are SOME that say stupid things. People just want equality yano.

you mean like this:


or these charming women?

• “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

• “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

• “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

• “Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller

• “The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

• “In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

• “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

• “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

• “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

• “Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

So between the Misandry of women and the government (as in sending men off to war) do you think men might have something to worry about?

Johntheother (his youtube video handle) Made a poster that says

"You don't fear and hate African Americans do you?
of course not, because you are a decent human being"

"You don't fear and hate Jews do you?
of course not, because you are a decent human being"

"You don't fear and hate Gays do you?
of course not, because you are a decent human being"

"You don't fear and hate Lesbians do you?
of course not, because you are a decent human being"

"You don't fear and hate Women do you?
of course not, because you are a decent human being"

"You don't fear and hate men do you?
do you?"

men’s rights are human rights

and posted them, this is what happened (the action starts at 2.19)



oh and this came video came up as I was searching for the video

Originally posted by Realtruth

She makes it very clear men are getting the short end of the stick these days, on almost all levels.

The points she is making are dead on, and she makes a case that is very hard to argue against. I have read excerpts from her book and have decided to purchase a copy for myself.

But you haven't read it yet - so how do you know what it says - from the cover perhaps? A review? what?

[quote]

She talks about how men are choosing not to get anywhere near marriage, or relationships these day. And how men have even decided to find other things to do with their time other than pursue relationships with women. Odds are stacked to high against men for the relationships to work in their favor, so they are choosing not to have them.



Where does she say that? What page? Quoted in an article? Written by whom?

* Please be civil and respectful, since this topic can stir emotions Thanks!

en.wikipedia.org...(psychologist)

Look at the current reviews on her book via Amazon, they are 5 stars and counting.

www.amazon.com...=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Wikipedia and Amazon reviews. Great sources dude.

About men 'choosing' not to pursue relationships (all relationships, or just romantic ones) - it doesn't suprise me.

Doesn't necessarily mean they are 'getting the short end' as you say, could mean any number of things. Most likely that they haven't been taught or are not able to practise basic relationship skils. I see this with some young men I come into contact with. They have a very two dimensional and selfish approach to life. Young women too, but less. I think it has to do with media saturation mayself and not real practise with live people.

I've gone to lunch with young people and they don't talk just play with their phones. It's sad, a lot of wasted energy.

Originally posted by FyreByrd
Doesn't necessarily mean they are 'getting the short end' as you say, could mean any number of things. Most likely that they haven't been taught or are not able to practise basic relationship skils. I see this with some young men I come into contact with.

They have a very two dimensional and selfish approach to life. Young women too, but less. I think it has to do with media saturation mayself and not real practise with live people.

edit on 31-7-2013 by FyreByrd because: (no reason given)

Wow . . . if I was as crazy as most these anti-men posters I would be screaming at you calling you a sexist for making such a distinction. I would also probably call it misandry and hateful, but LOL.

Anyways you should probably justify your statement as to why women are less two dimensional and selfish when you just shoot from the hip like that.

-FBB

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I think it has to do with media saturation mayself and not real practise with live people.

Who do you think are the largest media consumers? Which group are advertisers trying to target? Who are directors, television personalities, marketing executives, producers, journalists, authors, and educators all catering to...

No clue what you mean by "practice with live people". There have definitely been arguments that modern technology is affecting the social skills of youth because they are interacting with screens instead of actual people. This theory is bunk in my opinion for several reasons that I won't get into, and even if it were true there is nothing to suggest it affects males more than females. If anything, females have been shown to have an unhealthy obsession with sites like Twitter and Facebook. Facebook, the site whose creator made close to $4 billion this past week in stock price increase, would not exist if it wasn't rigorously supported by women. Also, on another thread (www.abovetopsecret.com...) addressing feminism a women actually told me sites like Twitter were making women more "aware". That she used the term "aware" is actually an ironic euphemism to describe the mindset of modern women. I digress...

Just to reiterate, EVERYTHING about the media is designed to appeal to women so before you start claiming things like men are two-dimensional and selfish due to media saturation think for a second. Then ask yourself why has the media become such a diseased medium for mindless entertainment, pseudo culture, materialist propaganda, and social conditioning. It has to do with the audience. If everyone watching had the intelligence of Einstein or the humanity of Gandhi would shows like Dancing with the Stars or Real Housewives of Who Gives a Crap be aired?

To be fair, men are more inhibited and anxious in the way existentialists have described 20th and 21st century man. However, this is not due to the media..

I've gone to lunch with young people and they don't talk just play with their phones. It's sad, a lot of wasted energy.

I understand what you mean. This is my generation. They are very alive, passionate, and feel very deeply despite their anti-social inactivity in such situations. They just experience emotions and the vividness of life via text messaging and the internet. For us life has become largely digitized and more like a computer game. Things will tend in this direction even more for the future. All I can say is, the times they are a changin'.

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I've seen most of her videos and subscribed to her. The woman is just plain brilliant. Everyone in America should see everyone of her vids.

On a side note I think she's just using her real name these days. I don't know why but her videos just say Karen Straughan instead of girl writes what now. Just pointing out.

P.S. you're not the only one who gets the butterflies from watching her vids. she's quite a looker. i wish she didn't smoke though.

Originally posted by racasan

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Just annoys me to see people taking a pop at feminism as a whole because there are SOME that say stupid things. People just want equality yano.

you mean like this:

or these charming women?

• “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

• “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

• “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

• “Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller

• “The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

• “In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

• “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

• “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

• “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

• “Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

edit on 31-7-2013 by racasan because: edit to add

So between the Misandry of women and the government (as in sending men off to war) do you think men might have something to worry about?

edit on 31-7-2013 by racasan because: (no reason given)

Im sorry did i not say that in every group there were extremists? I bet you i could research some men's rights movements and find the same kind of comments. You have to laugh at extremists because they just want to stir the pot. What they say is offensive, no doubt about it, but people who are comfortable within themselves just let it wash off them.

Some women hate men.
Some men hate women.
Most of us just want equal footing.

P.S - I love how you men use the draft to say that society hates them. I agree its wrong, really do, Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you guys should get together and say "No, im not going to let myself or my brothers be forced to go to another country and start killing other people" - See Ex-world champion Muhammed Ali for inspiration.

The trouble is you wont, because in the back of your minds you like to think you're heroes. Can you see that war's are just to build empire's for rich men?

The draft is clearly sexist, why haven't men stood against it yet?

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by hotel1

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by hotel1
In many ways feminism has been good for men if they have taken the red pill. Sex without commitment has been one result of the feminist movement and free sex without attachment is hardwired into the male biological reproductive imperative.

For an aware man feminism could be considered the best thing that ever happened.

Funny you should say that because men had access to those things anyway, prostitution has always been rife through-out human history. So feminism hasn't really "aided" men in that respect, sex has always been available. Hell, even the elephant man got some.

Men are not paying for the sex they are paying for the prostitute to leave after the sex.

No, they pay for the act, there's no seduction involved.

How can anyone respect someone who pays for sex? Its degrading for both involved.

The type of man that pays for sex is not interested in being respected and the type of woman that gets paid for sex has long gone beyond the point of being respectable. Feminism has given men commitment free sex without the cost of a prostitute, or the cost and commitment of marriage. Sex was never completely free of charge until the advent of feminism.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Im sorry did i not say that in every group there were extremists? I bet you i could research some men's rights movements and find the same kind of comments. You have to laugh at extremists because they just want to stir the pot. What they say is offensive, no doubt about it, but people who are comfortable within themselves just let it wash off them.
.

So these are just extremists saying these things – ok

Robin Morgan, Editor of Ms. Magazine

Valerie Solanas – wrote SCUM Manifesto
en.wikipedia.org...

Reprinted at least 10 times, translated into 13 languages, and excerpted several times, the SCUM Manifesto generated a range of reactions, including that it was utopian, feminist, pre-feminist, crusading, and a call to act; accurate, symbolic, irreverent, funny, outrageous, and extreme; parodic and satiric but not a put-on; witty, shocking, and articulative of rage; nonviolent, a suggestion for retraining of men, a declaration that men would be killed, and a charter for violence; and misandrous; and that it sought a women-only world and that it wouldn't be necessary to kill men

Andrea Dworkin – author of a number of books
en.wikipedia.org...

Susan Brownmiller – author
en.wikipedia.org...

Catharine MacKinnon – American feminist, scholar, lawyer, teacher and activist.
en.wikipedia.org...

Germaine Greer - academic and journalist, and was a major feminist voice
en.wikipedia.org...

so these are all extremists and nobody takes any notice of them and aren’t core sources for the feminist movement – well ok then

and if I go on a feminist site the work of these people is held up as hate and anti human and has nothing to do with the movement – well that’s a relief

P.S - I love how you men use the draft to say that society hates them. I agree its wrong, really do, Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you guys should get together and say "No, im not going to let myself or my brothers be forced to go to another country and start killing other people" - See Ex-world champion Muhammed Ali for inspiration.

The trouble is you wont, because in the back of your minds you like to think you're heroes. Can you see that war's are just to build empire's for rich men?

The draft is clearly sexist, why haven't men stood against it yet?

when you're right you're right – maybe men should just go on strike, refuse to be used and abused by anybody

do you like those downfall parodies

Originally posted by hotel1
The type of man that pays for sex is not interested in being respected

So dont expect it then. He should be shunned for his actions.

and the type of woman that gets paid for sex has long gone beyond the point of being respectable.

Certainly cant respect a prostitute but i dobt any woman chooses to sell their bodies. They need help because they most likely have drug addictions etc.

Feminism has given men commitment free sex without the cost of a prostitute,

What planet are you living on? Men have ALWAYS had that! The lower classes, despite being dirt poor, still bred without getting married etc! Out of wedlock sex has always been present since religion began, a lot of it was well hidden.

Feminism just made it so women weren't getting locked away and outcast by society because they were having sex without commitment. Suddenly you didnt HAVE to marry the first man you slept with. Feminism broke the shackles. Men always managed to get sex without commitment, feminism didn't "aid" that

or the cost and commitment of marriage. Sex was never completely free of charge until the advent of feminism.

Um, it was. For example, solider's in WW2, were getting sex without marriage or commitment before they went to the battle fields.

Your version of human history is obviously looked at with rose-tinted glasses

reply to post by Thorneblood

Originally posted by racasan

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Im sorry did i not say that in every group there were extremists? I bet you i could research some men's rights movements and find the same kind of comments. You have to laugh at extremists because they just want to stir the pot. What they say is offensive, no doubt about it, but people who are comfortable within themselves just let it wash off them.
.

So these are just extremists saying these things – ok

Robin Morgan, Editor of Ms. Magazine

Valerie Solanas – wrote SCUM Manifesto
en.wikipedia.org...

Reprinted at least 10 times, translated into 13 languages, and excerpted several times, the SCUM Manifesto generated a range of reactions, including that it was utopian, feminist, pre-feminist, crusading, and a call to act; accurate, symbolic, irreverent, funny, outrageous, and extreme; parodic and satiric but not a put-on; witty, shocking, and articulative of rage; nonviolent, a suggestion for retraining of men, a declaration that men would be killed, and a charter for violence; and misandrous; and that it sought a women-only world and that it wouldn't be necessary to kill men

Andrea Dworkin – author of a number of books
en.wikipedia.org...

Susan Brownmiller – author
en.wikipedia.org...

Catharine MacKinnon – American feminist, scholar, lawyer, teacher and activist.
en.wikipedia.org...

Germaine Greer - academic and journalist, and was a major feminist voice
en.wikipedia.org...

so these are all extremists and nobody takes any notice of them and aren’t core sources for the feminist movement – well ok then

Yes that's my point. You have a handful of women that are extremists. Fair enough alot of them are published and whatnot, but it doesnt mean every women wants to castrate men in general

Have you ever read any text's from the early 20th century relating to women? The picture painted of them is quite offensive - Like they couldnt get dressed on a morning without help. There are extreme people out there, no one's denying that

and if I go on a feminist site the work of these people is held up as hate and anti human and has nothing to do with the movement – well that’s a relief

If i go to a misogynist site i would see and get the same type of abuse

when you're right you're right – maybe men should just go on strike, refuse to be used and abused by anybody

do you like those downfall parodies

What do you mean by downfall? There's no draft in Britain and we've survived all right. American men should absolutely reject the draft because it goes against your freedom.

You are for freedom aren't you???