Protesters turn out to oppose GCSB bill

the opposition to this legislation is at 75-80 in recent polls,
people of new Zealand are very nervous about installing a bill that will allow our security service to behave similar to the NSA in its collection of data, and storage for "undefined" others to use.

do the american people actually want us to follow you example where everyone is monitored at all times?

where our dreams and design and thoughts are allowed to be hoovered up by spy agencies and then sold to cooperation's for a profit?

where the saying "if your smart and work hard you will get ahead" but in truth you will only get ahead if you go along, if you have never criticized those in power?

our country has many innovators, should their Intellectual Property be hoovered up and stored in the US?
why is legalising the collection of IP and innovations ok when these ideas could be used against our own economic interests!!!!

do you want us to follow the USA into this nightmare?

Protesters turn out to oppose GCSB bill

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what happens when economically important information is "collected" ?
what stops the USA from taking all our designs and inventions and simply making them faster taking IP from our citizens?

can we trust your government Americans?
to do the right thing by our innovators?

would you trust NZ with this information?

why should NZ follow the US lead?

our politicians are trying to ram this through under urgency without public debate,
if any Americans out there want to help warn our politicians what can go wrong please do,

they seem hell bent on ignoring the NZ population,
and all the legal submissions.

maby if they here from the rest of the world over this afront to democracy,
they would "re concider".

xploder

May they not stop protesting, phoning in, meeting with the leaders in groups in person, and speaking out and opposing this until they win.

9/11 has hurt freedom throughout the world more than most people even understand. The 2000s have been called the decade of lost freedom for a reason. Fear allows those in power to gain power, while oppressing those who they govern in the name of security. From the creation of an unnecessary department (Homeland Security) to siphon more tax dollars, to getting maliciously frisked every time we need to board a plane, and now having all of our actions monitored by Big Brother; we are losing our collection freedom one step at a time. Looking at our current state of affairs throughout the world, I can't help but conclude that the terrorists have won.

However, all isn't lost, as the protesters are demonstrating, there comes a time when we as citizens have to say enough is a enough and demand our freedoms back.

Originally posted by Unity_99
May they not stop protesting, phoning in, meeting with the leaders in groups in person, and speaking out and opposing this until they win.

i am afraid that without human rights leaders and democracy advocates from all over the world speaking out about this we will be the example of a once democratic country that is now hurting human rights instead of defending them.

i love my country, and democracy, they are both in danger ATM

xploder

Originally posted by Pistoche
9/11 has hurt freedom throughout the world more than most people even understand. The 2000s have been called the decade of lost freedom for a reason. Fear allows those in power to gain power, while oppressing those who they govern in the name of security. From the creation of an unnecessary department (Homeland Security) to siphon more tax dollars, to getting maliciously frisked every time we need to board a plane, and now having all of our actions monitored by Big Brother; we are losing our collection freedom one step at a time. Looking at our current state of affairs throughout the world, I can't help but conclude that the terrorists have won.

However, all isn't lost, as the protesters are demonstrating, there comes a time when we as citizens have to say enough is a enough and demand our freedoms back.

to the internet cat signal,
we need help to explain what is being traded away in the name of security,
what damage to a democracy this bill will do,
and stop the slow march into a country where descent is banned by decree.

why would any one in NZ use the internet anymore?
why would the internet have use?

we will be pointed to as an inspiration for small countries all over the world,
in a carefully spun argument of "if you have nothing to hide why should you fear"

when in truth "if you have nothing to FEAR you wouldn't be hiding"

xploder

Looks lively.
I like a well behaved protest.
Why does it have to come to this in the first place?


Mike

Even the Māori are against it.

I don't speak Te Reo though,
shall we see what the talking heads are saying about it?


Hmmm, they seem timid.
Media there scared to interview the protesters directly?


Mike

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there was one location with trouble, but on whole very peaceful,
there is almost universal condemnation of the bill by our democracy watch dogs

its an easy issue to grasp, but with complex language and implications its very hard to gain any any large acceptance of how very flawed it is to give powers to an agency because they broke the law, and want to continue.

xploder

reply to post by mikegrouchy

Media there scared to interview the protesters directly?

yes they are, there is a very careful presentation of the issues in a way that makes anyone who disagrees with the angle "a conspiracy nut"

truth is the prism leaks have shown us what happens when power's are broadly extended while language in the bill is ambiguous enough to allow nearly anything.

the only over sight would be the PM and his/her appointees.

how can a democratic country have a ligitamite opposition when every minute of every day, your communications are stored, and if you gain momentum against the political incumbent,
every thing you ever said is open to "leak"

every girl you ever dated,
every person you went fishing with,
every porn sight you ever visited.

no single person would be able to continue in politics if their meta data was freely available.

its hard to imagine the PM not realising that he could use these powers to prevent losing power in a democratic election.
this is how tyrants are made.

xploder

Here we go
Someone called "Mr News Guerrilla Media"
spoke directly to the protesters the day of.

WARNING: language
Wow this guy shills for his own site for the first half
then goes rage mode and tears into the global NWO
saying the UN is in collusion and the Mainstream Media
are not doing their jobs.


Mike


Skip to timestop 1:57 for the rant.

I'm sick and tired, of all these people,
who get their homes raided
who get all their #ing money taken away from them
by these scumbaggery agents of the New World Order.

reply to post by XPLodER


So it is all America's fault New Zealand is going all spycraft? You really just do not seem to understand the global plan. You want to blame the USA, how convenient. Did you blame the CCTVs in England yet? It's funny how people love to hate America yet refuse to see that the Elites are global in every country.

Even stranger, I've seen you on these boards supporting the very apparatus which is allowing this thing to happen. You don't see it yet though, you imagine it is all the conservatives doing it.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


i surprised the media here didnt promote this guy as being representative of the whole protest,
our media did not show any of the speakers, and only took sound bites that suited their narrative.

typical

xploder

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by XPLodER

 

So it is all America's fault New Zealand is going all spycraft? You really just do not seem to understand the global plan. You want to blame the USA, how convenient. Did you blame the CCTVs in England yet? It's funny how people love to hate America yet refuse to see that the Elites are global in every country.

if you re-read the op i asked questions of americans as to weather they would put up with such a law,
weather they would trust our government with THEIR personal information.
we are part of the five eyes spy network, of which america is the head, your head of NSA came here and told us what to do. would you accept that from a kiwi spook?

Even stranger, I've seen you on these boards supporting the very apparatus which is allowing this thing to happen.

i design privacy tools, none of which "supports" anything but the human right to privacy

You don't see it yet though, you imagine it is all the conservatives doing it.

edit on 28-7-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

your attempt to turn this thread into partisan political argument is noted and not appreciated,
stick to the op please

xploder

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Is that guy for real?

Something tells me he's a plant, a shill, a version of Alex Jones trying to paint conspiracy theorists as irrational.

I don't know how anyone can watch that freak and take anything he says seriously, the same way I don't know how anyone can watch Alex Jones and take him seriously either.

Equipment donated? Or maybe provided by the government?

The media is "liberal" because in the left/right scheme of things, the left is for more government involvement in our lives while the right is for less government Fifa 13 Forums (to be overly simple, that is). Main stream media is not really free press, as you may know, but rather there is a lot of government involvement.

truth is the prism leaks have shown us what happens when power's are broadly extended while language in the bill is ambiguous enough to allow nearly anything.