Are God and Satan actually good friends?

reply to post by NOTurTypical



I saw a few pictures that looked old, but they could be easily explained away by gigantism. The tallest person in recorded history was 9 feet tall. All of mythology has a base in some kind of truth, maybe these Nephilim were just people with severe cases of gigantism?

Some etymologists believe nephilim means "fallen ones" and not "giants" as well.

Where are these huge tools today? Why would those in power destroy these tools yet leave the bible untouched and let it permeate for over 3,000 years?

Genesis 6
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

If Nephilim weren't the same species as humans, why does Genesis describe them as --men-- of renown? I tend to believe they weren't giants at all, maybe figuratively but not literally.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


No they cannot be explained away by giganticism because that defect leaves noticible damage to the joints and bones. These skeletal remains do not show evidence of giganticism. This is all in an area kept very very hush-hush. The natural history museums have millions invested in keeping these remains hidden and secret. It goes against the narrative that we are evolving into a more advance species when the opposite is true. The human genome is deteriorating. You can also find Coast 2 Coast AM interviews with these archaeologists and the author of the book "Forbidden Archaeology".

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Why does Genesis describe them as --men-- of renown? If they weren't man, why are they described as such?

Do you have a source where these giant skeletons are said to have no joint damage or disfigurement? And how are you so sure they don't when you have never seen them for yourself since they've been locked away?

What makes you think the Nephilim were more evolutionarily advanced than we are today?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Men of renown is another way of saying "the legends of old", like the stuff ancient stories were told about. Even the plains Indians here in North America were terrified of the six fingered giants who could run and scoop up a Buffalo at full gallop.

Listen the the Coast 2 Coast AM interview it's quite astonishing. And the archaeologist and anthropologist addresses the issue with the bones in his interview on forbidden archaeology.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Because when he shows up in the garden as the shining one he is already evil.

Good point. But is it discovered at that point? Or was his falling when he was cursed by God after he tempted Eve?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Michael Cremo also believes that humans have lived on Earth for billions (with a "b") of years and is a Hindu.

Mainstream scholars call his book "pseudoscience" and he has yet to submit any of his experimental data for peer review, meaning none of his claims have been proven or even seriously considered.

Seems like you're suffering from a case of confirmation bias.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


I just had like a huge 3 paragraph long reply on the nephalim, and then I suddenly thought "why bother?". I just don't have the energy for you.

reply to post by Lone12

agreeing with your post LW

but what you mean by "this is being played out in the ME "...?
- i just hope that you didnt refer to the edomite deception named the present country of israel

its interesting,
to see how the egyptian pantheon [ Gog] has exalted the firstborn always
- hence Gods tactic to not exalt the firstborn [ strongest] but the second born

...He does nothing without a Purpose
and eventually will let Evils factions fight and destroy each OTHER

..bless you

The crap going on between the jews and muslims. The only real Israel is the one in Jesus Christ, him being the only Seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:16). Jesus is Israel.

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So why reply at all?

Originally posted by abe froman
reply to post by LittleByLittle

 

if killing is evil and satan somehow managed to get god to kill off job's children does that mean even god couldn't resist the temptation just to assuage his pride?

Just because someone get connection to the other side do not mean they are stable and sometimes the internal ego get weird ideas since the human mind is not to bright and that is why some people create an internal watcher to measure the minds ideas to make sure they at least have control over their own actions.

A lot of things are said done by god but the bad rep in different stories is mostly of human ego nature and misunderstanding. The real source of religions have no pride. Pride is a human thing and get in the way of love and fun. The important thing is to evolve souls so they can be in the light and become more than they where.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Michael Cremo also believes that humans have lived on Earth for billions (with a "b") of years and is a Hindu.

Mainstream scholars call his book "pseudoscience" and he has yet to submit any of his experimental data for peer review, meaning none of his claims have been proven or even seriously considered.

Seems like you're suffering from a case of confirmation bias.

He is an award winning archaeologist and he goes into length about submissionsnjnto peer-reviewed articles he has posted on the tintervoew. I just listened again to the C2C interview from this year and it concluded about 1( minutes ago. From the time stamp on you post it's quite clear you listened to none of it whatsoever. So find your own into from now on. I'm tired of digging things up for people because they ask for more jnformation, then when I provide things they piss right on the time and effort and don't want to read or watch the information they asked for and I wasted my time to find for them. It gets rather old, sorry. Enjoy your day.

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Because when he shows up in the garden as the shining one he is already evil.

Good point. But is it discovered at that point? Or was his falling when he was cursed by God after he tempted Eve?

No, his falling was when he uttered the famous 6 "I will"s. He fell because of pride. When he was lying to Eve in the garden he was already disgraced and fallen.

Originally posted by mikegrouchy
Well ... if we're going to be sticklers about it
the book of Job says it was The Lord, not God.
I challenge you to find a copy of Job that says "God" made the bet.

Mike

Challenge Accepted.

That's a very cute theological game of semantics you're playing there. I wonder how long you've told yourself this, so that you can cram this story into your comfortable theological worldview.

Your idea, while creative, is deeply flawed. You speak as though the bible were written in English, or as though the english version is a perfect translation. I hope you realize that, of course, neither of those things is true. (And I would think the numerous differing english translation would be sufficient proof of that.) The words "God" and "Lord" as we see them in english versions of the bible are usually actually more like place-holders, typically for a proper "name" of god. "God" and "Lord" are not the only "place holders," either. There are a few more, including "The Lord God" (used in some bible versions) as well as more specific appellations such as "The Lord of Hosts" which are actually more accurately translated.


The reality is that "god" and "lord" are English words, and as place-holders in the bible, are used to represent some of the many names for "god" that are used biblically, such as YHVH, ADONAI, ELOHIM, etc.


So I guess all that would beg the question: What / which "name(s) of god" are actually used in JOB? That is, in the original Hebrew-- y'know... the "real" bible...



Now, if they're using the english "lord" in Job, I believe that is actually a bad translation-- because ADONAI, if memory serves, is more accurately translated as "lord." And I do not believe that word is used in Job (predominantly, if at all.) Quite ironically, from what I've been able to gather, the word (representing "god") most used in the book of Job is ELOAH, which is the singular form of "elohim" (elsewhere in the bible, god is, oddly enough, referred to using this plural form of the word, "elohim.")

And quite ironically, considering the point you were trying to make, ELOAH is the one word in the bible which does properly translate to "god." (Whereas "elohim" would be "gods.")


The word "eloah" ("god") can be found in the following passages in JOB:

Job 3:4,23; 4:9; 5:17; 6:4,8f; 9:13; 10:2; 11:5ff; 12:6; 15:8; 16:20f; 19:6, 21, 26; 21:9, 19; 22:12, 26; 27:3,8,10; 29:2, 4; 31:2, 6; 33:12, 26; 35:10; 37:15, 22; 39:17; 40:2


So the being referenced in Job is, in fact being called "god." Interestingly, though, from what I read, "eloah" is not widely used outside the book of Job. So who knows... maybe you can hold out hope for your theory. Though I still insist your premise (that the english bible is a perfectly accurate translation) is seriously flawed.

Even better, for your theory, might be the fact that in a few (only a few) of the other places "Eloah" is used outside of Job, it is in reference to a pagan deity. However, if memory serves, "Elohim" is used in the Genesis account. So if Eloah / Elohim is meant to represent some "other" (presumably non-christian) god, then it represents the god who created this earth (according to the bible.) In other words-- the "god" in Job is the very same as the creator.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I'm all for reading information if you have it, but I do not want to sit around and listen to a podcast. I digest information better when it is in written form and I enjoy reading much more than listening to people ramble on about things that may or may not pertain to what I'm looking for. Sorry, but that's how it is with me.

If you have a link to an article or something I'd be more than willing to check it out, but I'm not going to listen to a podcast.

reply to post by iwilliam

The reality is that "god" and "lord" are English words, and as place-holders in the bible, are used to represent some of the many names for "god" that are used biblically, such as YHVH, ADONAI, ELOHIM, etc.

Great reply, however this portion is in accurate. God doesn't have numerous names throughout the Bible. He has only one proper Name and that is YHVH. All the other ones are titles, of those there are almost 100. But other than that, good response.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I'm all for reading information if you have it, but I do not want to sit around and listen to a podcast. I digest information better when it is in written form and I enjoy reading much more than listening to people ramble on about things that may or may not pertain to what I'm looking for. Sorry, but that's how it is with me.

If you have a link to an article or something I'd be more than willing to check it out, but I'm not going to listen to a podcast.

Then get his books on Amazon, don't know what else to tell you. There are three great interviews. Perhaps it's just me, but I love Coast to Coast AM.

As God intended for this conversation between Himself and satan to be read someday, He wanted to reader to understand what satan is upto. Much like if God had a "wire" on Himself, and was trying to identify for the "police" what and where satan had going on.

The story of Job shows a man tested unlike any other has or will be tested, it also is a story showing how much God actually blocks, how blessed we actually are, and where will we run to when the day of testing comes along. Does it seem cruel God killed most of Jobs family and seemingly tortured him? Yes and no, yes for obvious reason, and no because the Lord gave those blessings to Job, and the Lord gave those days to the ones He took away from. Are days and our lives and all things we have, they do not belong to us, if you read through Job you will find an in depth discussion between Job and God detailing just that.

Jobs suffering showed that deep down Job was a man of God, and satan was shown to be the loser. Job may not have wanted to be the "pawn" here, I am sure he didn't want that, but the glory he brought to the Lord, and to anybody who reads of his trials, trumps any other thing in his life. The story of Job shows our lives are not our own, and at the same time, our lives can bring tremendous glory to God and others.

To answer the original question, no I do not believe God and satan are friends, all it takes is common sense and to read the basic principles of the Bible. Did God and satan have a conversation on a deeply philisophical level detailing each one of us? Absolutely. What truly is a man made of, take away everything from his life, what would you find?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by spartacus699

 

I don't know everything, but I do know that killing babies isn't an act of love. I also know that justifying baby killing is pretty sick and weak-minded.

To each his own I guess.

By the way, I'm not an atheist. For some reason, Christians accuse me of being an atheist all the time.

The one factor people don't take into account is back then it was before mid evil days. So people were savages. Not like today where we're a lot more civil about matters. So ya everyday it was kill or be killed plain and simple. We have a hard time understanding that in modern times.

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You got plenty of folks who act like savages today too. Some of them behead people on YouTube, or shoot others dead in the street of Chicago for a pair of shoes, and others boil their enemies in oil. There have always been evil people since day one.

reply to post by spartacus699

The one factor people don't take into account is back then it was before mid evil days. So people were savages. Not like today where we're a lot more civil about matters. So ya everyday it was kill or be killed plain and simple. We have a hard time understanding that in modern times.

There is nothing "civil" about this world. We have prisons in every nation in the world full of deviants who proclaim otherwise, and the hundreds of millions of others who go unnoticed and uncaught. There is no peace in this world, neither is there any justice. Nothing can undo the horror, pain, fear and terror victims of rapists, serial killers, robbers etc. etc. etc., once their evils have been committed it goes out and it does not return and nothing you can ever do to those people will ever be enough punishment, what is done is done.

The only thing that separates this "civilization" from the "kill or be killed" world is that food and medicine is readily and more easily accessible. When the food runs short and famine and disease sets in, you will watch men turn into animals.