Greetings. A Roswell theory to begin.

Hello, fellow theorists.

I was recently referred to this forum by one of my buddies from several other "conspiracy" related forums that I frequently post on. Rather than talk about myself I figured I'd begin with some musings I've been having and show you what I've got.

I've been comparing the materials found at Roswell to various pieces of lore, mythology, and history from the ages and have come up with some interesting parallels. This all ties into the "parallel" or "multiple" reality quantum logic that has recently been spawned out of the Higgs-Boson/Indeterminecy law merger.

Several types of debris were found at the initial crash site which was located at the Ungar Ranch in Chaves County. Each type has interesting links to certain key pieces of a timeless Egyptian mythology tale (the mother of all stories, in a sense) that has been retold over the ages.

1. Memory metal - Intelligence Officer Jesse Marcel (and others) claimed that most of the debris which was recovered was a mylar-like material with an aluminum-like finish. This material was almost weightless, indestructible and was surprisingly able to return to its original shape after being crumbled up. The officers who retrieved the debris were completely unable to break or alter it from its original form. This is remarkable and bears a metaphorical similarity to a "thought form" which is malleable but can return to its original identity. The Egyptian Thoth (the self-created) was said to have been the only being to have gazed into and become the void without losing his mind. Perhaps he himself was able to become anyone (teleporting to and fro) and then return to his original self.

2. Indestructible balsa wood - Major Marcel also described a sort of lightweight balsa wood I-beam with heiroglyph-like markings. This was said to be unbreakable and unburnable. The officers even fired a few rounds into it but were unable to affect it in any way. This may be a reference to the "Tree of Life," which the man/god Thoth was said to have given to his "Angels of the Seven Stations" before he went to fight off the void or "universal consciousness."

3. Parchment pressed with purple flowers - Most interestingly, the officers recovered what appeared to be a sort of "wallpaper" or thin, clear parchment which contained purple flowers inlaid and pressed. These flowers may have been a representation of Thoth's wife. Nephthys (as she was called) was said to be the sister of Isis and was the only member of the Egyptian pantheon to have continuous faith in her husband even AFTER he left to battle the void. Her color was purple and she is often represented by purple flowers. Thoth was said to have hidden her on a planet where "the skies were the oceans." This reference sounds a bit like the planet earth.

Any thoughts?

Glad to be here.

- Kai D Kravit

Hi welcome to ATS, first enjoy your stay, secondly here's my opinion.


No one has been arrested over roswell.....

No one ever has been arrested for disclosure

Those area 51 programs on television seem to be directly influenced by government.

Do not ever trust our government for an answer, infact don't trust them at all.



If the government tries to coerce me into believing there's anything behind a curtain, I'm absolutely certain there's nothing behind that curtain.



Also I saw a timecraft....why would I waste time thinking it's aliens when I've seen a craft that makes every youtube UFO video seem like a waste of spacetime.


Just my 2 dollars worth of opinion.

reply to post by Knives4eyes


I have no doubt that you saw what you saw. However, we are realizing more and more that the logical existence of any one thing does not deny the logic existence of any other thing. It is possible that SOME UFO's are time craft. It is more possible that they are "dimension hoppers" or able to jump reality to reality. At the very least, if they are coming here, they are doing it by bending space. The nearest places that life could be originating from are so drastically far away that if these things are coming here (which I believe they are) they must be warping the fabric of space/time in order to literally bring point A to point B, rather than using primitive propulsion methods. If one could develop a ship that could literally pass through every conceivable point in every conceivable reality at every possible time, one would only have to pick where it is they wished to stop.

1. no first hand witness described the foil like material as a "memory metal". the descriptions given in first hand accounts actually correspond to the mylar material used to make rawin sondes or radar "corner reflectors"
2. another component used in making the radar reflectors was balsa wood to keep the sondes lightweight, the balsa wood was coated with glue to make it very strong and exceedingly hard to burn. i've been looking into roswell for years and have never heard ANY witness accounts of anyone shooting at any roswell recovered material.
3. due to the war effort many materials were scarce and many projects were sub contacted out to various companies. the rawin sondes used (by the NYU balloon project at alamagordo afb close to and in the windpath of the jb foster ranch) were actually manufactured by a toy company. the adhesive tape used to secure the mylar to the balsa wood frames was covered with pink/purple irredesent symbols resembeling diamonds,flowers, etc.
welcome to ATS. deny ignorance.

reply to post by abe froman


Read the accounts of Jesse Marcel (the intelligence officer who originally picked up the debris), his son Marcel Jr., and RAAF Press Officer Walter Haut. They all described exactly what I am describing here. What you are referring to is the original RAAF cover story that was given 2 days after the event took place. They, in fact, have already gone back on the story you are detailing and have themselves admitted that it was a "Project: Mogul," a high altitude Soviet monitoring project. This occurred in 1997 but is most probably another cover.

reply to post by Knives4eyes


tell me more of this timecraft! this is the subject i'm really interested in and even here on ats there is very little info outside of project pegasus ,montauk, and titor.

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
I have read all of the above. project mogul put low frequency microphones aloft to "listen" for soviet nuclear testing. it did this using the NYU balloon project out of alamagordo afb. setting the ulf microphone aloft with balloon trains and tracking it with radar hence the rawin "radar reflector" sondes. its what i've been talking about and is exactly what the roswell debris consisted of.

reply to post by abe froman


A time craft is more likely a dimensional craft. Quantum particles are able to exist in multiple places at once (and in multiple dimensions). If such a craft had a "quantum" drive it could pass through multiple times at once. Imagine the universe as a rolled up rug. If the craft were able to penetrate from one side to the other, it would have to pass through many points in between, thus creating "time stamps" at various intervals in said universe. This may be the reason why the same craft has been known to appear at different times in a given place. Perhaps we are seeing "quantum echoes" of something that passed through at a given time.

PS: Long live the Sausage King of Chicago

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
Marcel's original accounts correspond exactly to mogul. Over 30 years later his story changed after being paid by- The National Enquirer. Marcel jr. was awakened in the middle of the night when he was 5 years old and shown mogul debris and his accounts considering this fit precisely. as far as Haut he never claimed any first hand knowledge of anything except for giving the press release.

reply to post by abe froman


Mylar (which is what was described as being used for Mogul) with an aluminum finish was actually not invented until a couple of years after the incident took place. Interestingly, in 1997 the Air Force also (stupidly) added that the "bodies" which were seen at the second crash site (in San Augustin) were actually crash dummies. Crash dummies were ALSO not used by the Air Force until a couple of years later.

I have to tell you, it is so GOOD to have someone to debate with who is offering me a challenge! This is refreshing. Thank you!

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
[more I like all of those ideas associated with time/dimensional travel knives says he's actually seen one I would like for that to be expanded upon,especially if he has seen it in operation or has knowledge of what it has been used for or details of it's use and missions.

The only relations to quantum mechanics I've ever heard of are what you referred to above: Al Bielek's and Preston Nichols descriptions of the Philadelphia Experiment/Project: Rainbow, etc. But it is possible (if not highly likely) that if the Air Force is using any type of reverse-engineered UFO technology, it is powered by some sort of space-bending or quantum drive like the one he is describing. Whitley Strieber and John Mack have also discussed the likelihood that "grey" aliens are actually quantum future versions of ourselves which have journeyed to this reality in order to teach or enlighten people as to their origins and possible future realities.

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42

Think about the wrappers that hershey bars come in, and the foil inside cigarette packs. that stuff was around at least a decade before roswell. the air force roswell report was absolutely filled with non sense. the crash test dummy part for sure.(watch videos of them dropping those dummies from basically outer space it's pretty cool) However nobody mentioned bodies until 30 years after the event and of the 3 that claim to be eyewitnesses they've all been caught lying.Gerald Anderson, Glenn Dennis,and Jim Ragsdale all have been BUSTED. one thing that does bother me about roswell that is a fact is that marcel was transferred to the foreign technology alien capabilities division (alien meaning foreign not extra terrestrial) why would you put a man there that apparently couldnt tell the difference between what was basically a weather balloon and a flying saucer?

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
i am interested in the idea of greys being us from the future it seems like greys are the subconcious representation of an evolved us. I read a couple of streiber's books before communion came out and i think hes full of snip and was just cashing in on the phenomonon. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. (and with my bad back i shouldn't be throwing anyone:roll

reply to post by abe froman


Have you read about Barney Barnett? He was a Soil Conservation employee who was out doing a land survey. He was the original witness to the 2nd crash, which I believe to be a part of the first crash. It is likely that some sort of piece malfunctioned or exploded, raining debris over the ranch, and that the craft itself came down 200 miles away in the plains. Barnett also claimed he ran into a group of geology students who were exiting Bat Cave. The entire group testified that they saw the same thing.

reply to post by Knives4eyes


Going back a bit...

Actually, Mac Brazel WAS taken into custody by MP's after the Roswell event. He was kept for almost 3 days in custody where he claimed he was spoken to by an unknown agency who attempted to convince him that he did not see what he saw.

This is where the famous line, "Well, they weren't green." came from.

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
the problem with the barnett story is that its not first hand. a couple said "one time barney told us ..." thats a major problem with almost all of the more bizarre accounts they tend to be second and third hand accounts.

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
there are some interesting things that happened to brazel, notably that he was sequestered by some sort of agents and when released had no more to say and all of a sudden got a brand new truck. the "they aint green line"
was dwight yokum playing brazel in the roswell movie he didnt really say it himself. after he got his new truck he didnt really talk about it at all anymore.

The new truck is key. And he did, in fact, say those words. In several of Maj. Donald Keyhoe's books he goes into detail about this. Jesse Marcel also backed this account up. And while we're on the topic...what is your opinion of the initial story change from the Roswell Daily Record July 8 to 9?

reply to post by KaiDKravitVALIS42
There is debris you want to clean up, you say we have recovered it (i.e. we have it in our custody nothing to see out there) keeping the people from going out there themselves. once everything is REALLY cleared out then you can change the story to whatever you want.