Healing the African American People

Originally posted by Willtell
reply to post by undo

 

I agree with you, it’s just that your post was so rare coming from ATS (which often sounds like a Klan gathering) that I was wondering about your sincerity

nope, not klan! and you can thank this very awesome nearly 7ft tall black man that saved my ditzy teenage white self from a rape - robbery, 30 years ago.



no i'm not saying hammer saved me. i just like hammer. lol

Originally posted by TheMagus

actions always speak louder than worlds
until the equality is visible and the institutionalized racism is dealt with, words will mean nothing

there are alot of people who never express how they feel about something until it's nearly too late to say anything. and many who will complain but actually love the source of their complaint.

for example (this is kind of a silly example but it's about the psychology of the situation), people who have a favorite video game or movie series, will gripe and complain if anything happens in subsequent versions of those games or movies, that they deem to be complaint worthy. it isn't that they don't love them, it's that they have come to expect better from them. this is race relations and human interactions, in a nut shell. psychologically, we may love each other, but we are not always great at expressing it, but will express it loud and clear if something is amiss in the relationship.

healing in any relationship begins with love!

reply to post by undo

Your question alone promotes division, anger, misunderstanding and a very simplistic view of reality. What do I mean? Why would YOU want anyone to say we LOVE YOU African Americans. Who are the 'WE', because it is impossible to speak for everyone, "WE" doesn't cut it.

Why not say it is a good and loving experience to love Asians, Native American, Irish Americans, etc., they have all been slaves at one point or another.......as have many around the world NOT just in the U.S.A.

Unfortunately you are trying to take a historic (slavery of all colors of people have been known to have occurred since the 1700's B.C., it did not begin in the United States of America), It has happened around the globe to many cultures for many reasons, but primarily to maintain some type of control over the minority and to make them do hard labor for their own profits. Slavery in Africa, today, Blacks holding other Blacks as slaves is happening right now, including rape and murder.

The Spaniards brought black slaves to North America over 300 years ago. Years later Great Britain brought Africans to the colonies, not yet a free country, to due hard labor. So this is not unique, nor is it a recent travesty in United States or even the world.....it has happened for 1000's of years. A little research verifies this.

In the United States, no other minority has been given so much to help them then any other culture on the face of the world (so yes we love people). The U.S. gives more aid and help 3x if not more than all other nations combined to help the suffering in the world with food and medical help. We do it here in the U.S. too.

When you have hateful comments which border on racism by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Van Jones and a whole host of members from the Black Caucus that is not there to brin unity but to bring hatred, division and to blame others for the crimes that Blacks are creating againsts Blacks, only alienates people, divides them.

The President indicated that people lock their car doors when they see an african american or a group of african american cross a roadway.....he didn't answer the question, either of the poor alone woman in an elevator clutching her purse. The question is WHY??? Because we are afraid of crime, bodily harm, robbery, and ultimately death.

Black American youth have a disadvantage for some, because of their parents, lack of and the hatred in the music that they listen to where blacks call other blacks nigga's and b$tches. and let's kill the f&cking cops. You do not hear the Black African American leaders reaching out to the children telling them that we love you....and We Will Stop This......NO, you don't understand, this 2013, cultures and races from all over the world flood to try to come to America. If they work hard, obey our laws and be a good person, people, neighbors will come and help and rescue their fellow people.

So this is not about white people not loving black people, because we do. The real question, and the answer lies in the decision of when Black Leaders stop promoting hate, lies and the easy way out, and start to visibly begin to help the under privileged and to emphatically rebel against the gangsta, thug, hip hop racial, biased screams coming from African Americans themselves.

The constant crutch, fall back and blame will always be what happened a long time ago, they don't want to let it go, it's an excuse, an entitlement, and it is all inflamed by their own Black Leaders who love the attention, money, benefits and pseudo-god like adornment thrown up them by their peers.to promote division and distraction to solving real problems like drinkable water, sewage, gas prices and a slew of other problems affecting ALL people. ALL People.

So, take a look at the history of slavery and you will find it isn't pretty, but no other country in the world has done more to try and fix the inequities than in the U.S. The negatives and problems continue and are flamed and racists unfortunately by the same people representing the constituents they are supposed to be helping...it is a crime and if fully investigated and reported by fair Journalists, WE would be appalled at the misuse and abuse of black upon black crime. For people like Al Sharpton who is being sued for his numerous lies and tax evasion and affairs, the Media won't touch it, if they do, they do, they are lablled racist, but they are the same ones locking their car doors.

Love is something born, taught, lived, shown, and done...action. Just saying it fixed nothing, and unfortuately again, many would be unable to actually read such a statement let alone understand it. Sorry for the rant, but, LOVE is FOR EVERYONE!!! Peace!!

reply to post by ItDepends


yes i know love is for everyone. here's an analogy

you have a hospital. you're the doctor. you walk into the room where the patients are all lined up in beds and ask your nurse who is the most injured, so you can start treatment based on severity of injury.

this is how i view race relations in the usa. we start with the most injured. it doesn't negate other injuries. it doesn't even negate the person who only thinks they are injured. everyone in the hospital is there because they are either 1) injured, 2) not injured but think they are.

reply to post by undo

healing in any relationship begins with love!

I see you conveniently ignore alot of what I have said in your thread. No matter.

As I asked before, since you have all of this love to offer, and you want them to know that white people love them so much, why not move to an integrated neighborhood, send your kids to predominantly black schools, and start walking to work so you can get to know everyone who lives there.

You said it has to start somewhere, so why not be the catalyst for the change you keep preaching on this thread?

No need to answer back if you were going to. I'm out.

Good luck getting people to join you in your quest to let blacks know that "whitey loves them".

reply to post by Cancerwarrior


gonna answer you anyway. this is the issue. if all they ever hear from their leaders is that white people (who some of them categorize as latino and native americans as well) hate them, how else are we gonna get the message out that that's not true? i've been robbed and nearly raped by 2 black guys at gun point in a black neighborhood and saved by another black guy who was like an angel. he's one of my all time heroes, right up there with my awesome mom, sister and of course, jesus christ.

anyway, i know it sounds frivolous but it isn't.

reply to post by undo


Thank you, but where is the analogy. If the hospital if full of injured patients, and the nurse identifies the patient (from education, experience) with injuries or a medical situation that requires immediate attention, Then shouldn't that patient be attended to first?

Just because the person down the hall is screaming in pain, but has been evaluated by this educated and experienced nurse, doesn't mean they should get bumped to the beginning of the line. Has nothing to do with race, color, creed, sex or anything....all it has to do with is, who needs help now. So I apologize, but I do not see the analogy of giving help to someone who needs it and equating it with words from one race to another saying I love you. We all need LOVE. And I do not mean to minimize the plight of african americans in America. However, there are dozens of countries around the world that are mistreating human beings right now in unbelievable ways.

The so called race problem in the U.S. is a cottage industry that allows a bunch of talking heads spew their own twist on the cable and news channels in 15-20 second bytes. It incites people, divides people and hurts the process. How about a simple thank you. Instead of promoting cd's that say you need to slap your b$tch nigga and shoot that cracka and cop if you wanna join our gang. That's part of the problem.....but people who lock their car doors, clutch their pocket books or cross the street do this in fear....real fear. Just saying we love you is nice and cozy and *wipes hands* 'did my'' part, and nothing changes.......Don't you see what the real problem is??? The african american leadership is failing their own communities, and continues to instill hate, bring up things that were indeed historical horrible, hundreds of years ago, But I was 22 years ago, am I to blame, or is it my responsibility today in 2013 to treat people ALL people with respect and courtesy and compassion? And when I see injustice, call it out....irregardless of race???

Stop kissing their asses. Whatever happened in the past I don't owe them jack, my family never owned slaves and that b.s. is a copout. I'm not going to apologize or kiss ass over something I didn't do. I refuse to be held responsible for what someone else did. African americans are already on a pedestal. A white person needing welfare help, their application ends up at the bottom of the pile where African Americans are given precedence and I've seen it happen. You and people like you are turning this nation into a welfare state. Enough is enough.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Stop kissing their asses. Whatever happened in the past I don't owe them jack, my family never owned slaves and that b.s. is a copout. I'm not going to apologize or kiss ass over something I didn't do. I refuse to be held responsible for what someone else did. African americans are already on a pedestal. A white person needing welfare help, their application ends up at the bottom of the pile where African Americans are given precedence and I've seen it happen. You and people like you are turning this nation into a welfare state. Enough is enough.

you're reading it wrong.
i'm sure you'll agree that slavery is wrong. and that the black people went thru some horrible stuff, as a race. and that there is currently entirely too much horrible stuff still happening in the inner cities where the bulk of the black community lives.

realize that what started as an issue that only was resolved a generation ago, resulted in the time between when slavery ended and the civil rights act was instituted, in impoverishment, some of it self-inflicted, some of it community inflicted and some inflicted as a result of racism. the end result was a vicious cycle of poverty which has been frequently solved, internally, by cheating the system, theft and drug dealing. the entire environment is toxic, not just environmentally, but also socially. it's my belief, because of the preponderance of evidence, that most of the black community in the inner cities is suffering with PTSD

i'm not saying you have to apologize. i'm not saying you should feel guilty. this isn't about race. it's not about reverse racism. i'm saying it's poverty motivated and as a result of toxic environment.

love heals. hate doesn't. that's what i'm saying.

reply to post by luciddream


You're right it can't be all four.

There is no way in hell that he wants or stands for peace.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
What about those hundreds of thousands of White Union soldiers who died to end slavery?

You are right. Hundreds of thousands of white folks died to end slavery.
An ancestor of mine died at Sharpsburg.

This was the battle that led Lincoln to issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
It was the Union dead who won the battle, allowing Lincoln the political power to do so but at a fearful cost.
Sept 17, 1862 was the bloodiest day in American history with 22,000 casualties.
Even more dead than at D-Day.
You're a Northerner since we Southerners know the battle as Antietam.

reply to post by ButterCookie


There is more to it than simply the 'Southern Strategy' sweetie. There are alot of other forces out there at play but it all boils down to economics.

When you have the power to employ yourself you don't need the government to assist you. But then again, corporations, including Republicans have their hands and mouths open for that government assistance. There is no problem with it, if it's needed.

Both sides of the political party are playing black people, not just Democrats, Republicans too. Take a look at some of the ridiculous new laws the Republicans want to pass in North Carolina when it comes to voting and I'm not talking about just the voter id (every American should have some form of identification anyway).

Look, there is more to this problem than just "Shut up and get a job". The plight of black people now, in this country is no different other groups of people in other nations that are stricken with poverty. You think it's bad here, try being poor and black in Brazil, that's the realness.

It's money. That allows you to climb that social economic ladder. That's why the poorest are the quickest to show case their wealth. Because visibly, i'm not "poor". See my Bugatti? Don't take my word for it, read some of the essays by W.E.B Du Bios and Fredrick Douglas and you will realize that the problems they had then are the same ones facing us now. Not that much has changed except that black people no longer support themselves economically now like they did way back when.

this has been an interesting thread. thanks to all the contributors. don't forget to link to your own source info where available when making a point.

Originally posted by undo
this has been an interesting thread. thanks to all the contributors. don't forget to link to your own source info where available when making a point.

edit on 26-7-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)

Another consideration. Since race issues are not excluded to the U.S. only, but exist everywhere on the face of the earth, perhaps this message may resonate with many if circulated WW? Perhaps...........

Love One And Other

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Stop kissing their asses. Whatever happened in the past I don't owe them jack, my family never owned slaves and that b.s. is a copout. I'm not going to apologize or kiss ass over something I didn't do. I refuse to be held responsible for what someone else did. African americans are already on a pedestal. A white person needing welfare help, their application ends up at the bottom of the pile where African Americans are given precedence and I've seen it happen. You and people like you are turning this nation into a welfare state. Enough is enough.

How Many Slaves Work for You?

Actually no. That smart phone. that t-shirt, computer, cup of coffee...

that's stuff we buy, and that's stuff that comes from slaves

also:

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

-Matthew 6:24

@Undo,

first the disease needs to be eliminated, only then can any healing occur

reply to post by TheMagus


okay fess up. what's the disease? capitalism? money?

reply to post by ItDepends


thanks for sharing. adorable pic.

Originally posted by undo
nightangelus

no, they are not sitting pretty. come on, this is not a genetic problem. it's a societal problem that has festered.

I never said it was a genetic problem?

They're only as sequestered as people who are socially challenged make them, and that doesn't just include racists... that also includes people who still give them the sympathy card, like you are by making this thread, or like Obama was when he threw gas on the Zimmerman trial fire.

You do know that racism goes both ways, right?

I've been white all my life, but that didn't stop the African American kids from jumping me in middle school.

Come on. People are just people, stop putting the spotlight on African Americans.

We ALL have some healing to do. We're ALL part of a broken society.

reply to post by Willtell


Lol...no, no it is not anarchy. It's perfectly attainable in a capitalist economy.

Originally posted by undo
The African American people have been sorely abused in this country. We all know it. When our lawmakers and our people fought to end slavery, we thought everything was going to be okay. We were wrong. Then, many years later, the Civil Rights act, solved many of the post civil war problems, as well. The Equal Opportunity act helped it along also. And now, decades later, we find they are still suffering. From what, you might ask? Well, let me show you:

I submit to you, that the horrific living conditions many black americans found themselves in as a result of generational poverty, which itself was spawned by the after effects of slavery 200 years ago, has resulted in an entire racial group suffering with rampant, devastating, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The people of our inner cities don't need riots, they don't need drug lords, they don't need gun fights, they need Healing. They need love. We have have HAVE to find a way to reach out to these people as a nation.

This is a graphic I made to see if i can generate a change of perspective in people's viewpoints, to begin the healing of a people we know as the African American people

Please take this graphic and share it with others. Make a youtube of it. Something, Anything. It's time to stop worrying about us, and start caring about them

WOW, idiotic load of white guilt, illogical bull#, much? FIRST of all, people like you make it out as if blacks were the ONLY people to be enslaved LOL, practically EVERY group/race of people have been enslaved, just as EVERY civilization practiced slavery and had slaves. Slavery has been practiced since the dawn of man, even before the first form of writing or even civilization was created, from Asians, to AFRICANS, to Arabics, to Europeans... So... Why hasn't every other race that has been enslaved had the very same 'problems' and 'things' that are even remotely CLOSE to what slavery has allegedly caused black Americans to have?

Why is it that no other race or group of people that have been enslaved have a history of ever having such 'suppression', SEVERE problems as an entire people due to, and so on? You would surely think that at least ONE instance of this would be present. For one (of the MANY) example, what about Jews? After all, they were enslaved multiple times, persecuted, exiled from many places that they attempted to live in, killed, and coming more than half way close to extinction via starvation and murder during WW2. Why don't they have any of these problems? In fact, they seem to have the opposite, as they are one of the wealthiest, and most successful groups in the world, and they don't exactly contribute to a large amount of crime- as in the last three decades, in every country that they inhabit besides their native country (Israel) they have never been more than 1% of the penitentiary population... Hmm...

Examples like the above are literally endless.. And so is the magnitude of the one-sided, hypocracy.. Why don't you ever hear about the millions of whites who were slaves to Arabics for around three hundred years, abducted from their home lands in Europe, thrown onto ships, taken to northern Africa and forced to be slaves, lasting until as recent as black slavery ended? Why don't you hear about how the very same people, Arabics, also enslaved blacks, doing so since EXTREMELY ancient times, enslaving them in numbers well over 20 million? Why, why, why? Why isn't it told tthat the BLACKS THAT WERE BROUGHT OVER FROM Africa TO America, by whites were ALREADY SLAVES and or prisoners of war to be killed, BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE and NEIGHBORING TRIBES?

This country has done and is doing EVERYTHING that is possible, and beyond for blacks to atone and give reparations for slavery, something that no other civilization has EVER done for their slaves..Not only did we abolish it in our own countries, in part went to war because of so, we are the only ones to have made a global effort to abolish it world wide (and interestingly enough the only country that it is still legal in is Africa), we have made and bended laws for them, we have compensated and to this day still do compensate them in every way that is possible. As I said before, where was every other group's compensation via their enslavers (NEVER happened), WHY haven't Arabics, who have had by FAAAAR the most black slaves (stemming from ancient times) made reparations for them, given them any compensation, let alone even apologizing for it or even acknowledging it?