Buckeye Firearms Association Seeking Donations To Buy George Zimmerman A New Gun

reply to post by Diisenchanted


Thank you for pointing that out.

The ACLU should be all over this without question. They should be making a Stink in the media. You can only wonder what is to be gained by them for standing idle while those rights that they claim to defend are violated like a drunk prom date.

I think they should be dragged out on the carpet and made to answer for their shear negligence.

reply to post by tomutheyounger


I call that a voice of reason.

That you don't agree with the verdict, but, also don't agree about the violation of his rights says a little something about your character.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by n3mesis

 

I think you missed the point.

It is Not about the dollar.

It is about those Freedoms that WE as U.S. Citizens are guaranteed based on the doctrines set forth by Our Forefathers.

i won't spoil it for you.. if that's how you really feel i won't ruin your belief.

reply to post by n3mesis


Surely you jest.

It is Not about a belief system. It is about the facts.

There is no potential to spoil anything that is fact.

That is the beauty of it.

Originally posted by riffraff

Originally posted by n3mesis
haha incredible. capitalism at it's finest. no tragedy is to tragic, no opportunity missed. lets hear it for the almighty dollar!!

What's funny is imagining you seething with anger behind your keyboard. You just HAD to chime in with this post that is çompletely irrelevant and adds no value to the topic of the thread.

An innocent man's firearm is being kept from him indefinitely by an unjust federal government. Concerned citizens want to buy him a new one because they know with the roll of the dice it could be them, me, or even you in Zimmmermans shoes. But its soooo much easier too take half-cooked, teen angst stabs at capitalism,huh?
Now I'm in the mood to listen to some Rage Against The Machine.

i'm strapt to the hilt, i love our american rights, laws and amendments, i love america. but while you're in the living room, high-fives and couch-dives.. you're only fooling yourself thinking your remark, statement.. holds any merit and i'm not angry at all i stopped letting things like this get to me long ago hence my "haha" remark.

Yeah give let us arm a murderer. Watch out black kids..they are about to arm a killer.

Do not look suspicious to Zimmerman or any right winger...like be outside at night because as we all know black kid out at night...must be up to good...

Good Job America... tell me why again your a powerful country, oh all muscle no brain...

I have a novel idea. For once in a Zimmerman thread lets not feed the trolls. Maybe if they get bored of noone replying they'll go spew their nonsense someplace it belongs, like the the David Icke threads

reply to post by Onslaught2996


Good thing you are not on a jury. You are supposed to uphold the law, not uphold your beliefs. Zimmerman was found not guilty based upon the evidence presented. Did you see the evidence? I think not. You are basing a verdict based upon your beliefs not based upon evidence. Much the same as Obama and Holder therefore your opinion has about as much creditability as theirs does. By the way that is not saying a lot.

You might not want to keep calling him a murderer. Without proof that is what is called slander, or defamation of character. Which by the way is a suable offence. If you have evidence that the jury hasn't seen you might want to present it. If not then you might want to watch what you saw it can be used against you! I think it would be funny if Zimmerman read your post and sued your butt off.

Just my 2 cents.

Now this looks like a thread to go to bed on. Something a bit uplifting and positive. Holder must be personally pissed over this one. I think he had taken it personally to think the very gun used in the shooting would be given back in a public spectacle made by media over it.

Now Zimmerman will likely end up with enough to open a gun store, let alone have a single gun for himself. I call that rich.

I'd make a couple suggestions for a gun he might like, from among some of the named Taurus models, in fact ...but that might be a step too far for some, even by this topic's standards. (tries hard not to grin) I'd send some if I had it spare to offer, though!

reply to post by Diisenchanted


I say go for it Zimmerman..

The way his defense made him sound, I doubt he has the balls to do anything.. Just like your average gun owner..

Just because the prosecution sucked at their job does not make him innocent..look at OJ..believe he is innocent? Heck look at all the other verdicts that have been wrong throughout your legal system.

No more from me...you people disgust me. You praise your justice system when it upholds your beliefs but damn it when it does something you perceive to be wrong. You are most likely against the supreme court upholding Obamacare and were on ATS damning the justice system but here you are again putting faith in it when a young black man was killed for taking a walk at night.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by Visitor2012

 

Amazing. How far over your head has this brief exchange gone?

So locked on your side of the agenda your apparently oblivious to how the words you speak could be directed at yourself.

You did say the man got away with murder after all.

 

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The only exchange is the one you interrupted when i was responding to ShadellacZumbrum. I expressed an opinion to him/her regarding what I think is a POOR example of how to PUBLICLY support the right to bare arms. Of ALL the ways to rally public support and awareness of our rights, donating a gun and bullets to an idiot who just legally shot and killed someone else's child is not one of them.
I expressed my opinion very simply and clearly. If you disagree, that's fine. Lets move on.

Originally posted by riffraff

Originally posted by Visitor2012

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by Visitor2012

 

Actually, yeah. The agenda is expressed in the difference.

 

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You've missed my point entirely. I'm talking about human compassion and decency. A fire arm association using the death of your child as a platform to expressed the Right to bare Arms is extremely bad taste.

The federal government blatantly stripping innocent citizens of their God given inalienable rights leaves a bad taste in my mouth too

Then wouldn't it be more effective to protest against the Federal Government? How does loading Zimmerman up with a new gun and ammo help that cause? Fact is, it doesn't. Just another Westboro church -like tactic to express an agenda on the back of someone else's dead child.

With all the thousands of documented cases of the federal government violating civil rights, this is the best we can come up with?

Originally posted by riffraff

Originally posted by Visitor2012

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by n3mesis

 

I think you missed the point.

It is Not about the dollar.

It is about those Freedoms that WE as U.S. Citizens are guaranteed based on the doctrines set forth by Our Forefathers.

How noble. So if somebody guns down someone you love and gets away with it using a bogus law, we'll be sure to use that as a platform to express our Right to bare arms and restock the murderer with a new gun and bullets.

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That would be true except for one glaring disconnect in your logic. Zimmerman didn't murder anyone. Now that you've been educated please stop propagating agenda driven lies.

Interesting. What agenda are you referring to, and what lie am I propagating?

reply to post by peashooter

he should be armed with an M4 at the minimum.

I was thinking more like a Desert Eagle.

That is the weapon that can completely remove a limb with 1 round.

There are still many arguing in the Wrong direction.

Let us put the verdict aside to clear the field.

I know that there are allot of angry people that are not pleased with the outcome of the trial.

This is not about that outcome. It is about the degradation of our Rights. Those exact same rights that Each and Every U.S. Citizen is guaranteed.

Now, without making the smart ass responses or eluding to calling Mr. Zimmerman a Murderer, is it possible to get a couple of answers to some simple questions?

Do you believe in "Double Jeopardy"? If so please explain.

Do you think that it is acceptable that the Department of Justice continues to pursue a civil case against George Zimmerman even though he was acquitted by a jury of his peers? If so please explain.

Are you For having your rights diminished for the sake of one person that you do not agree with? If so please explain.

Do you believe that gun laws should be changed? If so please explain.

Do you believe that those freedoms guaranteed to every US Citizens should be re-written for the sake of this case? If so please explain.

Those are some basic questions. I am interested in hearing responses from everyone who is willing to participate and more so by those opposed to Mr. Zimmerman.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by jimmyx

 

because you know exactly what is going to be done with your donation

That is right. Like it says. They will be getting him a new gun.

What were you thinking that they were going to do with the money?

The point he's making is if they receive $25,000 worth of donations, I doubt they'll give his $25,000 woth of guns. They're going to pocket the rest. Don't be so naive.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
I think everyone that is attacking this has completely missed the whole point of this post.

It is NOT About Innocence or Guilt.

It is about the fundamental Erosion of OUR Constitutional Rights.

Every man has the Right Not to be tried for the same thing. Especially after he has been found NOT GUITLY by a jury of his peers.

Every Man has the Right to bare arms and to defend himself within the limits of the laws.

By denying him his freedoms you are in retrospect agreeing to have Your Freedoms Molested and Diminished.

Why would you agree to such a thing.

OR,. . .

Is it because it does not suit you to allow this man what Everyone has the Right to.

I would call that the Epitome of Hypocrisy.

How sad this is.

The right to bear arms isn't that important. The right to the pursuit of happiness is VERY important. One can only pursue happiness if s/he is alive. Martin has had his right taken away. Many others will also have this right taken away.

You all keep sayin Zimmerman is innocent. I haven't seen anyone making donations ot OJ to buy some new gloves and a knive. We should probably donate to buy him a new Bronco to runn from the cops again too.

Funny how the same people claiming Zimmerman is innocent will argue to death that OJ is a murderer. He can't be... he was acquitted... remember?

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Originally posted by tomutheyounger
My personal view about the Zimmerman case is that he's a murderer who got away with it.

However, he's faced trial by jury and has been found not guilty. He walks, end of story - regardless of how anyone else feels.

Attempts at extrajudicial punishment by the federal regime in the United States against Zimmerman smack of extreme institutional arrogance and just illustrate how far that nation has fallen.

Does he deserve a weapon? My own feeling is no, he doesn't, but my own feelings in this case are as irrelevant as Obama's. If he's legally entitled to own and carry a gun then there's no legal reason why he shouldn't have one. One set of laws for all is the only way a free and just society can work.

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Do crazy people deserve a gun? Would they allow their closest relatives showing symptoms of PTSD to carry a gun? How do we know that he isn't slowly developing PTSD based on the circumstance of killing Martin?

reply to post by SilentKillah


To compare this case to the OJ Simpson case is like comparing a toy poodle to a rabid pit bull.

The facts in the OJ case were very compelling. Unfortunately the jury was made up of uneducated, mostly black, and sympathetic jurors. That is why OJ was acquitted.

George was acquitted because the facts proved that he was defending himself.

Martin didn't have his rights taken away. They were completely eliminated when he decided to come to the scene and attack Zimmerman.