Barry Seal, murdered by Oliver North's goons

Back in the eighties, there was a fellow named Barry Seal. Worked for the Cartel, allegedly. Died, assasinated by a couple of cartel goons... or so some people would like us to believe.

He was running guns and drugs for the CIA. He knew too much, and they killed him.
The assassins had ties to Ollie North.

The guns were sold to the assassins by CIA agents.

Interesting side note: George W. Bush now owns Seal's plane.

is that the plane that runs all the coke out of mexico i have read storys of the cia running drugs and being caught but the pilots getting away with it and the bushes oil rigs being used to ship drugs

The story I heard...

Barry Seal,
turned states evidence in Louisiana.

The Judge in Baton Rouge sentenced him to community service
at the local Salvation Army. The date and time of the sentence
was proclaimed in open court.

His defense told the Judge, there are people who want to kill
him, this is a terrible idea, how could you do this.

The Judge responded, he can do community service, or go
back to jail.


Everyone told Seal to skip town,
save his own life,
and come back when it was time to testify.




Seal went to the Salvation Army and did his community service.







Witnesses said he was gunned down by two men with automatic weapons.

/my 2 cents.

Mike

reply to post by Grifter42


Daniel Hopsicker wrote a book all about that time. It's called Barry and the Boys. I read it about 10 years ago. I don't know if you can still find it, but if you can it is a must read.

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Barry was a CIA contract worker, IN REAL DEEP! He flew loads for the Contras and after that Mena.

I just looked at Amazon, they are charging 165$ for the book. Go to his website Madcowmorningnews.com he sells the book for about 40 bucks.

I have no reason to dispute the OP's claim, I just was hoping for a little more meat for the story. This is like showing us a menu then telling us there is no chef and we will have to cook it ourselves.

Seems strange that we don't often talk about American drug lords. Actually, they are people we talk about quite often but just not in that context. Many of the big players have been fairly well placed in our government. It just sounds so much more discreet and "polite" to speak of the second-wrung players with Hispanic surnames instead. The blame game.

If people only knew some of our actual reasons and means for going to war... It all has to do with commerce, some legit but very much of it otherwise. Why the tradition of giving poppiy flowers on Armistice Day? Much of it all started with the opium trade with China, when vast empires were built then.

Just remember, the Drug Wars were never about stopping drug traffic. It has always had to do with controlling drug traffic.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Absolutely and well put. Drugs and running them, growing them, transporting them are completely political currency and have always been. Keeping a black market in place in this country has its own layered and varied currencies, as well.

Question, though: I thought I saw a documentary with an interview with Barry Seal.....when was he murdered?

Originally posted by tetra50
Drugs and running them, growing them, transporting them are completely political currency and have always been. Keeping a black market in place in this country has its own layered and varied currencies, as well.

Question, though: I thought I saw a documentary with an interview with Barry Seal.....when was he murdered?

en.wikipedia.org...

On February 19, 1986, Barry Seal was shot to death in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in front of a branch of the Salvation Army on Airline Highway (U.S. 61), where he was required to stay as a condition of his plea bargain, making him an easy target for retaliation. As he sat in his parked Cadillac, a man carrying a MAC-10 machine pistol approached him. The man then emptied a magazine into Seal's body, neck and head, killing Seal instantly, which brought the DEA's investigation to an end. Colombian assassins sent by the Medellín Cartel were apprehended while trying to leave Louisiana soon after Seal's murder.

Of course these "Cartel" people are not always the bad guys unless it's saying so for the media or if they are not paying their "dues" to play the game. Their people are often very useful to "our people" at times, such as for putting an end to a possibly embarrassing investigation now and then.

It's really a pity we can't really discuss solutions here to this problem that makes the US the number one prison nation on Earth. The fake "drug war" is a free pass for police agencies into our homes, a reason to spy on our population, and how our privacies are being chiseled away to almost nothing nowadays. It really needs a good airing out. Unfortunately it is the nation's sacred chao.

Link

The brutal murder of Barry Seal, 46, at a Baton Rouge halfway house in 1986 would send shock waves up and down the political spectrum. It would focus the glare of the media spotlight on not only the Colombian Medellin Cartel, but also on the FBI and CIA as well as such political icons as then-Vice President George H.W. Bush and Oliver North.

Most of all, Seal’s murder would lay bare for all the world to see the seamy underbelly of America’s duplicitous war on drugs, and how drug smuggling was in fact sanctioned by powerful men in order to advance a hidden agenda. That agenda would turn up in the sordid details of the Iran-Contra scandal.

Barry Seal's murderer actually said they took orders from Oliver North. His lawyer still claims that Barry was in contact with George H.W. Bush on a regular basis. He even tells of having called the then VP using a number that Barry gave him. His part in the Iran-Contra deal is big. The part people over look is that he was tied to the CIA and anti-Castro groups years earlier.

A little more depth

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I agree with you, once more, wholeheartedly. The secrecy of it all gives it tremendous power, but that is the nature off secrecy, and the purpose of it, really: to foment and control and manipulate underneath the hedging and wedging of what cannot be said.
Respectfully,
Tetra50

In the 1987 book The Underground Empire (Amazon) President Carter formed
a special task force to answer only-to-the-president called CENTAC.

The group uncovered a world of illegal activity and developed a
method to stop it that actually worked.

After Carter left office the group CENTAC was absorbed by the CIA,
who's director happened to be Bush Sr. What he learned from them,
and later capitalized on during his own Presidency, was that

1) Noriega the ruler of Panama was using his military to move drugs,
2) The Triads banking system using stamps could deliver $1 million in gold overnight, worldwide.
3) All the heroin was coming from France in things like statues of Buddha
4) and someone called "the ghost" could get anything across the Atlantic

4) "The Ghost" turned out to be Frank Lucas.
Played by Denzel Washington in the movie "American Gangster"
He was shipping the heroin from Vietnam in the coffins of fallen soldiers,
so effectively, the US military was guarding the shipments as they crossed the Atlantic.


3) Prior to CENTAC's impounding of 1kg (2.2 lbs), no more that a few grams of heroin had ever been impounded.


2) To use one of the Triad's secret stamps one just had to go into any Chinese operated
pawn shop in any major city in the world. Once the stamp was verified, they needed
24 hours to get the $1,000,000 in gold together.





1) Carter couldn't do anything overt about Noriega because they had just signed the
Panama Canal treaty returning control of the Canal to the Panamanian people,
and it would have looked really bad. Once Bush Sr. became President, he had
Noriega captured by sending in the US army/airborne.









I would like to mention we haven't even gotten to the 90's yet,
the era of District Attorney's across the country being on the
payroll of the drug cartels. With Miami being the most totally
controlled as immortalized in the Movie Scarface.


Mike

James Mills "The Underground Empire"
still has the most shocking first two
sentences of any book I have ever read.

The inhabitants of Earth spend
more money on illegal drugs than
they spend on food. More than
they spend on housing, clothes,
education, medical care, or any
other product or service.

During Carters Administration he was destroyed politically
for causing the "recession." What really happened was
that so much money left the country for illegal drugs that
it disrupted the national economy, and as a consequence
the worlds economy. OPEC adjusted gas prices according-
ly and the notorious gas lines were caused.




Millions of Americans waiting in line for gas,
angry at the President for causing it, in their
minds, when it was the new vogue of pot and
their own behavior that was to blame.


What many fail to understand is that planning
an economy or a budget, doesn't work out right
if a substantial percentage of expenditures is
unaccounted for.

In every administration after Carters, they factor
in the loss of money through the illegal drug trade,
but they keep it on the down low, and off the books.
This way a realistic budget could be made without
the political fallout of calling all your own constituents
addicts.


By the end of the 90's crack had become so violent
and destructive that the decision was made to get
the people back onto opiates.


In the 2000's through the use of subliminals,
many people were encouraged to abuse prescription
drugs instead. This served the purpose of stopping
the bleeding of American dollars into other countries.
Just as Medical MJ seems to be doing in California.




I often wonder if the illegal Drug trade
is part of the reason Healthcare reform
seems to have so many well funded opponents.

Drug crazy: How we got into this mess and how we can get out of it (Amazon)


Mike

Originally posted by tetra50

The secrecy of it all gives it tremendous power, but that is the nature off secrecy, and the purpose of it, really: to foment and control and manipulate underneath the hedging and wedging of what cannot be said.

I suppose the way, then, to diminish that tremendous power is to keep repeating the story and continue to unveil some of the secrecy. The mass corruption is not all south of the border but at our own doorsteps insisting we let them into our homes. We shield our domestic players by making them national heros when the heat gets turned up. Barry had friends in low places. The rabbit hole is so deep it leads all the way to the top. Starting below the surface:

Link from MikeNice81's post above

In 1952, while still a teenager, Barry Seal enlisted with the Civil Air Patrol in Baton Rouge. Shortly after joining he participated in a joint training exercise with the Patrol's New Orleans unit, where he met Lee Harvey Oswald. Seal's association with Oswald and his flight instructor David Ferrie, both known to have been involved in the assassination of JFK, make his claim to have flown the getaway plane on 22 November 1963 entirely plausible.

Seal joined the Special Forces Reserve in late 1962 and about a month later was photographed in a Mexico City nightclub sitting with CIA operative Porter Goss and the rest of Operation Forty, the special operation charged with assasinating Fidel Castro.

After getting out of the Army, Seal went to work as a pilot for TWA. Fellow Operation Forty pilot Tosh Plumlee maintains that Seal moonlighted as a CIA pilot working for Ted Shackley in Laos and Vietnam, flying Special Ops missions. In 1972, Seal was arrested in New Orleans for attempting to smuggle 7 tons of C-4 to an anti-Castro group in Mexico...

Soon after being fired from TWA, Seal turned to drug smuggling as a major source of income. In December 1979 he was arrested in Guatemala with $25M worth of coc aine and imprisoned. In Sepetember 1980, he was released without being charged.

Seal soon began flying coc aine shipments into the US for the Columbian cartel. By the time Seal was arrested in Ft. Lauderdale in March 1984, he had flown over 100 flights for the Medellin, bringing between $3B and $5B worth of coc aine into the United States -- perhaps more than anyone in history.

Seal now returned to drug-smuggling with official sanction (if indeed he hadn't had it before) in return for smuggling arms to Contras in Honduras.

Before 1984 was over, Seal would be again arrested for smuggling drugs, this time marijuana. He posted bail and once again returned to smuggling drugs. In December 1985, Seal was finally sentenced to six months supervised probation. Within seven weeks he was dead, assassinated by a squad of Latin Americans in front of the halfway house.

Everything seemed to fit together -- a DEA informant had been targeted by the cartel he had betrayed. Yet soon after the assassination, the FBI showed up at the Louisiana State Police forensics lab and illegally seized all of Barry Seal's personal effects. When a state judge ordered the evidence returned, defense lawyers received an obviously ransacked suitcase. One thing the FBI had overlooked was a scrap of paper with VP George Bush's personal phone number. The assassins told their lawyers that once inside the US, they received directions from a US military official, later identified as Oliver North.

Anyways, his makes for an interesting bedtime story. Sleep tight.

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Some rather fanciful tale from that book but highly flawed. I suggest that is an attempt to whitewash the actual facts. Example -

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

After Carter left office the group CENTAC was absorbed by the CIA,
who's director happened to be Bush Sr. What he learned from them,
and later capitalized on during his own Presidency, was that
1) Noriega the ruler of Panama was using his military to move drugs,
2) The Triads banking system using stamps could deliver $1 million in gold overnight, worldwide.
3) All the heroin was coming from France in things like statues of Buddha
4) and someone called "the ghost" could get anything across the Atlantic

Bush became CIA Director in January 1976 under President Gerald Ford and left less than a year later in January 1977 when Carter took office. As Carter left office in 1981 George HW Bush became Vice President and had left the CIA directorship years before.

A large part of the "crisis" came when we were deprived of the opium fields in Southeast Asia as we left the Vietnam War.

We would like to blame it all on those durn foreigners but the truth is we expend a lot of military might to try to make sure we are controlling element of the illicit global drug trade, and the legal pharmaceutical trade as well. The big money is being spent by the most hooked nation in the world, and the lion share of those profits are not all going offshore except maybe to some Cayman Island banks where the source of the money is not so well scrutinized or documented. Best believe the US has its own drug lords working this.

I risk being banned if I were to offer the obvious and simplest solution to this problem. The most I can maybe offer here is that the present "cure" is worse than the disease, other than the economic crisis that would occur if the world were to leave this dirty business.

I stand corrected.

Thanks for that.


Mike

Surely this is a mistake!! Ollie North is a hero!!!It's certainly odd how Barry Seal's murder and the events surrounding it have been glossed over for years,along with all the other things about Iran/Contra.

Adler Berriman Seal (July 16, 1939 – February 19, 1986), better known as Barry Seal, was a United States drug smuggler and aircraft pilot who flew covert flights for the Central Intelligence Agency and the Medellín Cartel.

wikipedia /Barry Seal

The death of Seal represents the day
that America was told, what happens
in the underground empire stays in
the underground empire.


Mike

What do you make of the connection to Lee Harvey Oswald, in the early days? He and Oswald trained together in New Orleans. Now, I don't know how early the CIA connection began, but it's a creepy coincidence. If it is a coincidence.

Originally posted by Grifter42
What do you make of the connection to Lee Harvey Oswald, in the early days? He and Oswald trained together in New Orleans. Now, I don't know how early the CIA connection began, but it's a creepy coincidence. If it is a coincidence.

Amazing coincidences there. Try a variation on the old Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game with some of these people reputably involved in things ilke Iran/Contra, JFK Assassination, Watergate, etc., but try and see how many multiple two degrees connections you can make with these people and George HW Bush. Try it! It could become a popular new ATS parlor game.

The same could be said for the Reagan assassination. Hinckley's brother was set to have dinner with Neil Bush the next day. The Government is conspiring to sell narcotics to the people in order to fuel the drug war, and the prison industrial complex.