Violence erupts in France over police check of veiled Muslim woman

reply to post by sheepslayer247


No, the husband was not morally justified. He should be sent back to what ever third world country he came from.

Islam has a terrible reputation, and Western nations are just starting to take action to deal with those who hide behind religion to do terrible things to others.

No one should be out in public with their face covered, unless it is Halloween.

reply to post by poet1b

No, the husband was not morally justified.

What would you do if someone grabbed your wife's clothing (whether its a veil or not is irrelevant) and pushed their mother? Regardless of religious belief, any man would be very inclined to protect his wife. Its a natural response I think.

He should be sent back to what ever third world country he came from.

Islam has a terrible reputation, and Western nations are just starting to take action to deal with those who hide behind religion to do terrible things to others.

Islam has a terrible reputation, or we have a completely biased and possibly misinformed view? Its easy to be too judgmental when you're on the outside looking in.

No one should be out in public with their face covered, unless it is Halloween.

So it's ok to where a mask in public when it jives with your cultural and traditional beliefs, but Muslims do not have that same right?

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Wearing something that has been determined to be illegal to wear is very relevant. No, a husband does not have the right to interfere with the police when his wife is doing something illegal, and the police are taking action. Chances are high that the husband is a partner in the crime.

It is not alright to wear a mask in public, no matter what your culture is. The law is being applied evenly to all groups.

Originally posted by sleepdealer

Originally posted by TheMagus
LOL
i'm having a moment of "Sanity" here, so bear with me

perhaps the french authorities could allow muslim men who insist on having their women wear the veil a choice:
you may do so; however any woman who "chooses" to wear a veil is AUTOMATICALLY under house arrest.
they can choose having to keep their wives locked up at home or in jail; either way muslim men will then have to do all the shopping, taking kids to school, and other housewify things.

problem solved

ahhh "Insanity" returns...

...carry on with the two minutes hate disguised as concern with women's rights

Assuming you're a heterosexual male, what does your partner think about these"housewifey things" you've mentioned? Some fellow males strike me as quite primitive, considering this is 2013. But that also explains why you find it, I'm assuming, natural for women to wear veils while men obviously don't have to. Is that gender inequality disguised as tradition?

methinks it is thou who assumeth here

what you're quoting is a bit of social engineering, a non violent means of dealing with the veil problem

not my view of women


also for the most part, none here seem to get that for these muslims
a cop pulling off [or up] a woman's veil is the equivalent of A STRIP SEARCH
hence, the violent eruption
if a cop just up and hauled up your wife's or daughters skirt "looking for drugs" what would you do?

oh wait...

western sheeple already put up with strip searches, genital/anal fondling, and cavity searches EVEN OF CHILDREN
and just sit there uncomplaining.

hence the demonization of these "uppity" muslims in france as violent people.

those who've resigned themselves to being slaves always hate those who do not accept slave status.

all it takes is putting yourself in the other persons shoes.

but that would require you to turn your back on the "Sane" society and become "Insane".

reply to post by sheepslayer247

ROFL
how ironic, you have hitler in you're avatar

yet i see you wasting your time/breath/fingers
on an obvious fascist and worshiper of THE LAW and THE STATE who has no problems with his biometrics being stored and misused by who knows who or tsa fondling his kids.

such are the ways of the "Sane", especially those Sophisticated Degenerates known as "Civilized People".

remember:

"Sanity" is catching!

reply to post by TheMagus



Are you trying to say Islam honors women, and that people in Islamic nations have more freedom?

Never heard of SA's morality police?

frontpagemag.com...

We’re talking about a religion that treats the male sex drive as a virtually holy phenomenon, and that allows men to have multiple marriages and divorce at will, even as it demands that females deny themselves even the most innocuous sorts of human contact in the name of preserving family honor – and that punishes a single infraction with death.
...
In another 2011 piece, Ejaz cited a Pakistani village court’s recent decision in the case of a young man who’d been “seen with a young girl from a tribe superior to his”: it ordered several of the girl’s male relatives to gang-rape the guilty party’s sister, Mukhataran – who afterwards (as if the gang-bang itself weren’t enough) “was paraded nude” through the village.

A strip search is nothing compared to that action by the local police.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


In answer to your paragraph below
Also, why do people keep saying Islam and it's faithful are violent? If you were in a situation in which your people and cultural traditions were victims of discrimination and violence by the police, wouldn't your community rise up as well?

Surely if you emigrate the whole point is that you are willing to adopt that countries laws culture and way of life? Creating a community within a community creates ghettos and no go areas, those people become isolated and integration is impossible. If you wish to keep your culture and tradition then do it behind closed doors surely? You want your wife and daughters covered head to foot? Then why leave a country which not only allows it but actually demands it? If your culture and religion are so great and so important to you then why leave and go to a country that in your eyes in racist doesn't understand you and is discriminating against you?

What gets people's backs up the most is immigrants downright refusal to integrate and become part of theircommunity instead of constantly being outside it and creating their own. What people dislike is immigrants slagging off the country they have chosen to live in and those people that live there, and what really irritates people is immigrants expecting and in fact demanding to be treated differently or as special cases because of race culture or religion.

Hmm. I'm on the fence on this one.

I don't agree with this government sponsored ban because it encroaches on others rights and tends to get extended on other people further down the line.

A better solution would be to cut down immigration but that is not in their globalist utopia vision that the US and Europe find themselves being forced into by the elite at the top.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by TheMagus

 

Are you trying to say Islam honors women, and that people in Islamic nations have more freedom?

Never heard of SA's morality police?

frontpagemag.com...

We’re talking about a religion that treats the male sex drive as a virtually holy phenomenon, and that allows men to have multiple marriages and divorce at will, even as it demands that females deny themselves even the most innocuous sorts of human contact in the name of preserving family honor – and that punishes a single infraction with death.
...
In another 2011 piece, Ejaz cited a Pakistani village court’s recent decision in the case of a young man who’d been “seen with a young girl from a tribe superior to his”: it ordered several of the girl’s male relatives to gang-rape the guilty party’s sister, Mukhataran – who afterwards (as if the gang-bang itself weren’t enough) “was paraded nude” through the village.

A strip search is nothing compared to that action by the local police.

i have neither said nor implied such

other than in your "imagination"


on the other hand,
your "concern" for the ladies honor does not seem to exist when it is western policeman doing the dishonoring...

nvm ....

reply to post by xavi1000


I'm sorry, but Islam has nothing to do in the Western world. People will jump all over those who say things like I just said, but time and time again have they themselves proven this to be true. France is having huge issues with Islam, and they don't really know what do to do with it. As if they put their foot down too hard, you'll have liberals world wide claiming they're racist pigs. Yet, if they don't do anything at all, their future is screwed beyond imagine. And when they try to implement some simple things, like this, you get angry Muslims attacking and destroying things.

There's no middle ground. And that's the way it is in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Great Britain and many more places. Heck, even in Norway they've had "rape sprees" involving Muslim immigrants. The police in Bergen published their criminal history records for that year that showed that the majority of all extremely violent cases were caused by non-western immigrants (in other words, Muslims) but were FORCED to recall that record.

If more people really knew the depth of Islamic hate and violence towards Europe, I don't think anyone would blink an eye if we put a stop to mass immigration from these countries.

But hey, you'll have these people come in here claiming that "they know better then you" claiming Islam isn't a problem in Europe. Even though many of us have traveled through Europe, Asia and North America and spent sizable amount of time in those countries. (Like myself, I've lived in the United States, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Philippines, China and currently Norway.) I've spent time in Egypt and Palestine, and my opinions of Muslims in their own country is vastly different then those in Western countries as they're happy and have welcomed me with open arms.

I can't say the same for those of them in Europe.

Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by xavi1000

 

If people refuse to obey the law of the land and that law is by popular consent then they whom so refuse are undemocratic in there intent, it is well known that certain groups wish to forcible impose shariah law over the west, we have them in Britain and they certainly have them in france.

We all know that we do not live in a democratic society. If you want to see true democracy look at anarchism. That is an ultra form of democracy. The type of democracy we have today is at best mob rule and that is why we see these types of situations arising.

I think if you go to work/ live in a foreign country you have to abide by that country's rules.

When I worked in Kuwait for 2 years I had to sign a contract saying I wouldn't wear anything tight, nothing above the knee, and had to cover my shoulders. I was also told that if I didn't want to get angry shout outs from locals to do this when walking/ shopping in Kuwait as well, so I did.

I once walked around a shopping mall with a friend of mine who didn't know that in Kuwait the women weren't allowed to dress how they do in western countries, and a Kuwaiti woman, a stranger wearing an abaya called her a very bad name (prostitute) in Arabic. If you want to stay out of trouble, you have to follow the rules and blend into the culture.
I always wore t-shirts with sleeves, and I was fine for the 2 years I worked there. It's a very hot country, especially in summer, I was always sweating. I finished my contract and never went back there. Instead am living in a country now, where I can wear my spaghetti straps and short skirts.

I'm just saying that wherever I work, whichever country I always try to blend in. If France has this rule about not wearing full face cover, and if some people don't like it, then they shouldn't have gone there in the first place.


On a side note, I knew many, I mean many wives, who wore cover in Kuwait, but if they traveled to Europe with their husband, they would wear western clothing, they wouldn't wear the head cover there to avoid any problems.

reply to post by Auricom



Well said.

If wearing a veil that covers your face is really that important to you... There are countries which allow it. Migrate to one of those.

Originally posted by Auricom
reply to post by xavi1000

 

I'm sorry, but Islam has nothing to do in the Western world. People will jump all over those who say things like I just said, but time and time again have they themselves proven this to be true. France is having huge issues with Islam, and they don't really know what do to do with it. As if they put their foot down too hard, you'll have liberals world wide claiming they're racist pigs. Yet, if they don't do anything at all, their future is screwed beyond imagine. And when they try to implement some simple things, like this, you get angry Muslims attacking and destroying things.

There's no middle ground. And that's the way it is in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Great Britain and many more places. Heck, even in Norway they've had "rape sprees" involving Muslim immigrants. The police in Bergen published their criminal history records for that year that showed that the majority of all extremely violent cases were caused by non-western immigrants (in other words, Muslims) but were FORCED to recall that record.

If more people really knew the depth of Islamic hate and violence towards Europe, I don't think anyone would blink an eye if we put a stop to mass immigration from these countries.

But hey, you'll have these people come in here claiming that "they know better then you" claiming Islam isn't a problem in Europe.

Even though many of us have traveled through Europe, Asia and North America and spent sizable amount of time in those countries. (Like myself, I've lived in the United States, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Philippines, China and currently Norway.) I've spent time in Egypt and Palestine, and my opinions of Muslims in their own country is vastly different then those in Western countries as they're happy and have welcomed me with open arms.

I can't say the same for those of them in Europe.

My beliefs tend to swing to the far-left. I'm about as liberal as an American can get.

That said: I do not believe we should respect these insane Islamic laws.

I believe in personal freedom and privacy to a high degree. I believe that many cultural beliefs and rituals should be tolerated. However, when those cultural beliefs and rituals limit the rights of others (women) or put people in danger (officers) they lose their right to be tolerated.

Pretty good explanation about burka

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

No, the husband was not morally justified. He should be sent back to what ever third world country he came from.

Islam has a terrible reputation, and Western nations are just starting to take action to deal with those who hide behind religion to do terrible things to others.

No one should be out in public with their face covered, unless it is Halloween.

Hey - cover your face if you want to, (bold because I want to stress the fact that I did not state "because you were commanded to") provided that it's legal to do so where you live. But when the object hiding your face becomes a security issue, it's time to take it off or spend some time in county.

"How dare you check my wife, what an insult to ISLAM!!!, Now if you will excuse me, she has to get back to liviing under sharia.

Selective outrage #facepalm

Originally posted by Briles1207
"How dare you check my wife, what an insult to ISLAM!!!, Now if you will excuse me, she has to get back to liviing under sharia.

Selective outrage #facepalm

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