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Originally posted by chuck258
If this machine could spin an alternator like device, would that not generate power?
it is gravity/ centrifugal force by the looks of it
I think I can see how this machine works
If you go through the pictures they posted on their website, there was some confusion in their description of the device. Apparently they started out calling it a "generator". But they realized (I guess after someone pointed it out) that there's no generator, (like an alternator), so it's really just a "motor", so they started calling a motor instead. So if it worked they'd have to hook the motor up to a generator to generate electrical power.
Originally posted by chuck258
I'm no physicist, but are you familiar with a vehicles alternator? It produces power from simple motion. Yes, it is driven off of the vehicle which is providing the power, but the same concept applies here. If this machine could spin an alternator like device, would that not generate power? It's the same concept as a hyrdoelectric plant, except that instead of running water powering generators it is gravity/ centrifugal force by the looks of it. I think I can see how this machine works.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
A few weeks back a thread was posted about this gravity engine. I've been keeping my eye on the development of this machine. If you go HERE you can view weekly photos of its progress, its well worth a look.
The reason I'm posting this now is because another one is being built in Gilman - Illinois - USA There's details on the link above.
Do we have any ATS members in that area? You could make a cool thread if you could get some inside info.
The whole world ought to be keeping its eye on this because if it works it'll seriously hurt the energy masters and they're not going to like it one bit!
Source
They claim they did build a small model, when Sterling Allan of PES asked them. But they provided no video or other information about it.
Originally posted by Fromabove
Since universal balance rules out free energy, even in the form of gravity manipulation, they should have built a small model s when they see it fail it wouldn't cost that much.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by VoidHawk
If it isn't an energy storage device, would you then care to explain, in your words, how this is supposed to work?
Originally posted by stumason
I can tell you now though, just by looking at it, that if it is supposed to harness gravity to make all those different parts move, then it will eventually grind to a halt even if it "works" at first. Unless, of course, the designers have also managed to remove ALL friction, which itself is an almost impossible task.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
everyone, including the leading scientists of the time, and even the military!! said "It will never fly".
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by VoidHawk
everyone, including the leading scientists of the time, and even the military!! said "It will never fly".
Do you have a source for that claim?
Not "everyone", but there's some truth to that claim that there was a lot of skepticism that the Wright brothers had actually made a flight and the Wright brothers themselves were partly to blame for the skepticism. They had no desire to prove to the public their plane worked, rather they wanted a contract and also didn't want anyone stealing their idea before they got the patent:
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by VoidHawk
everyone, including the leading scientists of the time, and even the military!! said "It will never fly".
Do you have a source for that claim?
However the doubt was whether the Wright brothers had really flown due to their keeping the details so secret.
A few newspapers published articles about the long flights, but no reporters or photographers had been there. The lack of splashy eyewitness press coverage was a major reason for disbelief in Washington, D.C. and Europe and in journals like Scientific American, whose editors doubted the "alleged experiments" and asked how U.S. newspapers, "alert as they are, allowed these sensational performances to escape their notice."[76]
The Wright brothers were certainly complicit in the lack of attention they received. Fearful of competitors stealing their ideas, and still without a patent, they flew on only one more day after October 5. From then on, they refused to fly anywhere unless they had a firm contract to sell their aircraft. They wrote to the U.S. government, then to Britain, France and Germany with an offer to sell a flying machine, but were rebuffed because they insisted on a signed contract before giving a demonstration. They were unwilling even to show their photographs of the airborne Flyer.
So obviously he believed flight was possible, disproving the claim that everyone thought it was impossible. People like to twist the facts to suit their agenda.
Ernest Archdeacon, founder of the Aéro-Club de France, was publicly scornful of the brother's claims in spite of published reports; specifically, he wrote several articles and in 1906, stated that "the French would make the first public demonstration of powered flight".
Can't/won't take your word that it won't work either.
They are building the engines, they have national and international news coverage
A generator powered by gravity may sound like an impossible device akin to a perpetual motion machine, but the Brazilian soybean processor Incobrasa says it has such a technology. And it plans to install a demonstrator model at its processing plant in the Iroquois County town of Gilman this coming fall. Incobrasa ran newspaper ads about a month ago in both central Illinois and Porto Alegre, Brazil, where it says an affiliated company developed the generator. University of Illinois Electrical Engineering Professor Peter Sauer says he's skeptical - See more at: wglt.org...
Number 1: Scale models are not sufficient.
Really.
That's going to disappoint just about every engineering organisation in existence then.
Want to reconsider that statement?
I might remind you, that the force of gravity is measured as 1G...this force of 1G acts on everything...from a grain of sand to a skyscraper...1G would be the same acting on a scale model the size of a fridge as it would be on a real world, room sized engine.
you can pay full whack to the rip off energy corps for the rest of your days if that's what floats your boat...
Which makes it strange that on threads such as this, it always appears to be you and a few other members that seem to be on these threads like flies around the proverbial turd every time one pops up, although you and they don't seem to realise that your posts and posts like yours, are essentially carrots to those who are experimenting in this field of research..it's reverse psychology.
The more people like you try to steer people away from this research, the more they will try to prove you wrong..maybe not by the first or even the 1000th design or combination, but one day they will.
Originally posted by chuck258
reply to post by boncho
I'm no physicist, but are you familiar with a vehicles alternator? It produces power from simple motion. Yes, it is driven off of the vehicle which is providing the power, but the same concept applies here. If this machine could spin an alternator like device, would that not generate power? It's the same concept as a hyrdoelectric plant, except that instead of running water powering generators it is gravity/ centrifugal force by the looks of it. I think I can see how this machine works.
edit on 21-7-2013 by chuck258 because: /centrifugal force.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
If you had bothered to read the thread you'd know I don't know how it works. I tried to find information but there's very little being released. What I did manage to find out is the following.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
1. It uses gravity as its source of power.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
2. When it's finished they will attach a generator to it and they expect it will produce 30kw.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
You'll note that it is very well made so it's clear they are trying to remove as much friction as possible. There's also the drag caused by the atmosphere to consider too.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
However! By looking at the pictures it appears that it shifts weight about, and I get the impression it swings those weights in an arc while also moving there pivot point horizontally. Maybe the designer has discovered something that the rest of the world has missed? or been denied the knowledge off?
Originally posted by VoidHawk
When the wright brothers were creating their first airplane, everyone, including the leading scientists of the time, and even the military!! said "It will never fly".
They did didn't they!!!
Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
very interesting. if i am not mistaken, something similar was built in Europe in the 30,s but was ridiculed and eventually forgotten