best money can buy: 637 € complete system build

Hey dude.

Make sure to get a mobo thats 8+2 if you plan on doing OC.

www.newegg.com...

You'll have to find a seller you can buy from, but, it goes on sale here and there.

Single card, 500 - 550 watt PSU, 650 for 2 or more. Make sure your PSU is 80 rated. Don't skimp on PSU. Look at something like 1 dollar every 10 watts.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
BIGGER power supply! 550 is NOT enough.

BIGGER Hard drive! I've got 2 terrabytes and I'm running short on space already!

I'll go look at the graphics card you suggest now

but I've always prefered nvidia.

Back soon.

550 watts is more than enough for the system he's making. It is true, that for future proofing, he'd want more (650ish).

If you've used up almost 2 TB of storage you're most likely doing some torrenting, not hating, I do it myself, but, 1 TB would be more than enough for most. I do suggest waiting on SSD, and spending less on a HDD. Upgrade to SSD later, more to spend on parts that matter the most.

For the price range, he won't beat a HD 7850. This is the best card in the 150 - 200 dollar range. Next up, GTX 660. Don't get a 650 ti or some crap. It doesn't compete with the HD 7850.

Why not ask this on a computer forum? Tom's hardware is a good one, so is overclockers. If you want to get laid, you go to a whore house, not a church.

*I'm American, so, I'm thinking Dollars. Still, the price differences should hold true.

reply to post by Chargeit


Not torrenting, family photo's and vids Keeping vids in high quality eats drive space!
And most games now days are using about 10 gigs

I maintain four PC's for a bunch of gamers and they were going through power supplies at the rate of about one each per year, and they were 750's. Now they've all gone SLI and had to splash out on Coursair's HX1050. Very expensive but well worth it. HX1050

The 550 would be ok for those who only use the box occasionally but for anyone who's using it for long periods of time I'd recommend a 750. Manufacturers tell so many lies about the power abilities of their supplies. Many 750 units I've seen are simply 550's with bigger heatsinks. Many 550's are realy 450's with bigger heatsinks.

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hehe the psus die coz they are 750, this quality is bad. the psu i selected is absolute high quality for low price.

reply to post by VoidHawk


Lol, must of been a lot of 35 dollar 750 watt PSU. If he gets a quality 80 rated PSU 500 - 550 he'll be fine. 650 + if he wants SLI or crossfire.

It's not a bad thing to have more (within reason) PSU than you need, but, if you've got to much you're just wasting electricity and producing excessive heat. Extra heat will add wear to the PSU.

1 for a gpu SAPPHIRE 100354XTL Radeon HD 7870 XT the absolute best bang for ur buck atm its got more stream prosessors than a normal 7870 but priced the same

next id never skimp on a psu ever exp with compasitor ageing most warenties do not cover it always want 200w headroom and almost always check hardocp they give a true test to all psus and the power rating is also a joke idk if im alowed to link all the info to really point in the right dirction

general rule if u didnt spend 100 usd on ur psu its not good and its truly not worth it the effct of buying a subpar psu can be far worse than just a bsod i learned that the hard way on my first build

as for the storage i would persinaly cut the ssd down to 100 gigs ... more than needed for ur o/s and programs and a nice sized hdd for ur data

my first post btw ... only thing i really know anything about lol been building overclocking for over 10 years my system is under full water cooling overclocked to the max btw i only run 8 gigs of ram i have never maxed it out
my antech 650 on the otherhand is compltaly toped out its only 3 years old within warentie compasitor aging is not covered i only run my ssd hdd grafix and beard on it it barly can push 450w after 3 years of 24/7 use

that grafix card i linked can also mine bitcoins at about 400 mhz pay the dirance in price in a fyew months

Originally posted by Chargeit
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

It's not a bad thing to have more (within reason) PSU than you need, but, if you've got to much you're just wasting electricity and producing excessive heat. Extra heat will add wear to the PSU.

edit on 18-7-2013 by Chargeit because: (no reason given)

Extra heat will add wear to the PSU

I agree, thats partly why I suggested OP go for 750. The 550 that OP describes will have to work work harder than a 750 and create more heat.
Heat is a product of voltage * amps. The more power taken leads to more heat. A (genuine) 750 will dissipate that heat more easily.

If you check out the the link I provided above....THIS LINK you'll see it's about the most efficient supply you can get, but way above OP's needs.

Originally posted by april1
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

hehe the psus die coz they are 750, this quality is bad. the psu i selected is absolute high quality for low price.

Not bad quality, just not man enough for the job. To be honest I wouldnt put a 550 into any box that has multicore cpu and a high spec graphics card. Multicore cpu's and graphics cards cause large spikey draws on the supply, and its often the cause of the BSD, thats why you realy need a 750.

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eh, you buy a 600w psu and ur pc uses 450w of that. seems legit. that why i go for the thermaltake, which should be this here: www.thermaltake.com...

guys, thanks for your advice but im not grilling a psu per year like you. so i stick with the 530w psu i linked.

additionally, the 530w psu from thermaltake needs like 900w to shut down from power drain. under full workload it will merely take like 490w of total power to run the pc.

I just bought the same MB Asrock 990 but with a fx4350 since it's more powerful in single, dual and quad core mode than the fx6350.

Anyway, it's not like 6 core programming will happen any time soon, they can't even get dual cores right most of the time.

Also bought a samsung 840 PRO ssd for my system, 8 gb ram 1600 mHz and kept my faithful GTX 460 and CM 700 watts for now.
It's really awesome, every game at max settings + AA 2x or 4x with 60 FPS.

Quite cheap too. ^^

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by Antipathy17
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

Personally I'd drop the ram down to 8 gb if it saves a few bucks and get a better case. Something with better airflow.

Single worst PC advice ever.

How about cutting down the SSD as well, maybe get a nice cheep 5400 rpm old hd cause who needs performance right?

Your reply seems assholish. 8gm of ram is more than sufficient for running multiple programs including games at the same time. Better timed ram at 8gb for MOST people will be far more efficient than an extra 8 gb of ram that wont even be allocated half the time.

reply to post by april1


550w power is fine for what you are building.

Ive got:
i7 ,
32Gb ram ,
750Gb hybrid ssd hard drive,
2 x 1tb drives runing at raid1
radeon HD 7970
500w power

I havent had any power issues.

I highly recomend the hybrid SSD drives, its a much smarter choice if you are on a budget

I dont think newegg ships to Europe.

reply to post by PhoenixOD


ur i7 + the 7970 uses your entire 500w if u load them together u will bsod try it use something like afterburner and prime 95 see how stable u system really is

if u really wana push it hard occt and prime occt will tell u your 12v rail drop or any other volt monitoring program will do anything below 11.70 i would consider the psu needs a upgrade

reply to post by markovian


I dont over clock anything on my system. Overclocking is a fast way to destroy harware. Im sure pushing the system past its recomended limits would cause a blue screen..would anyone be surprised at this?

well i can put 1 # setting to your bios to make your computer go bsod 24/7. usually a bsod is a sign of physical hardware failure or wrong bios configuration etc.. so please stop messing around here with blaming all on the psu, coz it only shows you have like total zero clue of the topic.

if you use a psu calculator on google it will roughly give you 380w for the system i provided.

so please stop crying around now. thx.

reply to post by PhoenixOD


I think the key to overclocking, and not destroying your #, is to not push it to the max, proper cooling, and a proper motherboard in place. I don't think there's anything wrong with modest overclock.

Also, most who overclock hardcore switch parts enough that it doesn't matter.

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I don't think the OP mentioned using 2 video cards btw. I noticed a few people making that assumption. I did mention if he planed on it, to go with a bigger PSU, he didn't say he was. His chosen PSU should be more than enough. I'd suggest you ask someone who does computers for a living what they think, I'll bet you they don't suggest tossing a PSU in your system that puts out 250 more watts than you need, unless you have plans of taking up that wattage quickly.

much appreciated. thanks for your comments so far. usually you can always overclock a new system for about 5 or 10%. but you must really know what youre doing and what to tweak. generally increasing base voltages very low and putting manual settings in will you give you stability and overclock headroom.

also most hardware today is designed to be overclocked and developers provide users with automatic tuning features that dont void warranty.

I think ur makeing ur power needs based on 530 on 12v but that psu is 12v @ 38a that would put u at 456w 12v
Its still with in range but compasitor ageing is going to be a problem faster
The general ruel is ea year add 10-20% for 24/7 runtime 30% do the calculator with that puntched in and ull see in 2 years u wont have the power u need

Wish there was actualy more info on that psu thermaltake is a good brand

Idk where overclocking came in occt is a grafix card stress test program for stability

And most companys dont even void ur warentie from it saphire even makes the tools to do it

As for killing hardware never seen that without going for records but there is a degrade of the chips potental
Iv ran my system overclocked to the absolute breaking point for 3 years now ... I also have over 2 grand in my watter cooling loop i never advise overclocking unless u know what ur doing and what the risk really is

I am not so fond of Asrock anymore. Any Ocing you probably will be disappointed. If you are on a low budget then not much you can do. A Gigabyte board would be lots better. I agree that a 750 gold PSU or better is needed. Pay attention to the amps on each rails. There is a difference between low cost PSU with 15 amps on each rail and a gold rated PSU with 40amps on each. Also, pay attention to what the video card requires and amps on the 6 pin. You never want to starve the video card. When it comes to the mobo or the PSU you don't want to cheap out if you can help it. As far as the ATI cards you want to stay away from ones that end in **50 get a **70 if you can for a few extra bucks more for a stronger card. Also, ram isn't always everything on a Video card, you really have to pay attention to those as well.

IE: It wouldn't be good to buy a 128bit card with 2G's of ram, when you can get a 256bit or even a 384bit 1G card for probably the same price. Typically higher amounts of ram tend to have more relaxed timings instead of less ram with more aggressive timings. There is a bit of a trade off.

If you are Ocing that board like I said probably won't be so good. The CPU is fine and is unlocked FX versions so that is a plus. However the ram will probably be a issue at 16gigs. Like others have said that's probably overkill and dropping it to 8G's will save money that can be spent elsewhere.

Good Luck and enjoy your build.

reply to post by sean


another dude with 0 clue giving bad advices. everyone whos reading the thread and wants a solid pc, stick to my build, listen to my advices and not theirs. some guys in here have 0 clue and are trying to talk big. none of them has ever conducted a read on the motherboard, gfx or the psu products i provided for review obviously.