Snowden is the poster child for an UnEthical Generation

Snowden is the poster child for an UnEthical Generation


Working as a security consultant, the man Snowden has nine out of ten things.

1) Courage: Everything is on a continuum and has an opposite. He had the insight to know that what he was seeing had been going on for a long while, and would continue going on until it's opposite emerged.

2) Frugal: Each person will receive a series of problems for the purpose of strengthening the Light within. He didn't use or take excessive resources, removed no manuals, printouts, hard drives, or any of the physical effects that Authority usually confiscates when they raid, but instead he used what he had right then and there; a zipdrive and nothing more, leaving the original files intact and unaltered.

3) Optimism: All persons have within them the power to change the conditions in their lives. If he believed that our Intelligence agencies were acting as bad hosts, and betraying the hospitality of humanity then he also believed that humanity would want to know, and would eventually be better off knowing.

4) Conscience: We create the things, events, and people that come into our lives. He could have stayed divided within himself, serving deception while feeling conflicted, but he had a large enough focus not to be motivated by sheer greed, or even to act out of anger or wrath.

5) Empathy: The visible effects of our deeds are given to us in gifts, money, inheritances, friendships, and blessings. He knew that members of Congress were being given half truths, that he was part of that process, and that by acting to compensate for this; the materialistic side of life would draw back from him, that... in his own words his "life is over."

6) Technical expertise: Nothing happens by chance or outside the Universe. He saw that if he continued to grow on the path he was on, he would become part of the problem and the only person to blame would be himself.

7) Personable: As above, so below. To find the negative, to see an enemy, and not take the higher path of non-confrontation would mean that even if he refused to accept it, it would continue.

8) Not a Troll: We must engage in actions that support our thoughts, dreams, emotions and words. We who actually participate in this life, for us, things don't just happen they give us clues to our inner life and help us choose what we want to surround ourselves with.

9) Able to see meta poverty: The Universe moves, vibrates, and travels in circular patterns. Persons or groups who see themselves as above it all or immune to what happens to the little-people are deceiving themselves and destined to fail, particularly when they have no sense of obligation to those very same little-people.


Snowden got nine out of ten right.
He's a credit to his generation.
Nay, he's an example to
his generation.

Except
on little thing.
He may have gotten
nine tenths right, but he
violated the tenth point completely.






10) [color=gold] Trust: We live in a world where everything is connected to everything else. Everything we do, say, think and believe affects others and the universe around us. "As you sow, so shall you reap". This is also known as the "Law of Cause and Effect". Whatever we put out in the Universe is what comes back to us. If we want to be able to trust then we should be worthy of trust ourselves.


Snowden reminds me of that old saying that "Possession is only 9/10ths of the law" he had possession, but he had no sense of propriety. None. I guess to this generation, possession is now 10/10ths of the law, and the idea of trust is extinct.

I have to say thank you to him though. Until he did this I had no idea that the younger generations were so devoid of trust themselves, but now I can see it reflected in the universe around me. There is almost no trust by youth in the older generation. Ya'll truly believe we spent these last two generations building an interconnected existence for no good reason.


Edward Snowden, is the poster child of this generation.

/more aware
Mike

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What you will see in the end, is an expansion of government control over the internet and telecommunications systems, and a restrictions on your rights and free speech.

all thanks to snowden, so even though he brought out the same information we've known for sometime, and woke a lot of people up, it will play right into their plans anyways.

Where did you come up with those 10 things from?
In any event, you can't expect people to be perfect.
I think Snowden did what he felt was the right thing to do, so for that, I must disagree that he is the poster child for an unethical generation.

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You should consider abandoning absolutism. Nothing in the world of humans is absolute or binary. 1 out of 10 things is wrong, so off with his head? c'mon man.

First, realize that I don't know Edward Snowden and neither do you. If we only consider the reaction and not the action, the world is clearly more aware of how out of control the US is --particularly our allies and corporations based outside the US. IMO, That's a game changer. I sincerely hope the next generation follows in Ed Snowden's footsteps regardless of his original agenda. We need 1000 more whistle blowers to drain this cesspool.

Originally posted by xEphon
Where did you come up with those 10 things from?
In any event, you can't expect people to be perfect.
I think Snowden did what he felt was the right thing to do, so for that, I must disagree that he is the poster child for an unethical generation.

So it is NOT your mission in life to punish us for trusting future generations? There isn't overwhelming evidence that the godlike interconnectedness in an irresponsible way; by trolling, spamming, photoshopping pr0n, making anon videos, and 4chan-ing any decent conversations into the mudkips. And generally not trusting the experience or opinions of older people.

I thought ya'll didn't believe in corporal punishment.


Mike

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How dare you superimpose your new age philosophy atop another. Best you come up with something original rather than a cut+paste overlay.

As for trust.........that's where Snowden really shines - trust in himself which leads to faith in the generation that follows. He told the world that the US government cannot be trusted. Trust in yourselves and in your ability to make right decisions that will lead us back to honoring the Constitution - Declaration - and the Bill of Rights. Thank God for heroic figures like Edward Snowden.

Guess who's picture is soon to appear on Rolling Stone's cover - ha ha ha

Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

You should consider abandoning absolutism. Nothing in the world of humans is absolute or binary. 1 out of 10 things is wrong, so off with his head? c'mon man.

First, realize that I don't know Edward Snowden and neither do you. If we only consider the reaction and not the action, the [color=gold] world is clearly more aware of how out of control the US is --particularly our allies and corporations based outside the US. IMO, That's a game changer. I sincerely hope the next generation follows in Ed Snowden's footsteps regardless of his original agenda. We need 1000 more whistle blowers to drain this cesspool.

If one sees an out of control US,
then one is condemning the very people of the US.
All of us.

Where is the trust?


Besides: 1 out of ten, is far far away from being binary. Reread your first sentence.


Mike

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by xEphon
Where did you come up with those 10 things from?
In any event, you can't expect people to be perfect.
I think Snowden did what he felt was the right thing to do, so for that, I must disagree that he is the poster child for an unethical generation.

So it is NOT your mission in life to punish us for trusting future generations? There isn't overwhelming evidence that the godlike interconnectedness in an irresponsible way; by trolling, spamming, photoshopping pr0n, making anon videos, and 4chan-ing any decent conversations into the mudkips. And generally not trusting the experience or opinions of older people.

I thought ya'll didn't believe in corporal punishment.

Mike

I'm sorry but what are you talking about?

Originally posted by Lysistrata

Guess who's picture is soon to appear on Rolling Stone's cover - ha ha ha

I did say that he was
"the poster child of this generation"
somewhere in my post didn't I?

Oh, that's right,
it's the title of the thread.


Mike

The world knew that this US was spying on people but not to this extent. What Edward Snowden did was to remove that question mark.

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Originally posted by mikegrouchy
I had no idea that the younger generations were so devoid of trust themselves, but now I can see it reflected in the universe around me. There is almost no trust by youth in the older generation. Ya'll truly believe we spent these last two generations building an interconnected existence for no good reason.


Edward Snowden, is the poster child of this generation.

We must live in completely different universes then.

In my view, there is nothing exceptional about Snowden or this generation that significantly differs from the past in terms of 'trust'.

If you reflected upon history for just a moment, I'm sure you could find plenty of examples that would make your current theory completely meaningless.

Honestly, what is the point of this thread? ...to indict Snowden? ...his generation? ....the sanctity of contract?

I've re-read your post a couple of times and just don't get it.

Originally posted by loam
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy
I had no idea that the younger generations were so devoid of trust themselves, but now I can see it reflected in the universe around me. There is almost no trust by youth in the older generation. Ya'll truly believe we spent these last two generations building an interconnected existence for no good reason.


Edward Snowden, is the poster child of this generation.

We must live in completely different universes then.

In my view, there is nothing exceptional about Snowden or this generation that significantly differs from the past in terms of 'trust'.

If you reflected upon history for just a moment, I'm sure you could find [color=gold] plenty of examples that would make your current theory completely meaningless.

Honestly, what is the point of this thread? ...to indict Snowden? ...his generation? ....the sanctity of contract?

I've [color=gold] re-read your post a couple of times and just don't get it.

How can one find plenty-of-examples,
while at the same instant they just-don't-get-it?

Can I trust that you are being really honest here?


Mike

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Does this thread not belong rather under Philosophy & Metaphysics instead of General Conspiracies? Yeah, yeah, I know it's all interconnected and we are co-creators... just saying

Originally posted by MindBodySpiritComplex
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Does this thread not belong rather under Philosophy & Metaphysics instead of General Conspiracies? Yeah, yeah, I know it's all interconnected and we are co-creators... just saying

Thank you for reclassifying my discussion of the one proven and admitted conspiracy by the US government [even Mc Cain admitted it was true] into a philosophy category.

I see that I can trust in the use of reclassification
as a tool to marginalize and ignore.


Mike

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I personally am starting to believe that Snowden was simply a scate goat for a planned release of this information.

10) Trust: We live in a world where everything is connected to everything else. Everything we do, say, think and believe affects others and the universe around us. "As you sow, so shall you reap". This is also known as the "Law of Cause and Effect". Whatever we put out in the Universe is what comes back to us. If we want to be able to trust then we should be worthy of trust ourselves.

I beg to differ. IMO Snowden, if his story is all true he placed the trust in the people of the world. The average person. He showed the greatest faith in his trust for the average person to make a decision for the best.

He was wrong of course, as the propaganda machine is really good at convincing people that crimes against them are actually just presents.

But trustworthy?

Yup, the man sure is. I'd rather trust the man who told me about the sheriff's crimes than the man who said nothing.

~Tenth

Mike,

People aren't trying to marginalize and destroy you. They are just disagreeing with you.

You say Snowden betrayed trust? The trust of a corrupt government, maybe, but he was protecting the trust of the people and of the Constitution he swore to uphold. That's my opinion.

If anyone it would be Honey Boo Boo being a poster child for being unethical.

Had a local Sheriff brought down because a video came out where he was crushing and snorting pills. How's THAT for unethical?

Matter of fact, I could walk over quite a few unethical people before I stood over Snowden.

Nice try though...

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

But trustworthy?

Yup, the man sure is. I'd rather trust the man who told me about the sheriff's crimes than the man who said nothing.

~Tenth

That is why I award him 9 out of 10.

But there is no getting around the 10th point.

What about the confidentiality agreements he signed.

In my points
I specifically credit him with seeing the larger picture,
being optimistic, and taking realistic steps, but
he did betray the trust that was placed
in him. And in a big way.


Mike

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What about the confidentiality agreements he signed.

Let's make a hypothetical shall we?

What if you starting working for the government. The first thing they make you do is sign a non-disclosure. This happens usually before you know anything about what you'll be doing now, or in the future.

Say over the course of that time, you are part of a group that commits crimes. Let's say the murder of children or the death of civlians. Bribes, spying etc..

Would you still feel an obligation to remain silent, under a non-disclosure that they had you sign, knowing that you would probably end up committing crimes?

His breach of trust to the government, was because they were doing things they weren't suppose to be doing. Things that are immoral and illegal.

You would defend them, over the person who brought it to light?

~Tenth

Originally posted by Metallicus
Mike,

People aren't trying to marginalize and destroy you. They are just disagreeing with you.

You say [color=gold] Snowden betrayed trust? The trust of a corrupt government, maybe, but he was protecting the trust of the people and of the Constitution he swore to uphold. That's my opinion.

So all I have to do
is consider someone "corrupt" and
that gives me license to betray any trust?


Mike