Maximum Hate - Minimum Reason

Do not deny your destiny ,,,let the hate flow through you

reply to post by Hefficide


What happen to the saying, "We are all people, and we are all one."?

I do not hate them, they are me, and I am them. They are a reflection of you, and you are a reflection of them. So don't hate them. Treat them as yourself.

People will never get past the color of each others skin on a whole because it is genetic to distrust something that doesn't look like you racially.

Originally posted by Curious69
The followers of the religion of peace islam"IRONY" are demanding more and more of their culture to replace mine. Helped by socialist politicians who are afraid of being called racist.

You could call the politicians misguided, but they're definitely not socialists.

We demand that religion be held a private affair so far as the state is concerned.
Vladimir Lenin

Fear is the absence of love.

Anger is fear turned outward.

Thus anger is the absence of love turned upon another.

We attack when we are fearful because our sense of self is threatened and those with the weakest sense of self are the most hateful and prone to attack with the slightest provocation.

It is obvious that our modern (western) society does everything possible to make people feel as worthless in themselves as can be managed. Self worth is measured by external trinkets rather than internal positions and values. A recognition of the intrinsic worth of each individual regardless of background.

reply to post by Hefficide


I feel that much of this hate is bred repeatedly due to the fact that we all live in a society of repetition. For years these teachings have slipped by the eye of the modest man. With that these beliefs are able to set its own ground and lurk like a cancer among neighbors.

We can not control all of the segregation within our population. It is something that most people are raised with. We can only understand it and counter the strikes put forth.

I would like to point out, due to current events, the Martin and Zimmerman case. Automatically, people rushed the racism card. That, to me, was the first stone cast by our own egos and self-proclaimed beliefs.

One day we will understand the we all have the common interest. Happiness and prosperity. The only problem we have is when these separate worlds collide. The outcome can be devastating.

reply to post by Hefficide


Race is a touchy issue I will give an example is it racist to say that I think the illegal Mexican's should be arrested and deported? What if I was to say the black culture needs to follow good moral leaders again.



The real issue is not racism but the politically correct beast that has formed from it.

Originally posted by mideast

We can do all of this and so much more that is beyond amazing and yet we still cannot get past looking at others and making judgements based upon something as meaningless as the color of their skin?

Because religion is washed away from your hearts. You just care living in this world.and you have blood of other nations on your hands.

So , no matter how much progress you make , you are falling in that direction.

It is simple.

you are falling because the more you discover , instead of understanding that this universe has being kept in order by the creator , you get into the illusion that you can control this universe and be god yourselves.

I believe that the people who crucified Jesus were less arrogant and ignorant.

But I doubt people in west believe in him anymore. And if they believe in him is because of a tool that will wash all the sins and blood off their hands.

pease

Thanks....

I mean, what would we do without a good dose of self-righteousness from the religious community in these threads?

Yeah, us in "the West." What a bunch of heathens we are. Perhaps your All Holiness would like to travel here so you may impart your Godly wisdom upon us wretched Americans.

Might I suggest that you peruse your beloved scriptures and learn about the pitfalls of this thing called an "ego" that sometimes causes us humans to stay stupid crap.

reply to post by Hefficide


I read the first line of this thread on the homepage and had a sneaky feeling it was you Hefficide!!

Once again another well thought out and beautifully written thread.

Just Brilliant.

Malcolm X's letter from Mecca

Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors. I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca. I have made my seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat. There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered 'white'--but the 'white' attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color. You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth. During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)--while praying to the same God--with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers)--because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude. I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man--and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their 'differences' in color. With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called 'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster--the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves. Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities--he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth--the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to. Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a 'white' man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. ... Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors--honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King--not a Negro. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds. Sincerely, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X

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Nice OP Heff, as usual, you really got me thinking this morning. I Have not read the thread, just the OP and wanted to comment before my thoughts were tainted ...

We all "profile", skin color is but one small tangent of this issue, to pretend otherwise is just absurd. In fact, we are taught this from the moment we become aware of the world. Liberal, conservative. Rich, poor. Blue collar, white collar. Christian, Muslim. Country Music, rock music, Rap music. American, Russian, Chinese. The list goes on and on. We all have this need, a sense of belonging to a group and to feel the pride of belonging, that WE are right and/or the other group is wrong.

This is the flaw in all of us ...

As you pointed out, Genetically speaking, race doesn't exist. We are all part of one race, the human race. Yet, by birth we feel divided and then by choice or from circumstances beyond our control we are further divided into even smaller groups. The old adage "United we stand, divided we fall" is more true than ever right now. Not that we all can't get along, many people of differing cultures, religions and skin color do but pardon me for using another adage here "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" and that of course becomes news and then the hot topic of the year and then subconsciously, by suggestion and/or influence we are further divided.

This all turns into cultural issues passed on down to the next generation, no "group" is immune to and some would have us believe it is getting worse, maybe it is. Some say it has always been this way and that we are just more informed or maybe we are being influenced by the news, internet, movies, music, tv shows and other mediums used to convey information that continues to divide us.

Humans as a whole are easily lead and controlled, even more so when divided by using our fears and emotions against us. A large portion of the history of the world and of this country (USA) is purposely withheld from us, even issues of today ... Who is that decides what is and what isn't important information and why?

Those who seek the truth by digging for their own answers cannot overcome being overshadowed by those who, for all intents and purposes, seems to be controlled by the mainstream information i.e "News" being put out. That apparently looks to be succeeding at, year in and year out, keeping everyone divided.

Divided and bickering among ourselves makes us as a whole weak, we can't even get it together as a country. We are spoon fed what to believe, what to think, what to buy, how to live, who to hate. The information they are giving us isn't helping us to obtain anything good, much less solidarity.

All I know is if everyone got their **** together and found a common goal and rose above the pettiness we fight over today, we as a race would prosper and would most likely be capable of overcoming any obstacle.

It would appear "someone" does not want that though ...

We, the Human Race are all here on this rock with a finite amount of time before it all ends. Regardless of your beliefs on "the end", the fact is that literally everything we've ever encountered throughout the entire history of our world will cease to exist. If the Earth somehow survives the Sun running out of fuel and turning Red Giant, which most say it will not, when it explodes there will certainly not even be a shred of evidence of our existence.

This being the philosophical and existential challenge that it is, it makes all of our differences seem rather petty. Almost like we are being tested if we can overcome our differences and even make it that far or are we going to self implode as a society and not even reach the greatest challenge the human race will ever face?

In the grand scheme of things we are still neanderthals ...

I don't mean to go all Battlestar Galactica on anyone who has managed to read this far but honestly that is what I think about. About how OUR race will come together and overcome these challenges now and in the future or are we all doomed to not even be a blip on the universal radar, not even managing to become a foot note in the history of history.

The way things are going I believe the jury is still out ...

People are on a wrong track trying to explain the human spirit by DNA. Just by considering differences in DNA and linking it to skin color is a bad idea and gives a wrong message. I liked the part in the OP about how humanity walked to different areas and different skin colors also developed. But nothing else, maybe a little because of different food or more muscles because of height differences in terrain or slightly better lungs but that is all, some peoples' ancestors just happened to have more sun so there are some slight DNA differences you might expect, but nothing else. Physical bodies should be viewed as machines, equal for the most part but the software is different and some have better and some have worse independent of skin color. Explaining humanity by DNA is not science and shouldn't be taught at schools. It's ideology and what one believes in what can be different and cause for conflict when one wants to dominate the other and demands to change the value of a view, idea or truth.

Not saying the US or any other country is like WW2 Germany but, the nazi's used that way of thinking of explaining by DNA, psychiatry is from the same area and time period and I think they are somehow related, people really need to understand the dangers of certain knowledge and how to deal or present it to the public. Someone says something about another subject for example homosexuality is because of DNA and entire groups of people stand up because they feel they have a right, as if something were true for anyone and we must all live in truth with ourselves, it's science man!

I think racism is heavily blown out of proportion. People only pull the race card when it benefits them, or to further an agenda. I mean, the "N" word is just that, a word. I live in the deep south and I know quite a few black folks. Hell, some of them I call close friends. They all laugh at the entire notion.

The only thing racist these days, is the media. They are the ones that keep pushing it on us all like its a real tangible thing, when in fact, its not the entire reality of the situation.

reply to post by totallackey

For example, is stating the words, "punk thug, hoodie wearin, gangster wannabe," a racist statement or description?

There are many white, asian and hispanic youths who also join the "thug" lifestyle. A thug is a thug. Color doesn't play into it.

If I see a group of teens with hoodies, baggy pants, underwear showing, tattoos, etc., I'm going to be on my guard regardless of what color they are.

Many people don't judge by the color of skin, but by the actions of that person. Maybe the civil rights racists, liberal media, and other people are getting that confused. I could post crime statistics, but I won't. Let's not look the other way and act like nothing's going on. That has gotten us nowhere.

Being racially aware is not being racist.

Racism is defined as feeling/thinking that one's own race is superior to others. It seems to me that on this question there is the old "nature v. nurture" issue. Is racism programmed into our genes? Will it manifest without some measure of conditioned behavior? Must it be encouraged as a young person is growing up in order for it to manifest when reaching adulthood?

I would like to say that I feel that racial intolerance has to do with whether an individual has evolved spiritually. It has nothing to do with intelligence (smart people are also bigots) or skin color or political affiliation.

Spiritual growth dictates deeper understanding or existence...not only your own, but ours as a species.

Those that define their existence through national or religious affiliation...are IMO more likely to be racist. What I mean by that...is...if you thump your chest...yelling God bless America, or Jesus, or Allah...are missing the point of being...human.

Sadly...I feel...few people care about spiritual growth. And no...being deeply religious does not mean spiritual growth...in fact...it's often the opposite.

I myself...perhaps am a bit of racist. I feel uneasy about certain "types" of people. But those are my thoughts...and my feelings based on experience lived. However...I wouldn't dream of actually exercising racism...because deep down inside...I know...we are all the same. Made of stars. It is only our culture and our social environment that makes us think...that "they" are lesser somehow. It is a fabricated tale...and to me...with an obvious agenda.

Sometimes I feel...that somebody out there...wants us not to unite. Not to break free from this illusion of division. Yet I am unable to point a finger at anybody specific. It's all fringe...and a conspiracy...


Anyway...heff...a needed thread. Hang in there.

Speaking of fear...
I want to add something that happened to me a few days ago....It brought out the FEAR in ME!

I was not paying attention to my surroundings while out and about the other day. I was coming home and realized I needed to stop for gas since I was on fumes. I pulled up into the gas station and noticed 3 white landscaping vans with about 20 more more black men hanging out in the front of the store. There were more inside the store....They were blocking the entrance and acting intimidating but I ignored it.

I pulled up to the only open island on the furthest side of the station. I got out of my car and walked to the pump. I was immediately startled by a couple guys dressed like total thugs...baggy pants, tattoos, etc...walking towards me with that I'm a gangbanger attitude. My first thought was OMG I am a dumby because I had totally forgotten about the reports of people getting hurt and beat up in retaliation over the Zimmerman Trial.

The guys immediately began to harass me...asking me about my hair and wanting to come over and get a better look at it etc...one of the men was reaching into his belt area under his shirt. This intimidation was done on purpose!! I told them to back the you know what away! I jumped in my car as fast as I could but they were STILL coming. My first thought was I wished I had my gun.....I drove off....watching them in the mirror they were still walking in my direction...I had to circle around to go back because this was the only gas station for miles and like I said I was on fumes....I waited till they left to get my gas.

I was shaking out of fear. WHY? Because these guys fed into the stereotype and caused a fear in me that I had never before in my life experienced.

Seriously, someone could have been shot! More people will be shot if this stuff keeps up!! Why perpetuate a stereotype??

As I drove home I noticed on the side of the road on the on ramp a sign: CONCEAL AND CARRY CLASS with a phone number....

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by totallackey

 

If I see a group of teens with hoodies, baggy pants, underwear showing, tattoos, etc., I'm going to be on my guard regardless of what color they are.

edit on 19-7-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

9 times out of 10, what you describe there is just for show. I grew up around that kind of lifestyle and kids like that rarely never mean any harm. Its just that culture has grown over the years.

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Holy crap,Starwise!!!!

Good thing you got out of there unscathed.