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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
No, I do not agree that Holder or Obama's opinions hold any more weight than anyone else's. Their opinions on this case did NOTHING to convince the jury to see things their way. Do they change your opinion? No.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why is this different? Why do you think the President and Holder should keep their thoughts to themselves on this ONE ISSUE?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The President's opinion didn't make this a race issue.
Yes, Obama's hypothetical son and Trayvon would have shared the same brown skin color. Would that have made them interchangeable? Not unless all brown-skinned boys are the same. Does the president really believe that?
The other, more troubling possibility is that the president surrendered to his political instincts. He wants disadvantaged Americans to believe that he and his family are one of them -- despite their life of unparalleled privilege -- and he wanted the prosecutors, judge and jury to believe that this was a case about race where justice demanded a guilty verdict.
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by FlyersFan
"I want to assure you that the Department will continue to act in a manner that is consistent with the facts and the law," Holder said.
Makes me sick. The "Law". Like Fast and Furious facts and the Law?
Originally posted by OMsk3ptic
Who really cares about Zimmerman? Holder is 10 times the criminal Zimmerman ever was. Unbelievable that people are so focused on this propaganda trial, while the big time criminals are totally ignored.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I thought you would be satisfied with the verdict and move on...
You have to realize that just as you have an opinion on this matter, so does every other person in this country. And their views and opinions are no more or less valid that yours.
I don't see it your way. I don't trust that everything George Zimmerman said about the incident is true.
The Justice Department is just doing what they SHOULD do.
You may think this case has nothing to do with race, but millions of people think otherwise.
Originally posted by sonnny1
You fail to add "RACE" into the equation. You failed to add Obama's "Opinion" into the equation, because you cant conceive that his opinion holds sway. Really?
The Presidents Opinion doesn't hold sway on those who voted for him?
Can you tell me the number of "Black Votes" Obama garnished in his Elections for President?
I cant believe anyone could say that his "Opinion' doesn't hold sway, especially when it comes down to Race.
Henry Louis Gates agrees too.....................
Because its about Race. Its about Polarization. Yes they have Opinions. We all do. They made it their ISSUE.
Why isn't Obama having a Beer with Hispanic Zimmerman?
Tell me please..............
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I guess my discussion with you on this is Over.
Race is an issue with this President, and time and time again he has shown that he will inject his "opinion" to further his personal Agendas, concerning RACE.
Peace
Originally posted by sonnny1
Race is an issue with this President, and time and time again he has shown that he will inject his "opinion" to further his personal Agendas, concerning RACE.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Race is an issue in this country, believe it or not.
There was no acrimony – nor apology – from any of the three: black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., white Cambridge, Mass., police Sgt. James Crowley, who had arrested him for disorderly conduct, and Obama, who declared on national TV that the police had "acted stupidly." But neither Gates nor Crowley backtracked either, agreeing they still had differences.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
But it isn't an issue with the Zimmerman case.
he has immunity from civil trials because when you successfully plead self defense and are ruled not guilty you get immunity from said civil suits
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant. (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
"For a federal hate crime, we have to prove the highest standard in the law," Holder said in April 2012, 45 days after Zimmerman shot the African American teenager in what was depicted by civil rights groups as a racially motivated killing. In words that now sound prescient, Holder described to reporters that day how "something that was reckless, that was negligent does not meet that standard." "We have to show that there was specific intent to do the crime with requisite state of mind," he said. Read more: www.kcci.com...
so as Zimmerman was not a police officer and not an agent of the federal/state government it is unlikely that hate crime charges will stick as the reason the Rodney king officers(two of the four) were charged with violating civil rights under the color of authority and as Zimmerman is not a police officer it makes it much much harder to prove
However, legal experts make the same point Holder did last year in saying the law limits the federal government's options. Because Zimmerman is a private citizen, he can only be charged with a hate crime in terms of civil rights violations under federal law, said David Weinstein, a former federal prosecutor in Florida who now is in private practice. To successfully prosecute Zimmerman, the Department of Justice would have to show that Zimmerman "caused the death of Trayvon Martin solely motivated by/because of his race or color," Weinstein told CNN in an e-mail, adding: "This element was absent from the state trial and quite frankly doesn't exist." Read more: www.kcci.com...
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If the races had been reversed, and a black man shot an unarmed non-black teen, the black man would have been arrested immediately, not 45 days later, under great pressure from the whole country. And I suspect a black man would have been found guilty in a court of law.
You call people "race baiters"... You always have to have a derogatory name to call people.
But try as you might, you can't just sweep it under the rug and hope it will go away.
this is why i laugh when i hear people demanding justice for travon,when their actions are like this but they demand justice i have to laugh at the horrible thought processes they are using
Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon." A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects' reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments. Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail. In a post that drew nearly 50 comments on Facebook, real estate agent Christina Dudley said she was walking to her car just before 9 p.m. when she saw several young black males and two black females chasing a 37-year-old Hispanic man west on North Linwood Avenue past East Fairmont Avenue. "One of the boys had a handgun out and it was pointed at the back of him," Dudley said in an interview. They caught up to the man at the corner of Fairmount and N. Streeper Street, and the male with the gun beat the victim with what appeared to be his gun while others kicked and stomped him, Dudley said.