Why Zimmerman is Guilty

Originally posted by roadgravel
There is the possibility that the OP came here, created an account, and then posted this thread to keep the public stirred up over the trial and not let the issue die down. It is probably being done at many web sites.

Wonder what group government dept would be behind that?

edit on 7/17/2013 by roadgravel because: (no reason given)

Exactly RG.

How many times have we seen this scenario on ATS over the years?

reply to post by Willtell


With all that fear that engulfed Martin, you care to explain why he went home and then went back to confront Zimmerman???

reply to post by okyouwin

It appears some here believe that there are witnesses that saw the whole thing and are certain about what happened. That simply is not true. There are only two people who know what happened that night and one of them is dead.

Did you even watch the trial?? The state of Florida called an eyewitness to the stand who corroborated GZ's account that he was screaming for help and that TM had him pinned to the ground and was repeatedly punching him. That was an eyewitness for the STATE.

reply to post by Taggart

Can anyone tell me, was it ever asked and answered why he kept following Trayvon Martin after the dispatch operator asked him to stop following? Because for me I think that is something that should have been looked at
closely.

Another untruth. The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that". Which was not an order to cease. Secondly, that dispatcher testified at trial that the opinions and suggestions given to GZ were not lawful orders by a LEO. Lastly, GZ heeded the advice of that dispatcher and turned to return to his truck when he was ambushed by TM.

I'm tired of people interjecting into this discussion who obviously didn't watch any of the trial and have none of the facts rights and/or ignorance of Florida law.

Originally posted by Taggart
reply to post by lowjack196

 

But in this case he quite obviously WAS following him so your experience isn't the same at all.

That's not a crime.

Originally posted by Iscool
reply to post by Willtell

 

With all that fear that engulfed Martin, you care to explain why he went home and then went back to confront Zimmerman???

He wanted a fight.

If I followed and instigated the situation, especially after calling the police and being told not to pursue someone, then I deserve whatever force may await me period. Would you agree?

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot

Originally posted by Willtell

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Willtell

 

The reason Zimmerman is not guilty is because the entire situation you just outlined is based on hypotheticals and what ifs. The law of the land states that the accused is innocent unless they can be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is no hard evidence to support anything you just said. If there were the prosecution would have presented it at trial instead of relying on their emotion based case. As someone who could have cared less about this case I must say that based on the evidence presented a not guilty decision was the proper decision.

The hard evidence is the fact that he Zimmerman instilled great fear in a 17 year old boy.
So much fear THAT THE BOY ATTACKED HIM. STANDING HIS GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How would your son or daughter react to a strange man stalking them on a rainy night?

Hopefully with brains rather then stupidity. Martin could have gone home, he could have called 911. Instead he attacked. There is no cure for stupidity.

GZ could have stayed in his vehicle. He had already called it in, and when asked 'are you following him' he replied yes, and police said 'we don't need you to do that', but GZ continued following on foot & in his vehicle. Perhaps TM didn't want this stranger knowing where he lived.. and might explain why he didn't go straight home. Then again maybe he was going home, we only have GZ account of the situation.

The law needs changed. Also, the jurors looked at this in the moment of the gun-shot. Surely a little critical thinking and common sense during the deliberations should have led them to consider more than only GZ's word, and assuming automatic guilt on TM's actions. It was as if TM wasn't even a part of the trial.

How does anyone say simply that TM started the attack--because GZ said so that's why, and we know that he had no reason to lie!

reply to post by Willtell


My god, you should write a book! This whole theory of innocent 17 year old Trayvon Martin ( a known trouble
Maker....through fighting, possession of drugs,burglary tools and stolen jewelry ) who was just walking home with
Skittles for the halftime show when he was profiled because he was black and shot out of random violence
Is the biggest bunch of crap EVER concocted by the usual racists (sharpton, Jackson, Obama and an uneducated
Mildly retarded Rachel Jeantel at the direction of lawyers for the Martin family) also if he was such a good boy
Why did his mother give up and send him to live with his dad because of the trouble he'd had with the law?

Firstly following someone doesn't warrant a violent confrontation by a teenage idiot with a tough guy vision of himself...if he truly thought Zimmerman was a real creep or even a threat why not go home and get an adult or call the police? (He was less than 50 yards from home) but instead he doubled back and attacked someone he feared when he wasn't cornered? Not normal fearful behavior

Secondly if the story according to Zimmerman was full of lies and he was such a cold blooded killer he would have been arrested long before 44 days and an irresponsible comment about an open investigation by the
Racist in Chief and blatantly false reports by the "news media" complete with edited 911 calls

Finally if the case was so clearly a racist hunting spree on a little boy then why was the FBI investigation not indicative of this as well as the "damning evidence" showing these obvious things to the jury? And why would the jury ignore the evidence of the crime and return with a not guilty verdict? BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG AND UNINFORMED

The story according to Zimmerman was supported by forensic evidence...he stopped following the kid when told to by dispatch and headed back towards his car...he wasn't the aggressor and his story was corroborated by a lie detector also, which Zimmerman requested...he also cooperated fully with the investigation which wouldn't happen if he was lying because he would slip up on more than a small detail here and there and most importantly the investigator found him to be credible which says a whole lot from a veteran detective

He killed someone and has to live with that for the rest of his life, he had his day in court and should not be tried over and over because you think he is guilty( if you were tried would you want to have a minority re try until they get the desired outcome?)

His background had nothing to do with the night he was shot. Additionally, the FBI designed COINTELPRO to intentionally divide, arrest and kill many of the African American leaders, civil rights advocates during the 60 and 70's so I don't accept the fact that they would objectively investigate this case. Lastly, you are a clear racist.

Originally posted by zomba44
If I followed and instigated the situation, especially after calling the police and being told not to pursue someone, then I deserve whatever force may await me period. Would you agree?

Instigated what situation? Its not a crime to follow a person, and TM made it to his dads and came back to confront GZ, ambushed him, assaulted him, and wouldn't let him up off his back to escape.

reply to post by RobinB022


It was not police that said "we don't need you to do that", which has been pointed out NUMEROUS times in this thread. It was a civilian. It was not a lawful order by police, and it's been pointed out that even if a cop had told GZ that it still doesn't excuse the assault on him and is irrelevant if at the point the trigger was pulled GZ felt he was in danger of death or bodily harm. Not only are your points untrue, they would be irrelevant if true.

Originally posted by zomba44
His background had nothing to do with the night he was shot. Additionally, the FBI designed COINTELPRO to intentionally divide, arrest and kill many of the African American leaders, civil rights advocates during the 60 and 70's so I don't accept the fact that they would objectively investigate this case. Lastly, you are a clear racist.

Umm, the state of Florida has hate crimes laws and the prosecution didn't try that either because there was no evidence. In fact, not only was there zero evidence GM was a racist, there is a mountain of evidence that he is not. He mentored 12-16 year old black kids, he took underprivileged minority youth into his home to live who had nowhere else to go, he had a black gf in high school that he took to the prom, and he defended a black homeless man who was beaten by the cops. Racists don't do those things.

reply to post by Patriotinwaiting


No bodies trying to make TM a saint. He wasn’t.

You’re incorrect about the forensics supporting GZ. It supports the fact that he lied. There was no GZ DNA on TM. No indication that TM touched him at all in the way GZ stated.
Any non prejudiced police investigators would have from the start arrested tried and convicted the liar Zimmerman whose story was one-sided and embellished in order to justify shooting an unarmed teenager. Go back and listen to his story and see how ridiculous and self-serving it is.

If you watch the video closely you will see the gaping holes in GZ tall tale.

Such as how if he had a bloody nose no DNA or his blood was found on TM.
That is the whole case right there, clear and simple. The idea that rain could wash out all that blood is absurd.

Also, the police in Sanford, obviously from the start pampered GZ and also likely deliberately fowled the case up so GZ would get off. It was just a black boy criminal he killed according to them, so why go all out and convict GZ.

The contention here is that GZ wasn’t the primary racist in this affair but the people who believe him are.

He was IMO a racist profiler, at least as aspect of racism

Why are supporters Of GZ likely racist tinged? Is clear when you automatically think the black kid is a criminal and that Zimmerman (fulfilling the role of THE GREAT WHITE HOPE) is truthful even though his story is embellished with obvious self-serving distortions and lies.

Zimmerman, like many people in USA has been bathed in racist stereotypes that ALL blacks are criminals and automatically they are lying.

Zimmerman has done the same thing that many whites have done, such as the incident of the little white girl plastering and defiling her face and claiming that black Obama supporters did it.

Or the guy in Boston a few years ago who murdered his wife and told the police a black man carjacked them. Or the lady who murdered her 2 children and also claimed she was car-jacked by a black man.

All these people turned out to be liars as most likely we will find out that Zimmerman is lying and Trayvon did not do the things he is accused of by GZ

reply to post by Willtell


Actually had you watched the trial you would know that the CSI witness for the state testified that the body of TM laid in the rain, his hands were not bagged, and that his clothes were never placed in paper bags, but plastic ones and by the time he got to inspect them they were totally contaminated with mildew.

Please people, stop talking about this case if you didn't watch the trial. It serves no purpose.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Willtell

 

Actually had you watched the trial you would know that the CSI witness for the state testified that the body of TM laid in the rain, his hands were not bagged, and that his clothes were never placed in paper bags, but plastic ones and by the time he got to inspect them they were totally contaminated with mildew.

Please people, stop talking about this case if you didn't watch the trial. It serves no purpose.

If you would have read the op entirely instead of hastily commenting you would have seen I dealt with that by saying it is ridiculous IMO that the rain would wash of all that blood and DNA particularly when his hands were under him and the lying Zimmerman pretended he moved the body after the murder.
In-fact this is another indication that the Sanford hillbillies didnnt give a damn about a dead black boy.

“Such as how if he had a bloody nose no DNA or his blood was found on TM.
That is the whole case right there, clear and simple. The idea that rain could wash out all that blood is absurd.”

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Willtell

 

Actually had you watched the trial you would know that the CSI witness for the state testified that the body of TM laid in the rain, his hands were not bagged, and that his clothes were never placed in paper bags, but plastic ones and by the time he got to inspect them they were totally contaminated with mildew.

Please people, stop talking about this case if you didn't watch the trial. It serves no purpose.

you are just pointing out how the investigators botched the case by not properly securing the evidence. the juror who did the interview mentioned the same thing. it's a shame that the jury didn't have all the evidence needed to make a proper verdict. the police were at the crime scene within minutes they should have properly contained all the clothes, gun, evidence and crime scene.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by Willtell

 

This comment appeared on my fb feed this morning

"The fundamental danger of an aquittal is not more riots, it is more George Zimmermans."

It's a terrible precedent.

Oh this is a choice cut here friends. Cant let this sort of thing just zip by as if its on the same level of an Aesop's Fable.

What has made more George Zimmermans and will continue to do so is a high crime rates. Were nothing is safe that isn't locked down. Are you even aware of the number of women that have conceal carry permits?

reply to post by Willtell


Your comments on the eyewitness who saw TM beating GZ ground and pound style? That was a prosecution witness.

reply to post by conspiracy nut


Its still unlikely because of rain that all his DNA or blood was wiped away with all that blood that was displayed of GZ’S nose after Trayvon also supposed to have had numerous times bashed his head on the pavement and slugged him all those times.

Also we should examine when GZ told the likely lie that he spread TM’s arms out after the shooting. TM was found with his arms underneath him not spread out.

The Sanford police didn’t give a dam about any evidence that might convict GZ.
This guy was coddled all the way through the system. Even the trial prosecutors were likely pulling their punches.

Most Lawyers who commenting were shocked at the flimsy prosecution.

Trayvon was lynched

I may soon do an essay on the Lynching of TM and provide the relevant facts