Breaking News! George Zimmerman found not guilty.

Originally posted by ChuckNasty

It does matter, opinions are what make up societies and change laws.

Technically incorrect assumption leading to out of context conclusions.

We strive to be a scientifically educated fact-based society. And we hope our laws conform to fact rather than opinion.

fact n. an actual thing or happening, which must be proved at trial by presentation of evidence and which is evaluated by the finder of fact (a jury in a jury trial, or by the judge if he/she sits without a jury).

Our courts seek to find fact, not opinion.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I'll agree with that. But is killing always necessary in order to escape being a victim?

Of course not. Responsible gun owners know when to use deadly force.

George knew when to use it.......he held out longer than I would have.

What would be more torture in the mind? Knowing that you killed someone when it may not have been necessary, or that you were a victim for a short time but lived to tell about it?

If I was justified in using deadly force I wouldn't have to consider either of your scenarios.

Ok. But how could u justify using deadly force against a teenager with no weapon? Your older, smarter, and probably a little more skilled when it comes to fighting. So how could you justify killing when your life is really not at risk? Maybe paranoia set's in. I guess that would be enough justification huh?

not necessarily. At my gym i used to sparr with people older than me and my youth used to get the best of them.

You underestimate teenagers. I was a more capable fighter when i was in my teens and early twenties than I am now.

most of our soldiers are not too much older than trey.... and they protect our country.

having blows rained upon you and getting beat into the ground would be enough to make most people paranoid enough to shoot of their gun..

Maybe not for you .

Originally posted by Shimri
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

See, that is what I do not get.

I am constantly told by these cityfolk about how racist I am, yet my group of buddies are a diverse group, none of which are my own race.

In my over three decades of existence, I have never even so much as looked at someone funny because the color of their skin.

Yet I am somehow a racist . . .

Oh, any time you don't bow to the demands of those playing the race card, you will get that label. I have had friends of all sorts, some as close as family that were very differently shaded. I have, too, been labeled "racist", sometimes simply for my color. The irony there is astounding.

As a side note, love your avatar!

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Who said anything about getting along with anyone? All I said is accepted, which is quite a different term. I can dislike some one but accept our differences without infringing upon their rights or freedom to persue happiness. Everywhere you go nowadays you will find druggies, I myself do not find their opinion on any issue of any true importance until they clean themselves up. You may live in a part of rural america but that one place does not reflect all. What I said was go to work in the oil field, lots of travel, lots of mone, and lots of diverse cultures.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

hummm, I can't argue with that. Blind bullets, can kill on accident. Nevertheless, I still think Zimmerman reacted to fast. From the sound of it he didn't make much effort, just pulled the trigger. Oh well, the court said it was justified so my opinion doesn't matter.

Did you miss all the screams for help? That he didn't shoot as soon as Martin punched him? He could have done so, but he waited till he felt there was no other option save shoot or die. That's from witnesses, not his own statement. In that situation, many would have fired a lot sooner.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

Ok. But how could u justify using deadly force against a teenager with no weapon? Your older, smarter, and probably a little more skilled when it comes to fighting. So how could you justify killing when your life is really not at risk? Maybe paranoia set's in. I guess that would be enough justification huh?

I'm curious why you jumped onto the verdict thread when you obviously know nothing about the case.

I'll fill you in. TM punched GZ, knocked him to the ground, mounted him and rained down blows. During the beating he noticed GZ's gun. TM reached for it and said "You're gonna die tonight". That was the moment GZ pulled and shot.

GZ had good reason to fear for his life and he legally defended himself. The jury agrees......

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You seem very intelligent. It's a shame you are letting prejudice cloud your vision of the world around you. There is more than just the inbred backwoods white trash of Georgia out there. Don't let the negative people you've experienced turn you into one of them.

That what you get when you make people have to listen to racist crap all the time.

I'm sick and tired of being around white superiority... male superiority.

The minute that goes away, you'll get no complaints out of me but you might as well deal with me speaking the truth. I do not write bad names or disgusting jokes about them. Everything I said was the truth. Doesn't it suck that the truth just hurts sometimes?

It's not PREjudice... It's what I've seen. What I stated was what I've seen... past tense. That cannot be PREjudice.

It's just a table turning tactic but I don't give crap... knock yourself out if that's all you got going on at this hour.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Most adults know nothing about fighting. Not to mention many teenagers are strong, and have quick reflexes. Zimmerman was very much out of shape compared to Trayvon. Teenagers are very capable of killing or hurting adults. It happens all the time.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Ok. But how could u justify using deadly force against a teenager with no weapon? Your older, smarter, and probably a little more skilled when it comes to fighting. So how could you justify killing when your life is really not at risk? Maybe paranoia set's in. I guess that would be enough justification huh?

I'm curious why you jumped onto the verdict thread when you obviously know nothing about the case.

I'll fill you in. TM punched GZ and knocked him to the ground, mounted him and rained down blows. During the beating he noticed GZ's gun. TM reached for it and said "You're gonna die tonight". That was the moment GZ pulled and shot.

GZ had good reason to fear for his life and hd legally defended himself. The jury agrees......

oh come now seabag don't bring evidence and facts from the case into this discussion.. we are supposed to fabricate lies about how zimmerman killed trey in cold blood.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Ever consider moving? If that is an option I would be out of there if I were in your shoes. That sounds like a crappy place to have to live.

Originally posted by votan

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I'll agree with that. But is killing always necessary in order to escape being a victim?

Of course not. Responsible gun owners know when to use deadly force.

George knew when to use it.......he held out longer than I would have.

What would be more torture in the mind? Knowing that you killed someone when it may not have been necessary, or that you were a victim for a short time but lived to tell about it?

If I was justified in using deadly force I wouldn't have to consider either of your scenarios.

Ok. But how could u justify using deadly force against a teenager with no weapon? Your older, smarter, and probably a little more skilled when it comes to fighting. So how could you justify killing when your life is really not at risk? Maybe paranoia set's in. I guess that would be enough justification huh?

not necessarily. At my gym i used to sparr with people older than me and my youth used to get the best of them.

You underestimate teenagers. I was a more capable fighter when i was in my teens and early twenties than I am now.

most of our soldiers are not too much older than trey.... and they protect our country.

having blows rained upon you and getting beat into the ground would be enough to make most people paranoid enough to shoot of their gun..

Maybe not for you .

Yeah, im a boxer myself and im cautious about younger guys. The inexperience is actually a benefit to them, they want it done real quick and will go all out for as long as they can. Youth alone is a powerful advantage.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


Like everyone else, these are my opinions. While 3/4 of a second or whatever the time might have been it still does not justify Zimmerman shooting. A slap to the face with his pistol might have been enough to get Martin off him. Or even pulling it out with a few threatening phrases might have been enough. Zimmerman chose neither of the two, he pulled his pistol and shot.

In my eyes those are the acts of a natural killer. Most people will threaten before they actually shoot. If the threats don't work then I guess there is no other option.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
I commend Geraldo for standing up to the mob outside the courthouse tonight, and to the pundits of the liberal media that were there..

He was only one that I saw that did not feed the racial flames of hatred that was brewing.

He said it best: "All tragedies are not crimes."

As I stated much earlier in this thread, I'm a black woman who has supported George Zimmerman from DAY ONE and I shouted and cried tears of joy when the verdict was read.

But many of my family and friends are steaming hot at me for supporting George, and how my celebration of his acquittal is somehow a celebration of Trayvon's death, and that is sick and twisted of them to say to me.

That must be very difficult for you. Well, you stand for actual justice, and truth, and that's a good place to stand. Maybe they can grow to understand that no one is happy this teen died, but people are happy that a self defense case didn't land a man in prison. I would say exactly what I have said, had Zimmerman been black, and Martin white, and the circumstances identical.

Hang in there.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


It was the act of a person who took self defense classes. Trying to hit him with the gun would be absurd. Real life aint like the movies here. A gun is for shooting, not for clubbing. It's a tiny little gun, not a huge heavy .357 magnum.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

Like everyone else, these are my opinions. While 3/4 of a second or whatever the time might have been it still does not justify Zimmerman shooting. A slap to the face with his pistol might have been enough to get Martin off him. Or even pulling it out with a few threatening phrases might have been enough. Zimmerman chose neither of the two, he pulled his pistol and shot.

In my eyes those are the acts of a natural killer. Most people will threaten before they actually shoot. If the threats don't work then I guess there is no other option.

if you were a realtruthseeker you would look up the details on the case, evidence, and testimony before chiming in.

either you are uninformed or trolling.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Martin started the fight. Martin has no fight injuries. All the evidence backs Zimmerman. DNA on Martin's knuckles, from what I have read, of Zimmerman's. Stop trying to make this out to be something it isn't. Every single person alive has a right to self defense. Do you think that is a bad thing?

I'd ask you to point to any evidence for the bolded part. Which is kind of the whole point. But since the only evidence is a statement from a stalker who shot a teen I won't even bother.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Ok. But how could u justify using deadly force against a teenager with no weapon? Your older, smarter, and probably a little more skilled when it comes to fighting. So how could you justify killing when your life is really not at risk? Maybe paranoia set's in. I guess that would be enough justification huh?

I'm curious why you jumped onto the verdict thread when you obviously know nothing about the case.

I'll fill you in. TM punched GZ, knocked him to the ground, mounted him and rained down blows. During the beating he noticed GZ's gun. TM reached for it and said "You're gonna die tonight". That was the moment GZ pulled and shot.

GZ had good reason to fear for his life and he legally defended himself. The jury agrees......

edit on 14-7-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

This is what Zimmerman claims but no one but he knows 100% if this is how it went down . Would you agree or not? And if you dont where is the video or witness who saw the first punch thrown in this altercation? Is it possible Gerogie swung first tray dodge it or it missed and Martine did a double leg take down and got the advantage? Is that out of the real of possibility?

Oh but im sure if zimmerman did attack first he would be honest about it. :/ LMAO!

reply to post by NotAnAspie


So you're basically saying this:



I.E: Do unto others what has been done to you. At what point does the cycle stop, then?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Shimri
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

See, that is what I do not get.

I am constantly told by these cityfolk about how racist I am, yet my group of buddies are a diverse group, none of which are my own race.

In my over three decades of existence, I have never even so much as looked at someone funny because the color of their skin.

Yet I am somehow a racist . . .

Oh, any time you don't bow to the demands of those playing the race card, you will get that label. I have had friends of all sorts, some as close as family that were very differently shaded. I have, too, been labeled "racist", sometimes simply for my color. The irony there is astounding.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King Jr.

As a side note, love your avatar!

Thank you!

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by ChuckNasty

It does matter, opinions are what make up societies and change laws.

Technically incorrect assumption leading to out of context conclusions.

We strive to be a scientifically educated fact-based society. And we hope our laws conform to fact rather than opinion.

fact n. an actual thing or happening, which must be proved at trial by presentation of evidence and which is evaluated by the finder of fact (a jury in a jury trial, or by the judge if he/she sits without a jury).

Our courts seek to find fact, not opinion.

edit on 14-7-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

Yeah - I was thinking of the states that allow certain laws to pass because a petition was done. Some opinions can surpass logic in those unique circumstances. Abortion is a good example...we, as a Nation, allow the deaths of thousands of people every year because people can't differentiate between a need (rape, incest pregnancies), and a want (being too friendly).