Deep oceans warming at an alarming rate

How about deep under sea volcanoes playing a role in this? Heating up the ocean and possibly releasing CO2 and Methane?
Deep Sea Volcanic Vents

"We're finding deep-sea vents more rapidly than ever before," says expedition leader Professor Paul Tyler of the University of Southampton's School of Ocean and Earth Science, which is based at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton. "And we're finding some in places other than at mid-ocean ridges, where most have been seen before."

But just keep the blame game going so that the tax grab can continue...

(from human-caused global warming)

They had to jam that one in ,The planet heated and cooled long before humans.

Originally posted by Elliot
Ever read 'Not by Fire but By Ice' by Robert Felix?

Yes. It's up there with the film The Day After Tomorrow in terms of detailed scientific accuracy and realism

Originally posted by haven123

(from human-caused global warming)

They had to jam that one in ,The planet heated and cooled long before humans.

edit on 12-7-2013 by haven123 because: (no reason given)

People were born and died long before IVF and guns

reply to post by AndyMayhew

Maybe, and yet the kind of extreme temperatures and extreme cold that is now being experienced, flooding and other weather anomalies that he talked about in 1991 are happening. Not to mention he talked of the undersea volcanoes being the source of sea temperature rises as well as increased volcanic activity. All are happening. Remember when you criticise the book and writer that man made global warming scientists claimed children would never know what snow is in the UK.

The data include temperature, salinity, depth, and altimetry of the ocean surface, going back decades.

They will not even give clear time that they have been taking this data just saying a very unclear "Decades"
decades does not mean a thing. is it 2 decades 5 decades 10 decades

Also if its a new type of reading how can it be linked to global warming with out some reference going back 100s, 10000 or millions of years,

They can not prove its new ,
They can not prove its never happened before,
Its just global warming BS for the sheepeople.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Deep ocean warmth is something another member here directed me toward looking at weeks ago and in that elusive thing we call free time, I've tried to squeeze in as much as I can for research.

first... It's so disingenuous to connect this with Man's actions it's just obscene. I honestly think we WILL eventually see logic developed at this point to explain temperature increases on other planets concurrent to Earth. If they can call deep water currents a direct and causative outcome of Man's behavior in the air above? Well.... Anything can be explained through that Prism at this point. Absolutely anything imaginable.

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You make valid points Wrabbit2000 and it would be a large assumption thinking only man could be responsible for such global changing activities on and off EA*RTH following the share about other planets experiencing temp. changes as well in association with the sea floor volcanic activity and methane release here. Valid. After acknowledging this SOL system data of how other planets are having experiences, it is to 1 subjectively speaking somewhat = disingenuous for some NOT to acknowledge certain EA*RTH activities which we don't have to even discuss that may be causing (speed up) to Cycles or ...

Logic comes in and its basically do we acknowledge potential cyclic changes in the SOL system? affecting other planets and just continue to stress this home or planets weather temp defense mechanisms with unshared ignorance practices ? since it seems like a cycle process or do we try to slow this planets process... With more intelligent green like approaches that may assist. Not fully clear on the politics behind scenes so forgive for my potential ignorances there but the idea sounds good and if deeply considered maybe if / when the more potential changes occur here - here will be more prepared??????? Again your points are sound and valid and its not finger pointing for those / we know. Just adding that current activities may potentially increase species integrity why others decrease potential.

NAMASTE*******

Originally posted by Elliot Remember when you criticise the book and writer that man made global warming scientists claimed children would never know what snow is in the UK.

Well, one person who was not a climate scientist made an ad hoc comment which actually proved to be true for several years (he was unaware at the time of new scientific research which hadn't then happened) - not quite the same thing

Gees, this will happen within my possible lifetime. I will get to experience something first hand that can be partly attributed to mankind's ignorant actions. We didn't fix anything here in America when we closed our factories because of pollution, we sent the jobs to factories where there was no regulations on pollution. As long as we don't smell the smoke here in American Cities, it is all right I guess.

Originally posted by minor007
MEthane Hydrates

Methane is 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. Locked up at the bottom of the sea lies millions and millions tonnes of methane hydrates in solid form. IT only takes a few degrees rise in temperature to release this methane into the ocean and eventually into the atmosphere where it will wreck havoc with the weather.

This is the main issue IMO-the fossil record actually contains a "dark patch"where methane signatures are heavily present,but all of a sudden there are almost no fossils of plants or animals.
This lasted not for a few years,but 15 MILLION years.
Its called the "Permian–Triassic extinction event."

Look it up folks.
Start here if you like:

en.wikipedia.org...

About our oceans heating up:

www.whoi.edu...

Originally posted by Elliot
Ever read 'Not by Fire but By Ice' by Robert Felix?

Deep ocean warming could trigger severe climatic events and sudden global atmospheric cooling. An interesting theory, but so interesting that yes the oceans are warming rapidly with undersea volacanic activity increasing. All planets inthe solar system appear to be warming.

WRONG....unless you are GW skeptic in which case this is kind of quote is nothing short of biblical!

There is no evidence of global solar system warming UNLESS you selectively pick the "warming" indicators and specific bodies. Whatever you do DO NOT include the cooling bodies!!

Now some folks have been to school , some have done maths, some know about areas of a sphere, some can work out that if Pluto is warming (according to the skeptics) and this is due to the sun then the earth, being considerably nearer, would be molten !

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Wow, I checked out your links and I have to say: I think I really have delivered some official "Doom Porn" to ATS. I almost feel like it's time to stock up on supplies and go hide in the country-side with my family. I know it's not quite to that point yet, but my mind is just going haywire with the possibilities of flooding & superstorms and such.

Originally posted by lostbook
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Wow, I checked out your links and I have to say: I think I really have delivered some official "Doom Porn" to ATS. I almost feel like it's time to stock up on supplies and go hide in the country-side with my family. I know it's not quite to that point yet, but my mind is just going haywire with the possibilities of flooding & superstorms and such.

Friend,worry not-if we are at the start of such an event now,it will take a few dozen more generations before we start gasping for air.
The most valuable commodity in those times would be oxygen.
I am glad I will not be there for that.

If however,we were alive at the point when the methane hydrates did warm enough to become airbourne gas we would all probably just go to sleep slowly at the critical point where we no longer have enough air.

Bad news for those in cars,or operating nuke power plants,but not for long.
News readers would be yawning and passing out as they announced the methane apocalypse.

As long as no one on Earth lit a cigarrete at that point,we would go out sleeping-if a cigarette was lit we would all burn.

Well, this could have an effect on hurricane strength. Hurricanes get their kinetic (movement) energy by converting the heat energy from the oceans into it. So, the hotter the ocean is, the more powerful they get.

It's also possible that deep ocean warming could have an effect on the current system of ocean and wind currents, redistributing climates across different areas than before.

I think I've found the paper the article is based off of if anyone is interested. I'm still reading through it.

Link

Abstract
[1] The elusive nature of the post-2004 upper ocean warming has exposed uncertainties in the ocean's role in the Earth's energy budget and transient climate sensitivity. Here we present the time evolution of the global ocean heat content for 1958 through 2009 from a new observation-based reanalysis of the ocean. Volcanic eruptions and El Niño events are identified as sharp cooling events punctuating a long-term ocean warming trend, while heating continues during the recent upper-ocean-warming hiatus, but the heat is absorbed in the deeper ocean. In the last decade, about 30% of the warming has occurred below 700 m, contributing significantly to an acceleration of the warming trend. The warming below 700 m remains even when the Argo observing system is withdrawn although the trends are reduced. Sensitivity experiments illustrate that surface wind variability is largely responsible for the changing ocean heat vertical distribution.

Anyone who is still trying to convince people of either position regarding anthropogenic climate change is just fiddling their flute while Rome burns down.

Enjoy each remaining day of civilization, make those you love smile and laugh, and realize our fate is sealed.

Methane coming up below, lithium and barium falling from the sky. We'll be toxic by this years end! I'm personally hoping for some sweet super powers. Hopefully flying so I can get off this # hole...

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This happens every time i fire up my SUV , and i did toss my straw on the street yesterday... your welcome

reply to post by maryhinge


Well, you probably need to understand many factors that seems to escape you. From the effects of evaporation, how water responds differently to temperature to thermal layering, effects of salt (at different proportions) with the characteristics of water and many other factors...

You can chose the simpler method that is to go by what the coal and petroleum interests propagandize, the idiotic name that was chosen to the issue clearly helps them at making fun of the issue 50% of the time at least, bright people refer to it as climate change since that is more evident to the common folk. Now you could also joint the percentage of those that think that finding the culprit is core to solving the issue but at the same time being blind that we are the ones that can do something about the drastic real changes, but remember to avoid the 1%s (and the corrupt government) from attempting to profit from it (or tax for other uses).

Get informed, do some research if your are indeed interested or can do something about the issue...

reply to post by lostbook


This is actually a very worrying scenario as any warming of the deep ocean may also lead to a release of pressure crystalline methane and this then may saturate the water suffocating much life in the sea depleting elements of the food chain and possible permanently changing the eco system balance as well as once it reaches the surface causing an even greater greenhouse effect in the climate. As you may well know there is already a run away thaw in the permafrost and that is releasing methane so it stands to reason it may also have a possible causative effect (in part through system feedback) on the ocean temperature rise, Hmm wonder if that is why major governments around the world are currently running rough shod over peoples rights and there own laws, do they know something they are not telling the public.