The Language of Vampyr

Originally posted by ragiusnotiel
Even so, Direne is most likely brilliant and I'm sure quite proficient in math. So I am curious why she'd say it in the first place, you know if it makes no sense.

So either she's just talking babble which doesn't 'seem' like her, or on top of having ways to communicate that we can not understand- she also understands otherworldly math equations and space travel secrets.

Ah, I don't even know.

She is correct, but only so much as we do not know the variables. It is true that a day on a ship traveling at near light speed can equate to months, years, decades, a millennia on earth depending on how close to light speed it is able to travel.

You could calculate it I know you can, but... we don't know the variables (which planet, when they left, the speed close to C that they are traveling).

Personally I think it is a Red Herring, to a bunch of ATS'ers who like to believe in this and I am not old enough to require Red Herring-aids yet...

There is no doubt she is clever. But so are you and do not say that you are not again you just are ignorant (I know that sounds rude but it is the correct word) in this area. I assure you that you have the same potential if it were your passion!

reply to post by Thill


Your right about the guidance, (I'm sure you saw my responses caused a little bump in the 'road').

I think it was unconsciously decided at some point that the convo will go where Direne wants it to, or she just won't answer. But I'll give her this, all of the directions she steers us in are fascinating.



Haha, after rereading this 'unconsciously' and the videos clicked.

reply to post by abeverage


The whole thing or just the alien bit?

The reason for the conversation, as it were, going in the direction that the member of FL has decided to take it is purely and simply due to the fact that the language that has been used by him/her/it is, along with the very existence of the website, and the fact that the site has been there for years and ony just noticed, AND that an exclusive member of that inner circle chose to open a small crack into the same, so conducive to rational AND esoteric thinking that, intellectualy there has been a little, how should I say, intimidation?
The mystery proposed is enormously intriguing, on top of that, we then get an extraterrestrial "hint". I mean really, what more does one want?


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That has just been added to the youtube link for untold incidents.

I was just thinking, the rationale that there are only 2 things that can be related from one species to another are 1: Leave me alone 2: Food. These thoughts do not instil happy thoughts in my head

reply to post by Direne

They obviously must of took a detour somewhere and will be arriving late, especially considering they have been on there way since the days of Sumeria. Lets assume they may be going a bit slower then close to the speed of light then. But that is all assuming they do the same math as we do, or that they would believe in light much less light speed, and after all math is a language and no two languages are exactly the same, some say math is the language of the universe, which may be true or not, however one thing is true that its just another language in a universe and one which like all other languages that just may only exist in our heads and peculiar eviorments.

But why do all of that when you can communicate at the speed of thought, a much deliberate and consuming process but instantaneous once fully converged. Which in some cases you may as well want to fly there as it will be faster, millions of years faster. Besides what would make anybody believe that your logic is right one used in any instance, much less space travel or extraterrestrial outraging. Maybe the ufo crash in rosswell was just a country bumpkin who took a wrong turn somewhere, or maybe it was supposed to crash to begin with. If there just sending ships willy nilly to exoplanets without having a way of communication preferable something that would be near instantaneous or take less then a few thousand years then they cant be all that advanced or thinking there whole space program exoplanet exploration through thoughtfully. But then there are probes and then there are probes eh, you seem to know a thing or two about probing things there Direne.

But hey we shall see. Throwing out scenarios are cool, but they almost never include the unknown, only the known unknowns. How could they not include them eh? Well anyways I for one am glad you came to answer questions Direne its made this thread a bit more interesting then usual. I really do not like rude people who just show up say something never answer any questions and leave, its kind of annoying you know.

reply to post by Jonjonj


I dont think I read this person ever say extraterrestrial to be honest, I think it is just enough to watch and see what conclusions are drawn from the vague and cryptic perhaps this person is saying something else metaphorically, maybe it is literal however this person never said extraterrestrial, some may argue in a place on that site from ayndryl was said non human entities but this still isnt ET unless you want it to be JS

also the code you linked is almost Cessani Diskus but it means nothing without color as this code is projected by sound whoever posted that probably didnt realize its significance and really leads me to believe that video was meant for ATS simply because comments on all other videos are disabled also it took them over a year to get more then 20 hits on some of there vids and now almost all are over a hundred hmmmm


It probably says "dont forget to drink your ovaltine"

Originally posted by ragiusnotiel
reply to post by abeverage

 

The whole thing or just the alien bit?

Honestly it does not seem as mundane as was suggested as some bored linguists or a prank. Of that I am more than skeptical.

There is some mystery here for sure as to what it is is at this point to me it's very unclear.

reply to post by Brotherman


She didn't say aliens but she mentioned a mothership, 1947, and an exoplanet in a following post.

For scenario 1, you do exactly the same. The difference is this: you were travelling at near the speed of light (otherwise forget about coming from an exoplanet). It happens that 7 years at that speed means 500 years for you. This means that the 1947 crash happened just 3 months ago for the guys in the mothership. hence, assuming those guys would do exactly what you would do in a similar situation, you should be expecting those guys to pop up in about 2 months, Earth time.

Originally posted by Direne
reply to post by Brotherman

 

I need to leave now. Tomorrow we can talk more about this. For now, just think about this: you are born to explore other planets. Actually, the time will come in which you will need to leave your planet. For that trip, you must have had already selected a target viable exoplanet. By the time you are called to leave your planet, you would have acquired the knowledge to travel at near the speed of light.

In fact, if you don't, you are dead.

Going to an exoplanet is a one-way trip. No return. Therefore, if you go, you go to stay. At any cost. At any rate.

And what you'll do... is what they are doing. Logic is logic.

Finally, 500 years Earth time is just 7 years spacetime, at the speed of light. Events that you think happened in 1950, happened 3 months ago, from the point of view of someone approaching you at near c.

I wouldn't dismiss RV as a viable sounding technology. Actually, is the only one you have. Inside your brain.

See you all tomorrow.

reply to post by Kantzveldt

I was hoping to discuss some of these issues and was holding back so as not to influence Direne's responses. She doesn't seem inclined to respond any way so:

The Gallu Demons are mentioned in attempting to assist Enki in his recovery of the Mes Tablets, containing the words of power and authority, after Inanna has got them off him and made her way back to Uruk with them.

What is the relationship of E n m e sh a r r a , ‘Lord All M e ’(evidently, permanently banished) to Enki? Is Enki the agent of Enmesharra in a position to influence people?

Nin-Subur is guardian of the East. This brings us to the question of Enki/Yahweh. Notice that the translation of Enoch material by Direne to Brotherman is that of Enoch (aka Metatron) He seems to be replacing Nin-Subur as guardian.

Metatron
...According to Jewish medieval apocrypha, he is Enoch, ancestor of Noah, transformed into an angel. There are no references to Metatron as an angel in the Jewish Tanakh or Christian scriptures (New and Old Testament);...he is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources, such as the Books of Enoch—1 Enoch, 2 Enoch, and 3 Enoch. In Rabbinic tradition, he is the highest of the angels and serves as the celestial scribe.[2]
. . .
Metatron is identified with the term "lesser YHVH", which is the Lesser Tetragrammaton, in a Talmudic version as cited by the Karaite scholar Kirkisani. The word Metatron is numerically equivalent to Shaddai (God) in Hebrew gematria; therefore, he is said to have a "Name like his Master". However, Kirkisani may have misrepresented the Talmud in order to embarrass his Rabbanite opponents with evidence of polytheism. On the other hand, extra-talmudic mystical texts (see below regarding Sefer Hekhalot) do speak of a "lesser YHVH", apparently deriving the concept from Exodus 23:21, which mentions an angel of whom God says "my name [understood as YHVH, the usual divine Proper Name] is in him".

The Enoch materials have become quite popular these days in providing the mythological basis for monotheism while explaining the gods as rebellious angel/demons.

My thoughts may be that Metatron may be an active agent, substituting YHWH for Enlil(if Enlil is indeed the rightful holder of the tablets).

I've suddenly lost my internet connection. So I can't access what I wanted to.

A substitution has been going on since Thomas Aquinas. Rather than recovering Mes tablets, new counterfeits are introduced. ie. 10 Commandments.

The Ten Commandments as Natural Law

It would follow that each of the Ten Commandments can be deduced from natural law. Such a deduction is sometimes taken as evidence supporting the argument from morality.
In this article, we examine the plausibility of such a deduction.
. . .
That we only now know several of these arguments to be fallacious is, perhaps, a demonstration that grounding these sorts of arguments in natural law is not a very good idea.
. . .
So this made some sense for the Jews of that time, but not universally -- especially now that a majority of the world's population worships YHVH.
. . .
Conclusion

Although several of the Ten Commandments are at least partially deducible from natural law, or common sense, others are not. This would tend to put the lie to the argument from morality, which would only work if the entire law were revealed in nature (as a "watermark" of sorts).

In the US at least, it seems that the substitution of the 10 Commandments for Natural Law has become almost complete. See Legal Dictionary at Law.com.

n. 1) standards of conduct derived from traditional moral principles (first mentioned by Roman jurists in the first century A.D.) and/or God's law and will. The biblical ten commandments, such as "thou shall not kill," are often included in those principles. Natural law assumes that all people believe in the same Judeo-Christian God and thus share an understanding of natural law premises.

That's number 1 definition out of three.

Like I wrote above, my network card crashed and I had to reboot my computer several times before it cleared. That gave Direne another chance to evade and sidetrack from your question.

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by Jonjonj

 

I dont think I read this person ever say extraterrestrial to be honest, I think it is just enough to watch and see what conclusions are drawn from the vague and cryptic perhaps this person is saying something else metaphorically, maybe it is literal however this person never said extraterrestrial, some may argue in a place on that site from ayndryl was said non human entities but this still isnt ET unless you want it to be JS

also the code you linked is almost Cessani Diskus but it means nothing without color as this code is projected by sound whoever posted that probably didnt realize its significance and really leads me to believe that video was meant for ATS simply because comments on all other videos are disabled also it took them over a year to get more then 20 hits on some of there vids and now almost all are over a hundred hmmmm

edit on 17-7-2013 by Brotherman because: (no reason given)

It probably says "dont forget to drink your ovaltine"

edit on 17-7-2013 by Brotherman because: (no reason given)

However you like to call it, the "hint" and I do say hint, was pretty clear, when talking about, say: a crash in 1947

It is rather implicit here I think: "Let's take the following scenario 1: A recce ship from an exoplanet comes to visit us. The recce ship crashes. In a desert. Say, in 1947. What would the mothership commander do?

Scenario 2: An F-16 crashes on a mission over a desert in Iran. In 2013. What would the commander do?

For scenario 2, we know what would happen. You just send another plane to see what has happened and report back.

For scenario 1, you do exactly the same. The difference is this: you were travelling at near the speed of light (otherwise forget about coming from an exoplanet). It happens that 7 years at that speed means 500 years for you. This means that the 1947 crash happened just 3 months ago for the guys in the mothership. hence, assuming those guys would do exactly what you would do in a similar situation, you should be expecting those guys to pop up in about 2 months, Earth time."

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by Jonjonj

 

It probably says "dont forget to drink your ovaltine"

I am going to go ahead forgo drinking any carbonated drinks while reading this thread anymore. As this is the second time it tried shooting out of my nose from laughing to hard...

It probably says "dont forget to drink your ovaltine"

To which I have absolutely no answer, however, the synchronicity of the event is interesting, is it not?

reply to post by abeverage


That made me chug too much whisky

reply to post by Jonjonj


Im not calling it anything, I am suggesting however to not drink the Kool-aid. why would a mother ship send anything if such a thing exists (this is if you want to take this as a literal hint) if a ship crashed? If an F-16 crashed I doubt Command and control would send anything manned by humans to check it out, more likely then not it would be checked out by a drone or satellite and further action would be computed by alot of people in command and control chances are teh pilot would be retrieved by diplomatic channels if survived and detained, if not and EnE then would be directed to Intel/covert assests. If you are reading into this as a hint then you are thinking about the kool-aide be careful

reply to post by abeverage


Sorry about that mate I have to ask, Did you get your cessani diskus decoder ring?

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by Jonjonj

 

Im not calling it anything, I am suggesting however to not drink the Kool-aid. why would a mother ship send anything if such a thing exists (this is if you want to take this as a literal hint) if a ship crashed? If an F-16 crashed I doubt Command and control would send anything manned by humans to check it out, more likely then not it would be checked out by a drone or satellite and further action would be computed by alot of people in command and control chances are teh pilot would be retrieved by diplomatic channels if survived and detained, if not and EnE then would be directed to Intel/covert assests. If you are reading into this as a hint then you are thinking about the kool-aide be careful

Lol there are so many holes in your argument that I feel like I have been hit by spiderman, but anyway...I do not disagree in general, I disagree with substance. If and I do mean IF I were in control of some starship thingy, then obviously, None of this logic would apply. We wouldn't be talking about earth or earth centric logic right?
Of course, I came into this thread because it fascinated me, from the very beginning, in fact I joined ATS BECAUSE of this thread. Now, as for drinking the koolaid, please don't make me a Jim Jones disciple just because you know a key word, that would just be wrong. I am enjoying my theories, and it is fun, but you seem to just like to shoot down absolutely ANYTHING that isn't in your gameplan, chill out fella, relax, and enjoy the fun

reply to post by Jonjonj


fair enough and welcome aboard, If you are interested in such things I may suggest reading about Dr. Jacques Vallee, then maybe some of those holes in my argument may fill themselves in especially the part about just needing a single craft the size of a car to photograph and map the whole topology of an exoplanet (like mars) that is kind of where I was eluding too, sorry I suppose sometimes I come off a little bit wrong to people not my intention. Cheers bro raising A beverage and relaxing now

reply to post by ragiusnotiel


From the start I've been smelling amines The way certain questions which would expose gaps in knowledge were handled, as well as the refuting of what is posted with "you are right we made a mistake...." reminds me of a cold reading from a psychic, though more in reverse, see what people are wanting, and use that to steer the conversation.

I've a decent knowledge base on a number of the times they talk about, and I still can not help but feel that this is a ruse, or a way to distract us all.

reply to post by Brotherman


I have read many things about and from Dr. Jaques Valee. Thank you for the obvious intent to teach. It is appreciated

And I STILL get the whole data collection thing

The wording on that last post from her is all kinds of funky.

"Your planet"
"Earth time"
"Called to leave your planet"


"Going to an exoplanet is a one-way trip. No return. Therefore, if you go, you go to stay. At any cost. At any rate."

And the real kicker,

"And what you'll do... is what they are doing. Logic is logic. "