The Science Cult

reply to post by SirMike

I think in some aspects that's correct, I believe in a god, just not religion. I just couldn't help the quick jab

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Sadly, I feel science has become the tool for the elites. Rather than learning for learning's sake it has become the eyes, ears and sword of "public policy" (which nobody voted for!).
Drones, JDAMS, Prism, LRADs - all courtesy of science. Some folks feel the trifling goodies released to the public like Iphones and plasma tv's somehow compensate us for it. I disagree. Science does not serve the public interest. We get the crumbs and the controllers get the whole buffet.
Science has become enslaved to the masters of money.
Nobody else can afford to fund them so they continue to create new ways to spy, control and destroy.

Don't forget, Global warming, or whatever they call it nowadays, leading to carbon tax...it's not a natural cycle of events that the world just happens to go through. No It's our fault now, apparently.

Oh well, whatever it takes to bleed us dry. As long as It's in the name of science, it must be true.

reply to post by Ralphy

Some theories that scientist have identified themselves with are not easily challenged. It almost seems ludicrous to question theories that have been "proven." The attitude of questioning within science is related to sinning in religion. It seems okay to question God(this is not a god debate, just making a analogy) but question the theory of gravity and you will be mocked.

I'm sorry, but is not correct at all. Science is all about questioning theories and challenging ideas. The scientific method's strength comes from other scientists experimenting and testing in hopes of finding results that counter the original hypothesis or theory. In science being wrong is a good thing, because being proven you are wrong takes you one step closer to the right answer. Scientific theory is always in flux, always changing when new evidence is found.

It may seem ludicrous to question some theories, but that's only because they have been questioned, tested, experimented non stop and no one has yet to find an observation that is not supported by the original theory. The moment some form of valid evidence does come forward that shows the theory is incorrect, that theory will be modified to account for this new data.

The only ridicule comes when someone attempts to question an established theory with zero new evidence, or trying to use non-scientific ideas to counter. In science it doesn't matter how much you feel something is wrong, your feelings are not evidence. It doesn't matter what any book says on the matter, words in a book are not evidence. It doesn't matter what your brothers uncle's cousin said about it, if its not repeatable, its not evidence.

tl;dr - Science wants you to prove it wrong, but to do so you have to have actual proof.

DC

Originally posted by xDeadcowx
Science is all about questioning theories and challenging ideas.

That's the kind of thing that looks good on paper but doesn't pan out in real life. "Science" might be about questioning theories and challenging ideas but people aren't. Science is made up of people. People rarely live up to ideals.

newenergytimes.com...

Science wants you to prove it wrong, but to do so you have to have actual proof.

Ah but is "proof" a scientific concept or is it just a word people toss around?

Does science deal in "proof", or probability?

reply to post by Ralphy

but question the theory of gravity and you will be mocked.

Sure, if your education goes all the way to the 12th grade and your job is delivering pizza. So, when you claim to know that gravity comes from rubber space bands, you are going to be mocked.

reply to post by BlueMule


If what you say is true, then how do you account for any of the advancements we have today? If questioning what we are told is not what people are about, then why are we not teaching kids that the earth is flat and the universe revolves around the sun? Ill tell you why, because people made observations that showed this was not true. They recorded these observations and did additional experiments that showed the earth is round and that the earth spins, not the universe. Do you think that claim went unquestioned? Of course it didnt, those that had a vested interest in the earth being the center of the universe tried their hardest to prove it wrong, but they failed. This is how we now know what we know.

All i am saying is that if you want to question established science, please do so. If you can show evidence that goes against commonly held ideas then you are doing science and the world a huge service by getting us one step closer to the truth. If your evidence is not repeatable, then don't bother.

DC

The thing is there is no dictatorial leader of science who knows all the science and writes down what all scientists should and must believe and think (though overall this is the process of science as a whole). So if you come across science that is objective, measurements of reality and unbiased, that is the truest form of science. When you come across people who then have opinions, or beliefs or assumptions based off the raw data science retrieves from reality, that is when problems begin. The work of scientists is some of the most thorough work done by humans thus far so if your ever in an argument or discussion or thinking about something, it would be in your best interest, and the people you are discussing and arguing with, to do some research on what scientists have discovered regarding the topic your investigating.

The Church can't guarantee saving souls, neither can science. Still I rather have all the divine visions or even tormenting nightmares which are meaningful in a sense or a true believer standing up for what he or she believes is right and leads to heaven based on faith rather than blaming it all on brain chemistry and writing a prescription.

If what you say is true, then how do you account for any of the advancements we have today?

How do you account for any of the advancements we had yesterday?

The appeal to technology is a silly argument. It goes something like this.

"We understand some things about this world. Therefore, only this world exists."

The atheists back in the stone age learned how to initiate a fire. Therefore, they concluded, materialism is true.

Sorry, but science is descriptive - not prescriptive. Science tends to explain progress, not set the stage for it.

All I am saying is that if people want to question (or practice) "religion", they should have a few years of comparative religion, comparative mythology, and comparative mysticism under their belt first, in my opinion.

How many years of studying those fields do you have under your belt?

If none, then how did you arrive at your current understanding of "religion"? Movies? Sunday School? Televangelists? CBN? Tabloids? Fortune-cookies?

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Ralphy

 

It seems okay to question God(this is not a god debate, just making a analogy) but question the theory of gravity and you will be mocked.

How about you use another example instead of a completely stupid one.

I hate how people use these vague examples like "if you question the theory of gravity" without defining what is being questioned and presenting the controversy. They think this proves their point when it does nothing but make them look like religious idiots throwing a tantrum over science doing a great job at filtering out nonsense.

1.) I don't believe in "god," I was using an analogy. Calling someone an idiot doesn't make you right, so you throwing around ad hominems really doesn't mean much except makes you look ignorant. This isn't an ego contest, although your more than welcome to throw around more insults if that helps you feel better about yourself.

2.) My point of questioning gravity is holding true in this thread because some people think its stupid to question it. The point is to keep an open mind yet many can't even know what that means.

reply to post by denybedoomed


touche

yeaaah lets just get rid of science altogether, screw it we don't need no stinking science, as long as I can still pray right??

Dear god, please don't make cancer anymore, thanks.

reply to post by denybedoomed


The true idiots are those so blind to the fact that we do not know everything. I'm presuming you fit into that category considering your response. We know extremely little of our ocean, much less how the universe works. It's thought to believe that our COMBINED knowledge both past and present (even knowledge lost) makes up about 0.0000000000001% of everything we know.

So we "don't know jack" about anything. We think we do, because we build expensive machines to toss particles around, go to space... Yet, what has that really shown us? Only that we're a very small and insignificant spec when it comes to knowing exactly how we got here, where we're going and how everything works.

reply to post by luciddream

Unlike the option religion had... you still have the option to make an experiment and prove the "elite" wrong. You won't get killed for your opposing ideas.

Time to wake up from that luciddream...

"...if you ask questions you’ll be working at McDonalds tomorrow”

Dead-Scientists

Updated List of Obviously Murdered Scientists

Science has no more credibility than the MSM...

Science is nothing but a MASSIVE form of mind control...

"...the Illuminati eventually controlled the science departments in all colleges and institutions of higher learning. The plan was to stifle scientific knowledge and then twist what was left to fit the science they wanted the people to believe. They accomplished this by adopting new rules in regards to scientific research.

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

reply to post by xDeadcowx


Science has become all about funding and Grants . The funding provider wants results and as lobbyers do they want their points proved . There fore there is pressure to keep the funding coming .

I'm glad to see such a thread. People need to wake up to the fact that even science has fallen into the realm of being used for control. In the past stuff like religion worked well. Today, science is the most useful tool to let the population think what you want. Because of the track record of science, people have started trusting it, and that trust is now being misused, and sadly, too many people are still too blind to see it. Even though the method is still very useful, what is presented to the public is generally not actual science anymore, but propaganda masquerading as science.

And the few people that do come out to say it, even from the scientific community, are shunned aside as being conspiracy theorists, pseudo-scientific, heretics and so on. The parallels with religious ridicule (i.e. sinners, satanists and so on) is uncanny. I've mentioned these parallels a lot of times, but, I unjustly get put in the same box again and again. Blaming the messenger is the norm today, sadly.

reply to post by Auricom


Haha, relax. I'm not claiming that we know everything. I'm not as ignorant as to think that something can come from nothing. As I said, I believe in A god, but with so many different deities worshipped worldwide, it would be ignorant to think that only one is the right one. You're right, we know little to nothing, about our earth, the oceans, space, and especially the mind of the so called supremes being. Do I think science and spirituality can go hand in hand? Yes. Do I believe science and the Christian god can do the same. Not a bit.

Here's a video to enlighten some of you.

Here is an example of objective research that questions the theory of gravity as it is commonly understood and taught in schools. My whole point of questioning gravity wasn't to say its wrong but the point that it should be able to be questioned without persecution.

“This implies that one of two very different possibilities must hold true,” explains Enzo Branchini, member of the team. “Either the Universe is filled with a mysterious dark energy which produces a repulsive force that fights the gravitational brake from all the matter present in the Universe, or, our current theory of gravitation is not correct and needs to be modified, for example by adding extra dimensions to space.”

www.science20.com...

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"[1]) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.[2][3] In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied

Science is only an empirical system to explain the physical world. It's not a cult, it's not a religion. Dark days for human kind when primal superstitions take over and the light that is scientific research is abandoned.

It's a tool and it completely depends on the people how it's used. He who controls the cutting edge research has the upper hand. And once again, being a rational, scientific person doesn't simply mean that the person doesn't believe in any sort of higher power.

I have to admit, I'm slightly disappointed...