The Terror Ties That Bind Us to War! Updated Info

Originally posted by LadyV
Eds trying to start a new religion..."Bushanity" I swear sometimes it's true...I have never seen someone worship another human to this point....it's dangerous and fanatical

Now that was not right, it is not about Bush, but about the decsion he made to go into Iraq. I do not worship the man, I just feel he made the right choice as did 51% of Americans.....

I worship only one man and Bush is not even in the same league, the man I worship is my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and him only, for there is not way to the father except through him.

Originally posted by Durden
Edsinger, here's a newsflash for you. Pointless labels and large pictures doesn't add more credence to your argument. It just doesn't work that way.

You seem to miss something , you fail to recognize the threat that the United States faces, when you get older you might understand.

You would be he one saying that Hitler had no intention of invading his neighbors as there was no proof of his intentions, and you would still argue about it when Hitler was standing is Paris.


Liberals will never support a war of any kind and thats fine, just be glad that there are folks that will fight for you and the freedoms you enjoy.

Originally posted by edsinger
You seem to miss something , you fail to recognize the threat that the United States faces, when you get older you might understand.

When I get older, huh? Get a clue, edsinger.

You would be he one saying that Hitler had no intention of invading his neighbors as there was no proof of his intentions, and you would still argue about it when Hitler was standing is Paris.

Oh, would I now? Then maybe you would be the leader of witch-hunts back in the day...
Still no credible evidence you'd like to share to support your opinion, btw?

Liberals will never support a war of any kind and thats fine, just be glad that there are folks that will fight for you and the freedoms you enjoy.

I asked you to pull your head out. This is not an issue about political preference.

Now that was not right, it is not about Bush, but about the decsion he made to go into Iraq. I do not worship the man, I just feel he made the right choice as did 51% of Americans.....

Don't confuse the outcome of the election with the opinion of the majority of US citizens when it comes to the attack on Iraq.



[edit on 9-11-2004 by Durden]

Edsinger all this time my husband has been quiet but after the election his attitude change he is angry, you know what he said about the war?

That to many civilians in Iraq has died and more of our troops will die also if our present administration does not re think his goals in Iraq, he said "oil is not worthy of so many lives"

I am done with your threads edsinger I know that many will support your views.

I may pop in and out once in a while, I did like you for your tenacity but now has turned into blindness.

Sometimes people go into denial as a self defense mechanism.


[edit on 9-11-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by Durden
[As there is evidence of the US training and supporting military groups closely associated with Al-Qaida; active in Bosnia as well as Kosovo during the 90's.

Osama was issued a Bosnian passport, at some point. Now this fact is tacitly swept under the rug. The US hepled to prop up regimes (in Bosnia and Kosovo) that was in close collaboration with some of the worst terrorists of the world. Don't you think it's time to bomb Bosnia and Kosovo?

And...

The originator of this thread, as it would appear, needs the feel righteous and fill the void that would otherwise exist inside him. The original paper he quoted and which I took time to read, contains conjectures and outright desinformation. The 9/11 report didn't conclude any ties between Osama and Saddam, and there is multitude of sources that looked at that and came to same conclusion, Osama and Saddam were unfriednly to each other at best, and in fact enemies (Saddam was a secular leader whereas OBL is an ultrareligious fanatic).

Whatever it takes, edsinger, whatever it takes...

Originally posted by Aelita
The originator of this thread, as it would appear, needs the feel righteous and fill the void that would otherwise exist inside him.

That would be my opinion as well.

alletia , we have already bombed that country. been there baught the T shirt! but i suppose right now we are in the mood to start on old enemies, so we could get the old conflict back together, add some of that radioactive ore and hell you even get WMD card as well. your covered on all bases.

ColonelForbin....

That's the best you could do?? I know what sic is and means. However I'm not goung to assume (from what I've seen) that certain others will get it unless I spell it out. If YOU want to sound more intelligent try saying something important rather than pick on a grammatical error. Have a nice day.

EDSIGNER is a brainwashed person who is really really unhappy...

ALL of HIS POST are PRO MONEY, PRO WAR, PRO OIL and PRO CONSERVATISM..............he must be RICH and OLD like politicians

Can't he sees that he his almost alone thinking like he does?????
Maybe Lostsailor would agree with him...

EDSIGNER why are you so mad and angry..did you have a difficult childhood, maybe you can share your feelings with us hen guys....

Can you tell me a daily routine life of yours so we can understand how u feel!!!!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by DurdenWhen I get older, huh?

Get a clue, edsinger.

Well I guess I should have said wiser but that would not accomplish anything. Look if you want concrete facts and want to hold it in your hand then I can not make you hold it, but I can tell you that the information I post is just as legit as what you do. The perspectives are different thats all.

Originally posted by Durden
Oh, would I now? Then maybe you would be the leader of witch-hunts back in the day...

Still no credible evidence you'd like to share to support your opinion, btw?

Look has the Osama in Baghdad visit been explained? If they were such mortal enemies then Osama would not have made it out alive.

As I have stated many of times, the old arab saying that "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" bears credence here. The 911 report plainly states that there were connections but no CONCRETE PROOF of collabaration. The article I posted would be a decent reason as to why they met and had contacts. If we can find the proof that the documents in which I posted show that Saddam was funding or involved in the Somalia fiasco, then you would have your evidence.

Even though Rumsfeld was cautious

www.abovetopsecret.com...


the documents sure paint a different picture than the one you attempt to present.


Jan. 18, 1993 memo from Saddam Hussein, through his secretary, to the Iraqi Intelligence Service, urging that missions be undertaken to "hunt down Americans," especially in Somalia.

Originally posted by Durden
I asked you to pull your head out. This is not an issue about political preference.

many more can be found as well as the translations here
www.cnsnews.com...\\Nation\\archive\\200410\\NAT20041011a.html


I would say that Saddam and Osama must have had an agreement as Osama never attemted to get rid of Saddam, maybe they worked togther towards a common goal , who knows. But America was the enemy of both.

Originally posted by Durden
Don't confuse the outcome of the election with the opinion of the majority of US citizens when it comes to the attack on Iraq.

Oh ok, well

Three in Four Say If Iraq Did Not Have WMD or Support al Qaeda, US Should Not Have Gone to War

Saddam's Intent to Build WMD Not Seen as Sufficient Reason

Majority Believes Iraq Situation Getting Worse, But Only 1 in 5 Want to Withdraw

But he got re-elected even though the public in general has no clue to the facts and the assumed facts. Some things will never be proven, and did you notice this one?

Only 1 in 5 Want to Withdraw

We have a job to finish and the only way to do so is to win.

Originally posted by Aelita

The originator of this thread, as it would appear, needs the feel righteous and fill the void that would otherwise exist inside him. The original paper he quoted and which I took time to read, contains conjectures and outright desinformation. The 9/11 report didn't conclude any ties between Osama and Saddam, and there is multitude of sources that looked at that and came to same conclusion, Osama and Saddam were unfriednly to each other at best, and in fact enemies (Saddam was a secular leader whereas OBL is an ultrareligious fanatic).

Whatever it takes, edsinger, whatever it takes...

I have no voids,

outright disinformation? Care to elaborate?

Unfriendly forces do not meet as AlQada and Saddam's folks did. Again why would Osama be allowed in Baghdad? True, I agree that Saddam was Islamic only in "show", but he also had things that Osama needed and was probably willing to sell them.

After 911, the chance that Saddam would play nice just could not stand anymore, PERIOD. He had made the sanctions all but moot, of course now we know why dont we? The claims of the deaths during sanctions were always directed at the United States, although it was the UN that imposed them and yet would not enforce them.

I do not live in a dreamworld, I live in one that is hostile to my way of life and my country. We deal with threats as they come. 911 was not the first strike against us, but it was the first to draw a serious response, and one that I think Bin Ladin miscalculated on, IMHO.

Originally posted by Amelia
EDSIGNER is a brainwashed person who is really really unhappy...

ALL of HIS POST are PRO MONEY, PRO WAR, PRO OIL and PRO CONSERVATISM..............he must be RICH and OLD like politicians

Can't he sees that he his almost alone thinking like he does?????
Maybe Lostsailor would agree with him...

EDSIGNER why are you so mad and angry..did you have a difficult childhood, maybe you can share your feelings with us hen guys....

Can you tell me a daily routine life of yours so we can understand how u feel!!!!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

See, Edsigner does not reply because what I wrote must be true...he is very unhappy and try to make us as unhappy as he is....

How can we help you buddy....People like you need help!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe You could go in Irak and kill the bastards! That would releive the tension of hate u have deep inside from the childhood you had!
Why do you hate! There must be a reason!

We wanna know what if all IRAKIS and ALL muslims people die under USA rockets, what will it change in YOUR LIFE???????????????????????????????

ANSWER ME PLEASE....I know u want everybody dead (especially Bin Laden!!!) , but what advantage will it gives to you in your everyday life????

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by Amelia
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I did answer the parts of your post I deemed worth answering, the others...well rants that arent even in the ball park.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by edsinger]

Originally posted by edsinger
Unfriendly forces do not meet as AlQada and Saddam's folks did.

That has been debated to death and is well documented. I don't want to repeat it here. Basically it didn't work out between them guys. Ever heard of a blind date? They discovered they have different goals. Saddam had no interest in a global caliphate and ceding power to religious nuts. He was crushing the religious fanatics in his country as it was.

You are beating on the same 911 drum when Iraq is mentioned, and that's just shameful. I really feel you want simplicity in your life and you get it this way. There was a bunch of fanatics who decided to blow up the WTC, and Saddam didn't have a part in this. The 9/11 commission agrees with such assessment.

Sorry I didn't mean sound like a shrink.

How many times do i have to explain this?

I do not think that Saddam had any part in the planning or execution of the 911 attacks. he might have known about it but that is pure conjecture on my part.

Again, one more time.

Islamic fundementalist Terrorists attacked the United States on 911

We declared war on the terrorists and those who harbor them.

Iraq supported state sponsered terrorism and gave refuge to those involved.

He had the means to provide them with WMD and was getting more senile as time passed. He had plenty of chances to aviod war, but failed to meet the agreements HE signed.

The UN would not enforce its own threats, so the US and a few Allies did.

Case closed.

Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by Amelia
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I did answer the parts of your post I deemed worth answering, the others...well rants that arent even in the ball park.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by edsinger]

It was not very OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!!! Any way...u wanna be hateful and frustated and beleive all that crap about IRAK...go ahead! U wanna hate people, poor irakis who barely have something to eat, then U GO THERE, U GO THERE, and leave us alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEIL EDSIGNER


AM i the only one who has the feeling of love and compassion for human beigns of planet earth!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I'm leaving that post....It sucks my energies and makes me cry

Edsinger I have to bring this to your attention the paper you show was discredited, as part of a pro-war prove of Sadam involved on 9/11 the papers were provided by Ahmed Chalabi those paper were shady.

TextChalabi even participated in a secret Defense Policy Board meeting just a few days after the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and the Pentagon in which the main topic of discussion, according to the 'Wall Street Journal', was how 9/11 could be used as a pretext for attacking Iraq. [10]

Also the prime minister of Iraq also tried to used documents to show the link of Sadam and Al-qaida but they were also shady.

Text'The new document, supposedly written by the chief of the Iraqi intelligence service ... doesn't say exactly when Atta was supposed to have actually flown to Baghdad. But the memo is dated July 1, 2001, and [Telegraph reporter Con] Coughlin himself places the trip as the summer of 2001.

"'The problem with this, say U.S. law enforcement officials, is that the FBI has compiled a highly detailed time line for Atta's movements throughout the spring and summer of 2001 based on a mountain of documentary evidence, including airline records, ATM withdrawals and hotel receipts. Those records show Atta crisscrossing the United States during this period -- making only one overseas trip, an 11-day visit to Spain that didn't begin until six days after the date of the Iraqi memo.'"

It is lots of document brough up by this two men Chalabi and Allawi they both have a common goal and that is to get control of Iraq.

Sorry.






[edit on 9-11-2004 by marg6043]

Uh marg6043,

That document had nothing to do with Atta, it was only found about 30 days ago, it is still being verified. I am afraid you have the wrong docs.




[edit on 9-11-2004 by edsinger]

Originally posted by Amelia

It was not very OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!!! Any way...u wanna be hateful and frustated and beleive all that crap about IRAK...go ahead! U wanna hate people, poor irakis who barely have something to eat, then U GO THERE, U GO THERE, and leave us alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEIL EDSIGNER


AM i the only one who has the feeling of love and compassion for human beigns of planet earth!

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I'm leaving that post....It sucks my energies and makes me cry

I do not hate Iraqi's at all, I want to see them Free! Look warfare is nasty, people are dying on both sides, it is sad here that everyone loved Saddam so much but as an American, I feel it was in the worlds interest to see him go.

Uh....Ummm...Errr....Marge, no offense.....but youre still here and responding to Ed, and ahhh....I thought you said you couldnt be bothered? (or words to that effect).

Sorry I see the humor in that, as I think I have said the same thing once or twice myself on the threads.....then i'm back.

Its almost seems like a compulsion to be involved....somewhere

Back to the "heated" discussion.

Originally posted by LadyV
Eds trying to start a new religion..."Bushanity" I swear sometimes it's true...I have never seen someone worship another human to this point....it's dangerous and fanatical

I've never seen anyone hate another man so much. I think thats more dangerous and fanatical.

And Durden, theres no point in showing the facts. I could shove a document signed by Saddam Hussein himself stating that he was planning on using a nuclear bomb on the US in your face and you still wouldn't believe me, so whats the damn point?

One more point I'd like to make. Yes the war in Iraq is nasty, but we ARE doing something good for the Iraqi people. Everytime someone from the US bashes the Iraqi war you're basically spitting in the faces of the young men and women who signed up to serve their country. At least they have the (censored) to stand up and do something for their country as opposed to typing anti-war, Jane Fonda like propoganda on a small discreet chat forum.

At least the majority of US citizens can see the light

Check out the link in my signature ed..... its some interesting stuff.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by LostSailor]