Secret TPP Deal Would Void Democracy

reply to post by xuenchen


And the steady march forward continues. We lived through a century dedicated to Westernization, this is just more practical maintenance and simplification. Big business has worked around this for 100 years but it looks like they won't have to for much longer. When the march stops nobody knows.

Oh and to grace the topic of Rothschild, they are a front. It's all just business. I'm sure much of that family today are among the highest caliber of people. I have much respect for David Rothschild - the humanitarian environmentalist.

But it is a pity that the cost of progress at such a fast pace is so high. Some people make out the cost to be much more dire than it actually is. We have time and America has been making strides environmentally etc. - partially thanks to those same people that make the cost seem much more dire than it actually is. But for the most part it seems unnecessary.

I guess some of you shocked to see this never read the memo... we are a CORPORATOCRACY where the corporations are our overlords. Governments are simply there to provide cover and lead the people to believe that they still have input into the political process. Government also exists as the conduit to make laws that benefit our corporate overlords. Just look at the recently passed "Monsanto protection act".

We are passed the point of peaceful resistance to what we have allowed to happen. I fear that this will ultimately in end violent revolution.

Sorry but there will be no revolution. It simply will not happen, we have lost all capacity for that kind of co-operation on any meaningful level. Wanna see the future, read Snowcrash or Shadowrun or any Cyberpunk novel really, sci-fi writers always see it coming.

Next up, the right for corporations to keep and maintain privately armed employees to protect their property and personnel. Oh wait.

So they have the legal power, the financial equivalent of a country's GNP, the real estate and enough 'security forces' to secede from the country should they decide its in their best interest.

My advice, joins the corp's as a salary man. Make your money and forget the world's problems. There is nothing we can do but smile or die at this point.

Oh say can you see..

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Flag for an important topic. Discussion - not so much.

Why would any government care about a corporation sueing it? What leverage does a coperation have over a country's government? If Nabisco sues France, does France even care? To me this sounds similar to the worry about the UN confiscating guns. Just another irration fear to nurture.

Crazy...

I've posted this trailer plenty of times on ATS, but this documentary needs to be seen.

Here is the full version.

The people of America and Europe are the only ones that can put a stop to this madness, and yes, it will take massive bloodshed to do so.

Welcome to your open air prisons.

Originally posted by supremecommander
The people of America and Europe are the only ones that can put a stop to this madness, and yes, it will take massive bloodshed to do so.

Welcome to your open air prisons.

We need national referendums on major legislations and 'treaties'.

Maybe then and only then will things change.

The U.S. has no Federal referendum policy that I ever heard of.

That's why the politicians keep the agenda going unchecked and continue to delegate the details to unelected bureaucrats.

Sorry everybody the day kinda got a way from me so the OP is a bit short.

This is truly one of the most horrific partnerships I have ever come across. It will destroy nations who don't have the political or financial influence to keep large corporations at bay and will further destroy our environment.

One example if this is signed is that Pipeline they want to build from Canada to the US.

The company can now SUE both the US and Canadian governments for making them lose potential profit if the pipeline gets voted down.

That is insane.

~Tenth

reply to post by tothetenthpower


As you know from previous threads on the topic, I agree with you 100%. This is what happens when the private sector is allowed to go unchecked, they end up making the laws. When this goes through and it will, freedom, whatever we had left of it, is over. We are already in the death throws anyway, within the same week of ruling DOMA unconstitutional, SCOTUS ruled that generic drug companies can no longer be sued by patients that suffer negative side effects. The House is attacking every labor policy we have.

I want off this planet and to get the hell away from these psychopaths and everyone that supports them either willingly or has allowed themselves to be so easily manipulated. These morons wanted unregulated capitalism, now they can choke on it.

Out of control!

When corperations are able to take complete control of the system like this without being challanged - people should be very afraid. They now own our entire country, congress and all. They are just writting their own laws now - and there are no oponents left with the moral fortatude to stop them. Its all bought and paid for. The greed runs deep.

Its so sad.

reply to post by Kali74


It's not unregulated capitalism.

It is regulated corporatism using Marxist ideas that fit an international agenda.

We are up against the most powerful organizations history has ever seen.

Marx 'wrote the books' for international bankers at the time.

Now we have the results rolling in.

The international central banks are evidence.

reply to post by xuenchen


Just stop with that Marxist BS. Marxists were/are anti-capitalist. It isn't Marxism that is twisting policy to empower itself and strangle the little guys to death, that is capitalism. A system based on greed will eventually subject more and more to it's aim.

reply to post by Kali74


Its not an "ism" at fault here. Its just plain unchecked greed. Lets not point fingers at each other. Its completly obvious whats going on.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Just stop with that Marxist BS. Marxists were/are anti-capitalist. It isn't Marxism that is twisting policy to empower itself and strangle the little guys to death, that is capitalism. A system based on greed will eventually subject more and more to it's aim.

So they claim, in textbook idealism that is not reality.

Actually 'they' were/are corporatists.

Look how well it's working in China.

A self-proclaimed 'Marxist' style government and a continuing corporatist agenda with many international companies doing business there with few restrictions.

It's always been about money. Nothing else.

Marx wrote about those Oh-So-Precious 10 planks of Communism.

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Abolition of all right of inheritance.

Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.

Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

The "11th Plank" is Corporate takeover.
The corporations use what's necessary to control the populations.
Many laws don't apply to 'them'.

They use the Marxist idealisms selectively to fit the needs.

It's just like people never using all the words in a dictionary.
They only use what suits their needs to communicate.

Ok let me break this down realistically because the Marxist thing is driving me nuts.
This is the clearest definition of marxism/socialism i can find.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
You really think THAT will happen in this world?
That # right there is Star Trek Federation territory.....


1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Actually it will be the reverse of this, if it does happen. In short, the US will lose all its property holdings to Corporate/Foreign interests and be reduced in its physical size. Citizenship will not be a right it will be a tightly-controlled and monitored privilege that can be withdrawn at any point.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
There will be few to no taxes because there will be no government services to support and no reason for the Corporations to hand money over to an impotent government. This means no cops, no schools, no public roads, its all corporate or it's nothing.

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
Rich people give their money to family, pets or other interests including Corporate reclamation of funds. This won't change because there will be no authoritative power to enforce this concept.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Immigration will be irrelevant because there will be no national borders, instead you will see corporate borders akin to a well secured work site that require visa's to access for a simple visit to any occupant within. No public land means no common laws, so in short, they can do what they want to you while you are on their land and you will have to like it or die.

Interesting note about rebels, i doubt you will see any. Not when any criminal organization with enough manpower and capital can operate freely without interference from the government.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Yea...because if there is one thing we have learned in America over the past 100 years is the Banks love of sharing with anyone....Get real. When we reach this point they will simply hire the best mercenaries they can to protect their interests.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Again, the opposite will happen. Public roads will become private ones with access controlled by a toll system similar to what some states and highways employ now. Any roads not owned and controlled by a corporation will likely be heavily damaged and dangerous for a variety of reasons. You will pay to drive on the safe roads unless you have no choice.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Wrong. Corporations will expand, abuse and destroy any natural area that stands in the way of their cement and black top daydreams. You think it's bad now, wait till the gloves are really off and the only rule they have to follow is the one that protects their bottom line.

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture
Nope. The poor will be used and tossed aside with little regard to anything other then profit. Industrial armies implies some sort of organization and strength, a better term would be corporate slaves. Sure you might get paid, but all that money will go right back to the company for rent/food/etc....assuming you get any of those things.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
Well. Yes and no. The cities will be so big and tightly packed that 'country' as you put it will easily disappear within urban centers. Outside of that, well it will be a big wild toxic badland. Agriculture will give way to synthetic foods as few things will be able to grow and nowhere will be able to generate enough food to feed the masses.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.
Well since there are no public schools there will be no education system. However, those who join a Corporate state will likely be able to pay for an education for their children. If you are not lucky enough to be one of these children, then you will learn on the streets.

That is the future.

reply to post by Thorneblood


Pretty good explanation I must say



Sounds like they're almost there.

"Fascism in power is the open, terroristic dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of finance capitalism."

I wonder how far this will go before people realize that it is global fascism. Unaccountable corporate interests that claim to be above the law that us lower folks have to abide by is by definition fascism. It can only last so long before people realize they've been screwed and rise up. Let's call a spade a spade. This is outrageous.