Anonymous: Hawthorne Police our primary target

If there was ever an environment, that epitomized the saying "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing..." it the "fraternity" that exists in ranks of LEO, and to a lesser extent, those in the military, that closes ranks when there has been clear violations of the law by "authorities".


The amount of lawlessness amongst members of Law Enforcement, is extremely disheartening.

That said... if I was a cop, and I saw a Rottweiler jump out of a car and head my way... WTF do you think I'm going to be thinking?

I don't know all the facts here... but from what I had read, there was a very healthy mutual antagonism between this fella and the HPD. There are pertinent facts there. It may well be this guys biggest crime was being caught being black in Hawthorne.

If that is the genesis of this, then I hope the POS gun smuggler running Justice earns some honest pay and goes after this LEO dept.

I abhor violations of citizen rights.

But I'll tell you this... if I was a "GOOD" cop with a sterling record and immense respect for the public... and I have legitimately detained someone obstructing my lawful duties, and they have a Rottweiler jusp their car and head my may...

My gun is for SURE out of the holster... and if that dog demonstrates it is coming at me, it's dead. I would feel horrible about it after the fact. But you don't get do overs during active threat scenarios.

FWIW... why the hell wasn't this guys dog secured?

reply to post by dasman888


The dog was secured until it's owner was unlawfully detained and arrested. That's the part most are overlooking, nothing criminal took place, this man was annoying at best and should have been sent on his way. The police caused the incident and then killed the dog instead of letting the owner calm it or using less than lethal force of which they have ready access too. You people that say you would be just as quick to shoot an innocent dog doing what it's instincts tell it are disgusting.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


We must have watched different videos of this event.



Now, if you watch up to about 2:20, the owner is taunting the cops from a distance, non-stop. Looks like he's waving an Iphone or something and what he's saying can't be heard. He's goading them into coming to do something. How do we KNOW this? Well, we see at 2:00, his last exchange with the cops down the block where he obviously knows he went too far or...as he seems to have wanted, far enough. He immediately goes on around and puts the dog into the car.

Then you see him approach the cops in a swagger, turn his back and put his hands in position to be cuffed.

.....all the while, the dog had been loosely led (NOT Secured) into a car with the windows rolled down and nothing to stop it from coming out at them.

If the owner hadn't provoked a thing he didn't even have anything to do with in the start? None of it would have happened in what followed. Should the cops have allowed major dog bite injury before shooting?

that officer could have used a taser on the dog......

but it's just another undeveloped idiot with an iq of a carrot...

i hope he gets cancer, a painful one with lots of suffering !!!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The dog is the icing on the cake in Hawthorne. Here in Los Angeles County it seems we can't go a day without a police shooting; people who end up not having a weApon at all, a guy holding a garden hose nozzle, 2 woman in a truck mistaken for a man who had a completely different color and size of truck, suicidal kid holding a cell phone, I could go on. This isn't the first animal and won't be the last, but people need to get involved and object at some point, if it's an animal that brings them to that point that's ok, as long as the goal is the same, the end of police brutality and the overuse of lethal force.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Sorry, again I saw no criminal act committed. And I saw plenty of opportunity to let the owner calm the dog or use less lethal force. There is nothing more to discuss, that's the bottom line, sir.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


Well, now there I agree. I saw no criminal act committed. I saw an owner spending minutes taunting police, then finally getting arrested as he assumed the position himself, like it was a big game. Then I saw Officers attempt to get hold of the dogs leash when it jumped up and nipped at one of the officers. That's a Rottweiler, not the Taco Bell dog and Law Enforcement has been known to use the breed themselves for it being prone to vicious protective instincts.

So, I then saw the Officer take the only reasonable measure left for choices in a bad situation (a secured dog wouldn't have seen happen). He shot the poor thing for doing what dogs do. Protect their owners. It doesn't make the act any less necessary but does make it all the more tragic, overall.

Someone mentioned tasers and that's an interesting thought that has been used right into lethal effect on animals before....but then there is always the chance it breaks loose and then you have a crazed and extremely pissed off Rottweiler, out for blood.

The only winning move I saw was not to taunt Police Officers while holding your dog ...and if that fails for self control, at least have the windows rolled mid way to prevent the dog from leaping right through when strolling casually up to be arrested.

The dog is the victim but I sure didn't see criminal action either, from anyone involved. Just stupid. Lots of it. lol...

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


Anonymous really has its values messed up. Innocent citizens are getting choke-held to death or shot to death by police, but Anonymous will only raise its invisible head to strike out at the police when they shoot a dog.

Oooh, a DDOS attack. How scary. How long will that last? A day or two or a week? Heck, provide the home addresses of the cops involved in case there are any nutty, extreme animal vigilantes out there. That's the only way cops are ever going to stop their wanton violence against citizens and animals. What do they care if their PD's website is down?

reply to post by MrInquisitive


It's my understanding a DdOS attack is akin to peaceful protest on the internet, and their website has been down since the day after this happened. I understand you think we should go throw these cops a good ole fashion beat down, but you attack anonymous for their involvement? At least they are getting involved instead of just talking about it on an obscure forum like we are.

Just an FYI the cops names and addresses with phone number have already been released, they acknowledged the officers were getting death threat calls directly to their their personal phones. God forbid some actually do what you suggest, I in no way believe these men deserve to doe over this, but they need to be held accountable and lose their guns and badges.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


Like I said... the police should be held accountable if they were acting unlawfully.

@TheCrimsonGhost, putting a Rottweiler in a car with the windows down is NOT securing your dog... I'm a dog owner, not a dumbass... and if someone was approaching me and my dog is in the car with the windows down... he's not staying in the car... and neither is any other dog with a pulse.

I don't know about the EXACT circumstances here... I was not an eyewitness. But if I was this dude, and I knew I had to give myself up to the police... I sure as hell would NOT put my dog in a situation like this with cops. You may not be aware of this... but cops carry guns. Why would I do something that stupid... if I care about my dog.

This citizen may have had his rights violated... if so, he should do something about that, and so should other citizens of Hawthorne.

But HE is responsible for the death of his dog... and that's no where near a difficult call on the dog shooting.

If you just need to be pissed about it... that's fine. But in less than 10 seconds I was able to find multiple OTHER videos that shows the dog jumping on one of the cops. That's how you get your f**king dog shot.

This isn't rocket science for cripes sake. I don't begrudge this dude for anything... or any other person who is standing up for their rights... but he knows... and any other responsible dog owner knows, that he made some judgement errors that led to one of his family members getting shot.

It's a very sad deal...

reply to post by Rocker2013

You seem confused, and you seem to be deliberately trying to paint a false picture in defense of corrupt cops too.

No, not once did I even mention the officers and I am not confused.
Please, point out how I was deliberately painting a false picture of these policeman?

A DDoS attack is not a hacking, it's not targeted to gather information. DDoS is directing traffic to a site until there is more traffic than the server can handle. This is why it's not technically illegal.

Forcing a company/site offline causing monetary loss or operating downtime is very much illegal.

Just because all you hear about is DDOS, doesn't mean that's all that is happening, 99% of the time corporations or companies, heck even their IT Departments that get hacked will not tell you the extent of the intrusion, they do this to try and instil a sense of security.

DDOS is just a case of spamming someones IP with useless traffic until it cant communicate anymore.
But haven't you ever suspected that this might be a symptom of getting in and stealing data? that this may be a cover? or an effort for them to hide their tracks? why risk getting caught hitting a policestation if all your doing is taking their www. offfline?

wow, hey look they've done it before!
www.theregister.co.uk...

Hacktivists have released a huge cache of stolen data from US law enforcement agencies as revenge for the arrest of alleged members of LulzSec and Anonymous.
The 10GB data dump covered personal information, email addresses, social security numbers, and credit card details swiped from an online sheriff's store. The batch also covered data on informants.
The information covered 76 law enforcement websites in 11 states, most reportedly hosted by the same firm, Arkansas-based Brooks-Jeffrey Marketing.

vr-zone.com...

Anonymous dumps tons of Bank of America spying data onto the web

When Anon profiles and releases information on someone, 90% of that information is freely available to anyone out there withe access to Google, and Facebook, they just gather it all together in one neat little package.

Finally, the information that anon or lulsec would gain through hacking IS NOT public information. where did you get that? why would they hack through firewalls and proxies just to get something they can access from Google?
I'm pretty sure law enforcement agencies don't have the names, addresses and credit card details of cops on Google.
I dont care who did what or who's innocent from the police station, thats not why I commented above, It was simply to say that DDOS is not useless, I used to believe it was too, but since anon seem to drop bucket loads of private data from their victims after a DDOS, it seems that DDOS isnt the actual extent of their hits.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Rocker2013

 

DDOS is just a case of spamming someones IP with useless traffic until it cant communicate anymore.
But haven't you ever suspected that this might be a symptom of getting in and stealing data? that this may be a cover? or an effort for them to hide their tracks? why risk getting caught hitting a policestation if all your doing is taking their www. offfline?

I agree here DDOS can be about crippling the security system rather than just flooding, there's all types of ways of hacking techniques and I imagine theres a DMZ (firewall behind a firewall) on a police server. Most of lulzsec was arrested though and a lot of them were anons. Topiary was even on a tv documentary about hackers, if you didnt know hes the one who pwned Westbro baptist church live on u.s tv...but that being said it proves anonymous are more well structured than you think. Not just an angry rabble of script kiddies, how people are slagging them off here you best hope they don't find out. How you would cry if this site was shutdown and your email and logins getting owned. Trust me i know don't piss off hackers, I once had a rant on a hacker irc channel didnt end up well for my computer......(we are legion)..woop

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


Yup. The USA is a police state. They have been changed from peace officers into an armed force. Of course there are "good cops" out there. But this friction came from somewhere... and it didn't come from neighborhoods deciding out of the blue that police were out of control.

It started with corruption when they were paid to break up strikes more than a century ago and wildly escalated with the horrible drug wars targeting minorities (at first) . Now they are an armed wing of the elite class.

In many cities, for instance, they are mandated to write at least one ticket a day... regardless... and it just spins out from there. Giving nervous kids with fascist leanings big guns and body armor and little oversight is bad. Period.

Good for anon... or whomever takes up that mantle.

Originally posted by TheCrimsonGhost
What you all are failing to realize is this isn't a one time incident. We deal with these types of incidents with our police in So Cal on a daily basis, and they shoot people most often. The dog is just the icing on the cake. I don't expect supehans to understand why anonymous is involved, he has proven his ignorance to us all already, but surely everyone else must understand this Police abuse and corruption has gone on long enough and it's time we stand up for ourselves, and our loved one's and loved pets even, and do something about it.

edit on 7/6/2013 by TheCrimsonGhost because: (no reason given)

If you look, you can find a map of all these events.

www.cato.org...

Like Elizabeth Daly, who was arrested for drinking bottled water by the police.

Or Anthony Mitchell whose home the police wanted to use as a stake-out:
"[Police officers] conspired among themselves to force Anthony Mitchell out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use. It was determined to move to [the home address] and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested."

www.prisonplanet.com... html

You couldn't make it up.

Originally posted by TheCrimsonGhost
What you all are failing to realize is this isn't a one time incident. We deal with these types of incidents with our police in So Cal on a daily basis, and they shoot people most often. The dog is just the icing on the cake. I don't expect supehans to understand why anonymous is involved, he has proven his ignorance to us all already, but surely everyone else must understand this Police abuse and corruption has gone on long enough and it's time we stand up for ourselves, and our loved one's and loved pets even, and do something about it.

edit on 7/6/2013 by TheCrimsonGhost because: (no reason given)

They are shooting the next generation of souls that will progress, our pets are our little brothers and sisters, and that is why they are targetted like this, and other mammals too. The brain structure is similar to human, and they have so many feelings and emotions. This isn't random bullying but a real agenda by the darkside to halt, in their opinions, the good loving souls that can come in, and to bring their lower dimensionals in instead.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD

Not all police are bad people, it just a shame theres a whole bunch of them ruining it. I blame the training they get and the way the police command system in the US is structured. They get far to much of a free reign to do what ever they want.

Remember this?




That picture resulted from an attempted execution of the truck's occupants by a number of police. Either these police were totally out-of-control or they were ordered to execute these people.



Remember this?






Or this?

Nevada cops sued over forced occupation of private homes



If police will follow orders to behave like this, are they a legitimate body or are they government-sponsored thugs? Who do they really serve?



Another member mentioned the possibility that Anonymous was a CIA front. It is entirely possible. If you ran an organization flush with cash from black projects like international narcotics trafficking, what would you do? I would expect them to first ...... line their pockets. Then I would expect them to invest for the long term and invest in activities designed to allow control of the political process -- .

Perhaps, if this was my "company", I would create organizations like Anonymous. Perhaps I would take control of trademark businesses like Popular Mechanics and JC Penny. Perhaps I would .....

Of course, there are other sources of money and control. Do you remember Rumsfield's press conference on 9/10/2001? What happened to that 2.3 trillion dollars missing at the DoD? Musta been an accounting error .....

Well I'm glad most around here see what this path is leading us to. Militarized police, running a police state, and all that excuse the behavior of these officers are already brainwashed and ready to comply. I for one, will not stand by quietly while people and animal alike are murdered in cold blood. You can claim the animal wasn't properly secured all day long, but the bottom line is the officer pulled that trigger, instead of trying to use less than lethal force. And the dog would have never been unsecured had the police stuck to doing their job and ignored the annoying guy. Police are suppose to De-escalate these types of situations, and should have let the man calm his animal after unlawfully detaining him. I will say this one last time, filming and even saying things that officers might not like is not a crime, this should have never escalated to an innocent animal being killed.

reply to post by PhoenixOD


After viewing the video, I agree with those that think the cops easily could have taken a different course of action. I wonder why they confronted him at all. Having said that, how much culpability did Mr. Rosby have in this situation ? He put his dog in the car, but left the windows down enough that he had to know the dog could escape. He could have prevented the whole thing by securing his dog properly in a situation where he probably knew how the dog would react.

reply to post by Okeyd57


I'm sure in that moment he didn't realize the window was down enough and the dog was going to get out, surely he didn't want his dog involved. Lethal force should be the last option. This so called "man" had a taser and pepper spray on his belt just as accessible as his gun. Problem is he is trigger happy and joined up to shoot stuff, he saws the opportunity and took it. I see my mailman brave meaner dogs than this on a daily basis with just a can of pepper spray. I spoke with him about this incident and he agreed with the majority here, this is unacceptable police behavior. The man should have never been cuffed in the first place, they should have sent him on his way with a warning for being annoying, no criminal acts were committed, I saw no Police line tape indicating an area the public aren't allowed at the moment, etc.