Obamacare can take money directly from your bank account to pay medical fees

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
Please don't reference other sources, only someone who has read the bill would know.

It's hard to reference the bill when what you're claiming is not in the bill... No, it's not true.

www.snopes.com...

LOL! Snopes is not the be all end all of conclusions. Its so annoying when people post up snopes thinking that it ends the debate/discussion.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
They can't take it out of your tax return if you get nothing back. Increase your deductions to minimize your withholding amount. Or, go 1099 and pay only what you owe.

My tax return is going towards paying a medical bill, so it's already spoken for. Anything else and they can send a lynch mob after me. Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

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Just a word of advice...Do not keep your money in a lock box in any bank!

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Middle class city dwellers are doomed.

It is a good idea to keep cash and valuables at home - well hidden.

They will definitely seize bank accounts, Obama-care or not. US Government is spending too much money that it does not have. Next is Pension accounts and bank accounts after that.

Best is to become a farmer, as a farmer at least can grow food to survive. City dwellers are worst as they cannot grow anything, and government can easily seize their property.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
They can't take it out of your tax return if you get nothing back. Increase your deductions to minimize your withholding amount. Or, go 1099 and pay only what you owe.

We the people need to limit our tax liability... so the corporations who claim to have such a high tax rate who really pay much less pay their fair share!

Originally posted by stormcell

Originally posted by grandmakdw

Originally posted by itsallintheegg
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Here is the Bill... www.gpo.gov...
Start here.

OMG, it nearly crashed my computer and is as searchable as rubber on a ball.

Was hoping someone on ATS would be able to help - which section should I look in? Is there a searchable form of the bill?

page 717:

nd withhold such premiums on behalf of enrolled employees.
‘‘(2) ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT MECHANISM.—The Secretary,
in coordination with the Secretary of the Treasury, shall estab-
lish alternative procedures for the payment of monthly pre-
miums by an individual enrolled in the CLASS program—
‘‘(A) who does not have an employer who elects to
deduct and withhold premiums in accordance with subpara-
graph (A); or
‘‘(B) who does not earn wages or derive self-employ-
ment income.

Yes - and this proves - what? That insurance premiums need to be paid - just as they do now - whether by payroll deduction or individual monthly check.

This doesn't prove this point at all - it's taken out of context (clearly as it starts in the middle of a sentence) All it speaks to is 'alternative' means to pay insurance premiums.

One thing Americans should keep in mind, usually when a bill passes and there is outrage from anyone in government, it doesn't work out good for them or the lobbyists greasing their coffers. When it totally screws people over, they support it blindly "Gotta get them criminals, woohoo!" *Patriot act, etc.

So...

Take that into account when you're looking for things that may or may not be there.

I have not taken any time to actually look into Obamacare, so I don't have a clue. The opposition from government officials though leads me to believe the whole story isn't being told. As we've seen more politicians come out about this issue, than we ever say with NDAA, Patriot, Cispa, etc.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear granmakdw,

Okay, lets talk about what it means to cause a bank run. When everyone takes their money out of the banks, all the banks fail and they have to call in their loans and nobody can pay a 30 year mortgage in a day or even a 5 year car note. Do you really want to see everyone ask for their cash at the same time? "Obamacare" is not going to steal everyone's bank accounts, how does that even make sense? Banks only keep 7 to 10% of deposits on hand, the rest is lent out to your neighbors to buy cars and houses and then they pay the bank back.

let's not forget that none of the money is actually real....the paper is only as valuable as the materials that went into it's creation...

the money is mostly numbers in a computer anyway. so they reach in, and they subtract a sum of fake money from your bank account, and now you have less fake money to purchase goods and services with. the banks are not going to go under, because the government will just keep propping them up with more fake money..

General Strike!

General Strike!

General Strike!

We better all get on the same page before it's too late.

Too late!

Too late!

Too late!

OOPS, now I'm probably on the watch-list.

and the really awful part is this:

the federal government has passed into law, an act that requires us to give them money....and if we don't give it to them willingly, they will simply take it. and if you fail to cooperate, they can (and most likely will) put you in prison....this is 1913 all over again.

100 years later, and they have once again passed legislation, to help themselves to more of our money, that they have no right to in the first place.

and the saddest bit of it all, is that even when they start jailing people for not cooperating with this BS, the people will STILL not become angry enough to act...if they even notice at all...

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Well who do you and your mother think should pay your medical bills???

[crickets]