Bolivian leader's plane rerouted because Snowden suspected on board

Bolivian leader's plane rerouted because Snowden suspected on board

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LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — Bolivia's foreign minister says the plane bringing President Evo Morales home from Russia was rerouted to Austria after France and Portugal refused to let it to cross their airspace because of suspicions that NSA leaker Edward Snowden was on board.

David Choquehuanca has denied that Snowden was on the plane, saying "we don't know who invented this lie, but we want to denounce to the international community this injustice with the plane of President Evo Morales."

Bolivia's foreign minister said Tuesday that both France and Portugal canceled authorization for

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What a game of cat and mouse this is turning out to be. The Bolivians deny there's any truth to the rumour - but France and Portugal won't even let him fly over their air space! What chance does this guy have?

He is no agent provocateur - he is a man with a conscience. And - if it's no biggie - cos we all knew what they were up to anyway - why the furore?

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You beat me to it. Can you imagine if a country tried to force Airforce One to land?

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They haven't forced them to land as such - they've just said they can't take the route they were planning on until they know Snowden's not on board. But no - I definitely cannot imagine any country daring to do this with Airforce One - that is unimaginable.

Snowden's tale is turning into the plot of a le Carre novel.

BBC - Snowden

Story is on the Beeb site now.

Wow, that's crazy. They won't even let the plane into their airspace because they think he might be on board?

This is serious business.

Now, WHY would they not allow it? Either there is some covert threat or coercion from the US about it flying through the airspace, or they themselves are such "allies" that they are proactively doing anything to help the US. Either way, they are lapdogging it.

This is pretty crazy. Pretty serious.

And the fact his passport is revoked, and that the US, directly and through proxy, are erasing everything around him until he will be exposed, alone, and the full weight of the US will come down on him, legally or lethally.

And you know the US is twisting arms and nipples of every nation, and coercing them through some very sinister means.

Welcome to the New Age of the US.

This is scary.

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Yep it is scary. Arm twisting, yes, definitely. But there's also the fact that each of these nations are likely up to very similar games and don't want to send the wrong messages to their own people.

Originally posted by Liquesence
Wow, that's crazy. The won't even let the plane into their airspace because they think he might be on board?

This is serious business.

Now, WHY would they not allow it?

I would guess out of concern that something might happen that would force the plane to land on their territory, and then THEY would be stuck in the position that Russia is in now. As I recall, EU countries won't extradite people to the United States who would be subject to the death penalty, so they'd be in a tough position.

The United States is exposed as spying on these nations, yet, they still go out of their way not to upset the American government.

GUTLESS! There are no American allies, only puppets!

It is looking more and more like poor Snowden is done for...

FREEDOM IS DEAD!

CNN have interviewed the Bolivian defence minister, Ruben Saavedra, who has expressed outrage at the decision to reroute the president's plane. He said the US government was behind the rumours that Snowden was on board.

"This is a lie, a falsehood," he said. "It was generated by the US government."

He added:

It is an outrage. It is an abuse. It is a violation of the conventions and agreements of international air transportation

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could be a good example of misdirection , let the us and France/Austria think he's on the plane so they can shuttle him somewhere else, was the first thing that I thought

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what makes me angry is the fact that the US government and other nations say that snowden broke US law, technically yes this is correct, but then so is conducting secret spying on your own citizens and governments around the world,

the only thing that makes me madder than that is the news coverage that is dedicated to the status of snowden and his whereabouts and the seemingly lack of what Prism actually did and the fact that it was illegal,

its apparently illegal to tell the world about something that is illegal, so glad I don't have any kids, this world is a joke

Bolivian plane crossed Austria, reached almost to the Alps and then did 180 degrees turn and returned to Vienna and landed there.
US suspects that there is a known spy on board. They positively know that there is a Bolivian president and his entourage on board, who just finished trade talks with another internationally important person - Putin. The US does not care about diplomatic protocols, relative rank and pride of people - they just want their game and refuse to allow the plane to fly home.

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Helen Davidson has just been on the phone with general aviation staff at Vienna international airport.

Staff confirmed that the plane carrying Morales has landed there, and has not left. They said they were unable to say how many passengers were on board as they were not given a passenger list.

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The US is just making it worse for themselves by reacting. They want to hold Snowden accountable for breaking the law - fine. But to break more laws while doing it? And what about them being held accountable for breaking one of our most sacred laws? The right to have searches take place if there is a court order and reasonable suspicion? A mass court order for all Americans is not justifiable and this was not what our forefathers meant and our government knows this good and well.

I have pretty much forgotten about Mr. Assange (or had until recently). That's because they let him go quietly - Snowden will stay in the public eye because of how the government is behaving. Maybe it's an unconscious cry for help by the Feds?

The US government states all children learn the constitution in schools - its mandatory. Maybe they need to add to that curriculum that its just words and here are the examples of what will happen to you when you defend it.

Snowden is not on the plane !

Bolivian President Evo Morales is at Vienna airport, but fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is not on board his plane, an Austrian foreign ministry official confirmed early Wednesday.

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Originally posted by pigsy2400
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what makes me angry is the fact that the US government and other nations say that snowden broke US law, technically yes this is correct, but then so is conducting secret spying on your own citizens and governments around the world,

Is diverting a plane carrying a sovereign nation's leader against the law?

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by pigsy2400
reply to post by jarrodpace

 

what makes me angry is the fact that the US government and other nations say that snowden broke US law, technically yes this is correct, but then so is conducting secret spying on your own citizens and governments around the world,

Is diverting a plane carrying a sovereign nation's leader against the law?

edit on 2-7-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)

Try to divert air force 1

Originally posted by christina-66


What a game of cat and mouse this is turning out to be. The Bolivians deny there's any truth to the rumour - but France and Portugal won't even let him fly over their air space! What chance does this guy have?

He is no agent provocateur - he is a man with a conscience. And - if it's no biggie - cos we all knew what they were up to anyway - why the furore?

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The big deal for "them" is not that we all kind of suspect they are spying on our communications, which imo isn't that big of a deal all things considered. The big deal is that someone is confirming it, whether true or not, whether he knows anything real or not.

It's no big deal because if you think about it, before all these wonderful electronic communication devices that can work in reverse and be used to spy on us, we were being "watched" physically, by people.
You walk out your door with a friend and have a conversation on a bus, other people around you can hear you, how do you know your not being spied on for whatever reason?
Devices exist which allow me to sit quite a ways back from your home, or car, and by simply pointing it at a window(provided you are in the room or car), I can hear what is being said inside. This isn't new tech, it's old. Hell, they sell this stuff as kids toys these days.

The ability to spy on people has always been there. All that's happened is with the advancement of technology, the methods used have evolved along with the technology of communication.

And it does come down to better safe then sorry.
Sure a few attacks have gotten through the cracks.
But hundreds more, if not thousands more, have been prevented simply because technology allows us to not only communicate at great distances and in real time, but allow us to listen in.

If this guy really did go for a job where he can get as much access as possible, simply to leak sensitive information, then he deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent that the laws allow.
That is treason. And regardless of his motives, or how well intentioned he was or sincere in his actions, he still committed a crime. He committed his crimes in full knowledge that he was committing a criminal offense.

Why feel sorry for him?

He deserves everything he gets.

Originally posted by xavi1000

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by pigsy2400
reply to post by jarrodpace

 

what makes me angry is the fact that the US government and other nations say that snowden broke US law, technically yes this is correct, but then so is conducting secret spying on your own citizens and governments around the world,

Is diverting a plane carrying a sovereign nation's leader against the law?

edit on 2-7-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)

Try to divert air force 1

It will just land on the aircraft carrier instead, the one that is about to rain down hellfire because you tried to divert the plane.