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Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
Really?
You're wound too tight. Learn to relax.
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
Comparing homosexuality to the struggles of people of color is the most intellectually dishonest position a person can take on the matter. It's an insult. Ones sexuality is an innately private matter, unlike the color of ones skin, and the nature of ones sexuality is only known to that person and the people they choose to share it with.
Stop comparing gay rights to the civil rights movement, every time you do, you do people like Dr. King and Rosa Parks a great disservice.edit on 1-7-2013 by slowisfast because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
Again, all I've said is the lgbt movements comparison to the civil rights movement is wrong.
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
Comparing homosexuality to the struggles of people of color is the most intellectually dishonest position a person can take on the matter. It's an insult. Ones sexuality is an innately private matter, unlike the color of ones skin, and the nature of ones sexuality is only known to that person and the people they choose to share it with.
Stop comparing gay rights to the civil rights movement, every time you do, you do people like Dr. King and Rosa Parks a great disservice.edit on 1-7-2013 by slowisfast because: (no reason given)
I would argue that Dr. MLK jr. and Rosa Parks would be advocates for the equal treatment of homosexuals. I would argue that they would recognize a civil rights struggle, despite the fact that it isn't exactly the same as their own. I would argue that they would be disappointed to find that people who respect the rights they gained could simply find another scapegoat to harm without feeling the obvious cognitive dissonance simply by saying "it's not the same." I would argue that they would challenge you to prove how it's significantly different - and if you say "gays weren't treated as badly as blacks" I'm positive they would have some historical citations predating African slavery in the US to prove you wrong.edit on 1-7-2013 by HairlessApe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by HairlessApe
You're missing the point. Being gay has little to nothing to do with it. Being loud, obnoxious, attention seeking and rude have everything to do with it. It's kinda like how most people try to avoid loud obnoxious drunk people and don't particularly feel comfortable around them. Of course the difference is, the loud drunk obnoxious people don't get to label people as intolerant and try to force people to like them. (ok, maybe some do )
Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by HairlessApe
Well, considering this is an open discussion forum then I would say opinions DO matter. You're just mad that people have ones that differ from your own. We see this a lot around here and it's nothing new. Person A says something person B doesn't agree with. Person B then has a tantrum and accuses person A of being "intolerant" and "hateful".
*Yawn* Welcome to ATS, now take a Xanax.
And edit for PS: Yes acting rude is being rude, even gays are perfectly capable. No-one's sexuality gives them a pass to act rude.edit on 1-7-2013 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by HairlessApe
Well, considering this is an open discussion forum then I would say opinions DO matter. You're just mad that people have ones that differ from your own. We see this a lot around here and it's nothing new. Person A says something person B doesn't agree with. Person B then has a tantrum and accuses person A of being "intolerant" and "hateful".
*Yawn* Welcome to ATS, now take a Xanax.
And edit for PS: Yes acting rude is being rude, even gays are perfectly capable. No-one's sexuality gives them a pass to act rude.edit on 1-7-2013 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)
No, I didn't mean "is acting rude rude." I meant to ask "does acting in a way that you deem 'flamboyant' make you rude?" Why?
And no, I don't have to respect your opinion. We're talking about fact, so go ahead and share all the opinion you like, but if you're unable to defend your position then I have no obligation to respect what you say, nor does anyone else. Common misconception.
So people are rude because of the way they act?
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
It's fairly obvious, to me, but I can see how someone can get confused.
Superficially they are the same in the sense that they desire to end intolerance towards their particular groups but the core of the two movements are vastly different.
Racial identity is inherent and obvious, outwardly projected. One's sexuality, while also inherent, is not outwardly projected and therefore unknown until made so. The civil rights movement was about so much more. Slavery, violence, poverty, segregated communities, lack of education, generational disadvantage because of skin color. The civil rights movement was carving out a path of opportunity so the next generation, their sons and daughters, didn't have to go through what they went through.
To compare that to what the LGBT movement is about is not acceptable, to me. I understand how some comparisons can be made but, at their core, they're two completely different things. The fact that Don't Ask Don't Tell even existed is testament to that.
Plus, African Americans, at a 2-1 margin, don't see it like you do.
www.rljcompanies.com... ge-of-Obama_2013.pdf
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
I surely couldn't just tell you about all the black folks I know that kinda giggle at the parallels the LGBT community tries to portray. Your mind is made up. You're a gay white dude that wants so badly to try and have your plight equal to that of African Americans in this country that you'll make up reason to feel they are the same.
Get over yourself. You're gay, so what, no one cares but you.
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
See, I assumed you were gay and you assumed I'm hateful!
We're both asses!
But seriously though, you're dead wrong. You're a straight dude and you're doing more to hurt the cause than you are helping it.edit on 1-7-2013 by slowisfast because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
See, I assumed you were gay and you assumed I'm hateful!
We're both asses!
But seriously though, you're dead wrong. You're a straight dude and you're doing more to hurt the cause than you are helping it.edit on 1-7-2013 by slowisfast because: (no reason given)
Right. I should probably hop on the "gays aren't important" bandwagon with you. We can share our blatantly biased "research" papers with each other and play banjo while we secretly yearn to touch each others asses.
Originally posted by slowisfast
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by slowisfast
reply to post by HairlessApe
See, I assumed you were gay and you assumed I'm hateful!
We're both asses!
But seriously though, you're dead wrong. You're a straight dude and you're doing more to hurt the cause than you are helping it.edit on 1-7-2013 by slowisfast because: (no reason given)
Right. I should probably hop on the "gays aren't important" bandwagon with you. We can share our blatantly biased "research" papers with each other and play banjo while we secretly yearn to touch each others asses.
Who said gays aren't important, Ape? I know I didn't.
You've made all sorts of assumptions and attributed all sorts of horrible things to me that I, most definitely, not say. Do you do this intentionally or is it just because you really don't have anything worthwhile to say? Either way it's a bad look and fairly obvious to anyone who took the time to read through this thread.